Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #5

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  • #181
Putin has enacted a law that is punishable by up to 15 years in prison ... Russian prisons ... for any counter-war commentary, protests etc. Some will still take up the mantle and the risk; most will not. I wouldn't classify them as 'sheeples' either. Just a very different response from the citizens of Ukraine who are all-in in this fight for their very existence.

Saw a pic the other day of a couple of elderly ladies dressed all in blue and bright yellow, the colours of the Ukrainian flag, riding either the bus or subway in Moscow. Silent protest, Awesome. Next Putin will be enacting a law banning anyone from wearing the colours yellow and blue.

It's a disgrace, stripping people from their rights to speak out, suppressing and scaring people off. But this was to be expected from a narcissistic dictator.

I saw that picture too....yes, great. It's a petty I can't find it now.

Is this the one?

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Hananya Naftali

Meanwhile in Moscow: A Russian woman wearing the colors of the Ukrainian flag in the underground metro.
 
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  • #182
DPG Media Privacy Gate

With the national day of action of Giro555, the Netherlands has raised an amount of more than 106 million euros for Ukraine. This was announced in the TV program Samen in Actie voor Oekraïne <together in action for Ukraine>, which was broadcast on NPO 1, RTL 4 and SBS 6. A total of more than 2.2 million people watched the broadcast.

Several radio and television stations took part in the day of action. In addition, the cabinet has added another 15 million euros, Minister Liesje Schreinemacher (Foreign Trade and Development Cooperation) announced. With the proceeds, aid organizations provide emergency aid such as shelter, medical care and clean drinking water to affected Ukrainians.
 
  • #183
Shell is closing all his gas stations in Russia. Just heard this on the national Dutch radio (source ANP, general dutch press agency)
 
  • #184
March 8, 2022
 
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The number of refugees fleeing Ukraine could reach 2 million by Wednesday, the UNHCR said Tuesday. Russia has opened "humanitarian corridors" to evacuate civilians from the capital Kyiv as well as Cherhihiv, Sumy, Kharkiv and Mariupol, the Interfax news agency quoted the Russian defence ministry as saying on Tuesday.

  • Russia’s defence ministry said it would open humanitarian corridors from 0700 GMT Tuesday, subject to Ukraine’s approval, listing routes from Kyiv as well as the cities of Mariupol, Kharkiv and Sumy – all of which have been under heavy attack.
  • The number of refugees fleeing Ukraine could reach 2 million by Wednesday, UNHCR head Filippo Grandi said Tuesday.
  • Ukraine did not initially respond to the offer, with President Volodymyr Zelensky instead accusing Moscow’s troops of scuppering evacuation efforts, mining roads and destroying buses meant to carry people to safety.
  • Zelensky broadcast his Monday night address from his office in central Kyiv, a first since Russia invaded. “I’m not afraid of anyone,” he said.
  • Kyiv on Monday rejected a Russian offer to allow Ukrainians to escape via humanitarian corridors but only to Russia or Belarus. French President Emmanuel Macron called the offer “hypocritical” and criticised the “cynicism” exhibited by Moscow. <confirming the earlier outlets from the French government that Macron's phone call didn't establish the evacuations?>
  • Russia on Monday boycotted a hearing at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague at which Ukraine asked for a provisional measure ordering Russia to immediately halt the invasion.
  • Russia continued its assault on several Ukrainian cities on Monday. There was fighting in the Kyiv suburb of Irpin, the southern port city of Mariupol has been under continuous bombardment and there was heavy fighting for control of the strategic Mykolayiv airport in the south.
  • Local officials said Ukrainian forces on Monday had retaken control of the northeastern town of Chuhuiv.
  • More than 1.7 million people have fled Ukraine since the invasion began on February 24, according to the UN. The UN Security Council is set to hold a meeting on Monday to discuss the unfolding humanitarian crisis. <the meeting where the Russian representative said Ukraine is shelling itself :mad:>
Live: The first convey of refugees prepares to leave Sumy via humanitarian corridor
 
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  • #187
What professionals? Because so far it's been mostly carnage and violence against innocent civilians. What did the family dog ever do to Putin to deserve being blown up :(

Also adding that Trudeaus' involvement is making me nervous as a Canadian. JMO.
May I respectfully ask why Trudeaus’ involvement is making you nervous as I don’t understand. Or is it because Putin will have you on his retaliatory list ?
 
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How is this a deal at all? These are the exact same demands Russia made before they invaded Ukraine, decimated cities, and murdered countless women and children.

Okay… so where does it end? Capitulation is a form of positive reinforcement. It’s why you never agree to the demands of a blackmailer — it only ups the ante.




So many things are going on and it's easy to advocate for war, but what if the people who are dying don't want to die for a cause others feel is just?
 
  • #190
So many things are going on and it's easy to advocate for war, but what if the people who are dying don't want to die for a cause others feel is just?

Sorry, I don't get your response (at least not on the post you are reacting to) Can you elaborate?
 
  • #191
Soon my garden will show (coincidental, because I always loved the combination) her colors.....grape hyacinth plant, blue and daffodils, yellow.
 
  • #192
So many things are going on and it's easy to advocate for war, but what if the people who are dying don't want to die for a cause others feel is just?

The people who are dying ARE already fighting for a war they feel is just (their very existence and country) and by the comments coming from other nations, they are fully backing the Ukrainians in their fight in this 'just' war.

Apparently Germany though may value Russian Oil as higher value than Ukrainian lives or their Ukrainian nation. That's abhorrent.
 
  • #193
Soon my garden will show (coincidental, because I always loved the combination) her colors.....grape hyacinth plant, blue and daffodils, yellow.

Please place a sunflower in there as well ... Ukraine's national flower.
 
  • #194
Please place a sunflower in there as well ... Ukraine's national flower.

I will...but it will take a while before it blooms. Hoping all has settled down by then.
 
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The people who are dying ARE already fighting for a war they feel is just (their very existence and country) and by the comments coming from other nations, they are fully backing the Ukrainians in their fight in this 'just' war.

Apparently Germany though may value Russian Oil as higher value than Ukrainian lives or their Ukrainian nation. That's abhorrent.

So agree, every country has the right to freedom and nobody should just come in kill people and take their freedom like that. Blackmail them to stop fighting so Russia can just grab Ukraine.
It is morally wrong to sit by and think it’s okay because it doesn’t affect me IMO.
As European,Europe is my home and Ukraine is my neighbour and I want them to have a free country without Russia telling them what to do. They deserve what other countries have..home and freedom.
 
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The people who are dying ARE already fighting for a war they feel is just (their very existence and country) and by the comments coming from other nations, they are fully backing the Ukrainians in their fight in this 'just' war.

Apparently Germany though may value Russian Oil as higher value than Ukrainian lives or their Ukrainian nation. That's abhorrent.

It's complicated...I don't think you can say one on one they (we as Europeans) don't value Ukrainians lives.

There are roughly 6 reasons why Europe will find it difficult to get rid of Russian gas in the short term.

The continent is dependent on Russian gas
The European Union depends on Russia for about 40% of its gas consumption . By 2021, Russia will have sold about $100 billion worth of oil and gas to Europe, estimates William Jackson, an economist at Capital Economics.

The dependence on Russian gas is relatively high, especially in countries such as Bulgaria, Germany and Italy. The Netherlands is estimated to get about 11 percent of its gas from Russia.




Germany relies on Russian gas
Germany, Europe's largest economy, depends on Russia for more than half of its gas. This is partly due to the replacement of nuclear energy by natural gas.


Partly for this reason, a new gas pipeline has been laid from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea. This concerns the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which is an addition to the existing Nord Stream 1 pipeline.

Although the new gas pipeline is finished, it is not yet in use. Following Russia's recognition of the rebel republics of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine, Germany suspended the approval process for the controversial gas pipeline .

Russian gas is relatively cheap
Analysts say the increased European imports of Russian gas since Russia's invasion of Ukraine is due to market factors driving up the price of non-Russian gas.

An energy analyst at BloombergNEF , Stefan Ulrich, says non-Russian gas prices are "far above the likely selling price for many Gazprom import contracts".

Georg Erdmann, the former chair of the Energy Systems Department at the Technical University of Berlin, told CNBC that the gas industry "assumes that Russia is a fairly reliable commercial partner" that honors its long-term contracts.

European politicians do not want to chase their citizens on excessive energy costs
Europeans have had a winter in which gas prices have skyrocketed and household energy bills have risen sharply. European governments are now wary not to frighten their voters with the specter of further price hikes.

Also read: Energy bill will almost double in 2022… but that only applies if you calculate with variable prices

In addition, Ursula von der Leyen, the President of the European Commission, has insisted that the EU would be able to cope with a possible interruption in gas imports.

Europe is slow to switch to renewable energy
Although the European Union wants to make more use of renewable energy, the expansion is not moving fast enough to reduce dependence on Russian gas already.

According to the European Union's Directorate-General for Energy, a quarter of the economic bloc's energy comes from natural gas. The rest comes from oil (32 percent), solid fossil fuels such as coal (11 percent) and renewable energy and biofuels (18 percent).

Tim Schittekatte, a scientist with the MIT Energy Initiative, told CNBC , “There is just not enough grid capacity right now to take in more renewable energy in some parts of Europe”.

Russian gas helps European crops to grow
Europe uses gas to make important fertilizer ingredients, such as ammonium nitrate and urea. A disruption in gas supply thus also affects the continent's ability to grow crops and feed the population.

Yes, complicated.....
 
  • #199

So, evacuations have started ......


" .... on Tuesday, video posted by Ukrainian officials showed buses with people moving along a snowy road from the eastern city of Sumy and yellow buses with a red cross on them heading toward the southern port of Mariupol.

“The Ukrainian city of Sumy was given a green corridor, the first stage of evacuation began,” the Ukrainian state communications agency tweeted.

In one of the most desperate cities, Mariupol, an estimated 200,000 people — nearly half the population of 430,000 — hoped to flee."
 
  • #200
omg - awful for the families and the poor dogs are starving to death so can't blame them

A steady rain of shells and rockets fell on other population centers, including the Kyiv suburb of Bucha, where the mayor reported heavy artillery fire.

“We can’t even gather up the bodies because the shelling from heavy weapons doesn’t stop day or night,” Mayor Anatol Fedoruk said. “Dogs are pulling apart the bodies on the city streets. It’s a nightmare.”


People flee embattled Ukrainian cities along safe corridors
 
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