Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #7

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Lawmakers reject Russian official's request to return Alaska: 'Never, ever, ever'

So, this is “interesting.” A Russian official is asking for Alaska to be returned to Russia.

Every part of the globe belonged somewhere else at some time. I wonder how the world will look if we start swapping territories. Most places at one time belonged to many, many different regimes and empires throughout history. Who gets ownership?

Imagine the 13 original US states going back to England. Then England back to the Angles and Saxons. And so on, all over the world.

But, this Russian is actually serious.
 
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Russia conceals deaths of Crimean soldiers in Ukraine war amid overcrowded morgues | Euromaidan Press
Crimea resists
Several small local protests against the war in Ukraine have taken place in Crimea amid the repressive occupation regime. The ability to obtain information from within the peninsula is very limited ... Participants of those protests were fined or arrested.

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Political persecutions in Crimea are ongoing
On 16 March 2022, Crimean Tatar human rights activist Abdureshyt Dzhepparov was arrested after the search conducted in his house by the occupying law enforcement agencies. A few days ago, Mr. Dzhepparov told in an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet LB.ua about the devastating casualties of the Russian army that are obvious for Crimea residents (full morgues and overcrowded hospitals).

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Russia conceals deaths of Crimeans fighting on its side
The number of Crimean residents killed as a result of participating in the occupying army is growing. While Russia continues to hide the real figures, instances appear on social media.

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Analyses of information from open sources indicate reports of a series of funerals all over Crimea: on March 14 in Kerch, on March 12 in Sevastopol and Alushta, on March 10 in Sevastopol (two persons), on March 9 in Sevastopol, on March 7 and March 5. These are residents of the peninsula of Crimea, Ukrainian citizens who illegally obtained Russian citizenship after the beginning of the occupation.

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Wounded Russian soldiers are sent to Crimea
In a previous briefing, we reported that hospitals in Crimea, especially in its northern part, are packed with wounded Russian soldiers. We are receiving more and more confirmation of this. Sources in the peninsula in Simferopol have noted the characteristic odour of dead bodies, presumably coming from train cars that are stationed at the railway station.

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Key concerns of Crimeans
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Among the key requests are issues related to crossing the border to third states due to the problem of documentation (currently, the Mission jointly with the MFA are working on solving this problem) and how to avoid conscription and mobilization by the Russian armed forces. Foreign fighters are addressing the Mission on how to join the international battalion of the Ukrainian armed forces.

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War crimes in Crimea
War crimes and crimes against humanity are taking place not only in mainland Ukraine but also in occupied Crimea. Among these crimes are:
  • Conscription and mobilization of residents of Crimea to the ranks of the Russian armed forces and other military formations, in particular for the purpose of participating in hostilities in mainland Ukraine;
  • Propaganda of war and violence against Ukraine, in particular with the use of the educational system in Crimea;
  • Persecution of Ukrainian citizens, including activists, Crimean Tatars and Ukrainians, journalists in Crimea in the context of the armed aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine.
 
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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 2 hrs ago
Air raid alerts go off in almost every region of Ukraine. Sirens have been activated in the Sumy, Mykolaiv, Ternopil, Poltava, Kirovohrad, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Kyiv, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Dnipropetrovsk, Rivne, Volyn, Cherkasy, Zhytomyr, Vinnytsia, Odesa oblasts.

NEXTA on Twitter - 1 hr ago
The car of the #Russian Embassy in #TelAviv.
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NEXTA on Twitter
#Switzerland is ready to mediate or to hold negotiations. This was stated by the president of the confederation, Ignazio Cassis, speaking at a rally in #Bern under the slogan "Solidarity with #Ukraine, stop the war!"

NEXTA on Twitter
#Australian authorities have announced that they will stop exporting alumina and aluminum ores to #Russia as part of new sanctions over the military invasion of #Ukraine. Supplies from #Australia account for about 20 percent of Russia's total alumina needs.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 21 min ago
Three people killed following Russian attacks in Rubizhne. Luhansk Oblast Governor Serhiy Haidai says that 24 houses and apartment buildings were destroyed in Rubizhne and Severodonetsk over the past 24 hours. 7 people were evacuated and 3 people killed, including 2 children.
 
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Lawmakers reject Russian official's request to return Alaska: 'Never, ever, ever'

So, this is “interesting.” A Russian official is asking for Alaska to be returned to Russia.

Every part of the globe belonged somewhere else at some time. I wonder how the world will look if we start swapping territories. Most places at one time belonged to many, many different regimes and empires throughout history. Who gets ownership?

Imagine the 13 original US states going back to England. Then England back to the Angles and Saxons. And so on, all over the world.

But, this Russian is actually serious.

With such demands, Alaska and the Silicone valley back to Russia, well, the only way is to play the bureaucracy. Ask to put it on paper. Redirect them to Spain, as when Rosanov disembarked in California, it was Spanish and had a Spanish governor. Spain, as former Roman colony, would football the request to Italy. Italians, as descendants of Aeneus, would send it to Turkey. There, it would stop.
 
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March 19, 2022
Neil Hauer(@NeilPHauer)
The people we watched crawl out of the rubble today told us their relatives in Moscow didn't believe them. Videos of their destroyed home were met with 'it's a fake' or 'Nazis did it.' *Every* bond between Ukrainians & Russians - familial, cultural, historical - is being broken

It's unreal to me that relatives would even think that their own family would lie to them about such things!? For what purpose do they think?

When the Berlin Wall came down everyone was so hopeful. When Russia started to allow more of the world into theirs, it was all so hopeful. There were always those that looked to cheat within their new capitalism but I was hopeful about not having the cold war attitude anymore.

The reality now is the KGB lives and is bigger than ever. It's back to Stalinism, death and destruction.

AJMO and feeling very sad for it all

There is something in it. When the Communist party expired overnight, the only organized structure in the country was its “avenging sword”, the KGB. Silently, it took over. Ask where the oligarchs came from? But the problem is not even this, but the vertical structure all USSR bureaucratic institutions.
What is different in Ukraine? Probably the fact that the Western part, never Russian-speaking, former part of Austro-Hungary, contributed into getting rid of old bureaucrats faster?
 
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Putin's self concept does not allow for failure or weakness. He despises such things" says Ken Dekleva. "A cornered, weakened Putin is a more dangerous Putin. It's sometimes better let the bear run out of the cage and back to the forest."[QUOTE/]


SBM
This is why I have such mixed emotions about what we in the US and other democracies should be doing to help Ukraine.

I definitely absolutely positively know that establishing a no-fly zone over Ukraine will lead to shooting down Russians and then God knows what.

But I also feel that it is equally true that Putin despises weakness and he sees the West as weak. We are sanctioning this and that but Ukrainians are still being slaughtered every moment. Hospitals, schools, the elderly, no one is safe.

And of course it is a fact, not my opinion, that Neville Chamberlain did not want to stir Hitler up any further so he ignored much of what the Nazis were doing. It was Churchill who stood up to Hitler, but by then millions of innocents had been slaughtered, 6 million just for being Jewish.

I also know very well that “The Untouchables” is just a movie. Actors reading from a script.

But IMO there’s a reason that some movie lines resonate and have staying power, so I’ll just leave this dialogue from that movie here:



Malone : [talking privately in a church] You said you wanted to get Capone. Do you really wanna get him? You see what I'm saying is, what are you prepared to do?

Ness : Anything within the law.

Malone : And *then* what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they're not gonna give up the fight, until one of you is dead.

Ness : I want to get Capone! I don't know how to do it.

Malone : You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way! And that's how you get Capone. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?

1)The analogy is obvious, the West needs Churchill…really badly.

2) All downfall of Al Capone was based not on bravery of Mr. Ness, but on banal quid pro quo. No records of Al Capone’s earnings existed, except for one place, the dog racetrack. Whose owner, Ed O’Hare, was willing to produce them. In exchange for letting his golden boy (but, a gangster’s son), Butch O’Hare, apply to Annapolis. (Butch turned out a true hero, and O’Hare airport is named after him). But - it seems that in similar situations, horses are usually traded, and it is not ideology, something else.
 
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With such demands, Alaska and the Silicone valley back to Russia, well, the only way is to play the bureaucracy. Ask to put it on paper. Redirect them to Spain, as when Rosanov disembarked in California, it was Spanish and had a Spanish governor. Spain, as former Roman colony, would football the request to Italy. Italians, as descendants of Aeneus, would send it to Turkey. There, it would stop.

I think russia belongs to scandinavia and Sweden, there is no way the vikings didn´t go there.
 
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From the Institute for the Study of War:

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-19

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 19

Frederick W. Kagan, George Barros, and Kateryna Stepanenko

Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war. That campaign aimed to conduct airborne and mechanized operations to seize Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, and other major Ukrainian cities to force a change of government in Ukraine. That campaign has culminated. Russian forces continue to make limited advances in some parts of the theater but are very unlikely to be able to seize their objectives in this way. The doctrinally sound Russian response to this situation would be to end this campaign, accept a possibly lengthy operational pause, develop the plan for a new campaign, build up resources for that new campaign, and launch it when the resources and other conditions are ready. The Russian military has not yet adopted this approach. It is instead continuing to feed small collections of reinforcements into an ongoing effort to keep the current campaign alive. We assess that that effort will fail.

The ultimate fall of Mariupol is increasingly unlikely to free up enough Russian combat power to change the outcome of the initial campaign dramatically. Russian forces concentrated considerable combat power around Mariupol drawn from the 8th Combined Arms Army to the east and from the group of Russian forces in Crimea to the west. Had the Russians taken Mariupol quickly or with relatively few losses they would likely have been able to move enough combat power west toward Zaporizhiya and Dnipro to threaten those cities. The protracted siege of Mariupol is seriously weakening Russian forces on that axis, however. The confirmed death of the commander of the Russian 150th Motorized Rifle Division likely indicates the scale of the damage Ukrainian defenders are inflicting on those formations. The block-by-block fighting in Mariupol itself is costing the Russian military time, initiative, and combat power. If and when Mariupol ultimately falls the Russian forces now besieging it may not be strong enough to change the course of the campaign dramatically by attacking to the west.

Russian forces in the south appear to be focusing on a drive toward Kryvyi Rih, presumably to isolate and then take Zaporizhiya and Dnipro from the west but are unlikely to secure any of those cities in the coming weeks if at all. Kryvyi Rih is a city of more than 600,000 and heavily fortified according to the head of its military administration. Zaporizhiya and Dnipro are also large. The Russian military has been struggling to take Mariupol, smaller than any of them, since the start of the war with more combat power than it is currently pushing toward Kryvyi Rih. The Russian advance on that axis is thus likely to bog down as all other Russian advances on major cities have done.

The Russian military continues to commit small groups of reinforcements to localized fighting rather than concentrating them to launch new large-scale operations. Russia continues to commit units drawn from its naval infantry from all fleets, likely because those units are relatively more combat-ready than rank-and-file Russian regiments and brigades. The naval infantry belonging to the Black Sea Fleet is likely the largest single pool of ready reserve forces the Russian military has not yet committed. Much of that naval infantry has likely been embarked on amphibious landing ships off the Odesa coast since early in the war, presumably ready to land near Odesa as soon as Russian forces from Crimea secured a reliable ground line of communication (GLOC) from Crimea to Odesa. The likelihood that Russian forces from Crimea will establish such a GLOC in the near future is becoming remote, however, and the Russian military has apparently begun using elements of the Black Sea Fleet naval infantry to reinforce efforts to take Mariupol.

The culmination of the initial Russian campaign is creating conditions of stalemate throughout most of Ukraine. Russian forces are digging in around the periphery of Kyiv and elsewhere, attempting to consolidate political control over areas they currently occupy, resupplying and attempting to reinforce units in static positions, and generally beginning to set conditions to hold in approximately their current forward positions for an indefinite time. Maxar imagery of Russian forces digging trenches and revetments in Kyiv Oblast over the past several days supports this assessment.[1] Comments by Duma members about forcing Ukraine to surrender by exhaustion in May could reflect a revised Russian approach to ending this conflict on terms favorable to Moscow.

Stalemate will likely be very violent and bloody, especially if it protracts. Stalemate is not armistice or ceasefire. It is a condition in war in which each side conducts offensive operations that do not fundamentally alter the situation. Those operations can be very damaging and cause enormous casualties. The World War I battles of the Somme, Verdun, and Passchendaele were all fought in conditions of stalemate and did not break the stalemate. If the war in Ukraine settles into a stalemate condition Russian forces will continue to bomb and bombard Ukrainian cities, devastating them and killing civilians, even as Ukrainian forces impose losses on Russian attackers and conduct counter-attacks of their own. The Russians could hope to break Ukrainians’ will to continue fighting under such circumstances by demonstrating Kyiv’s inability to expel Russian forces or stop their attacks even if the Russians are demonstrably unable to take Ukraine’s cities. Ukraine’s defeat of the initial Russian campaign may therefore set conditions for a devastating protraction of the conflict and a dangerous new period testing the resolve of Ukraine and the West. Continued and expanded Western support to Ukraine will be vital to seeing Ukraine through that new period.

Key Takeaways:

  • We now assess that the initial Russian campaign to seize Ukraine’s capital and major cities and force regime change has failed;
  • Russian forces continue efforts to restore momentum to this culminated campaign, but those efforts will likely also fail;
  • Russian troops will continue trying to advance to within effective artillery range of the center of Kyiv, but prospects for their success are unclear;
  • The war will likely descend into a phase of bloody stalemate that could last for weeks or months;
  • Russia will expand efforts to bombard Ukrainian civilians in order to break Ukrainians’ will to continue fighting (at which the Russians will likely fail);
  • The most dangerous current Russian advance is from Kherson north toward Kryvyi Rih in an effort to isolate Zaporizhiya and Dnipro from the west. Russian forces are unlikely to be able to surround or take Kryvyi Rih in the coming days, and may not be able to do so at all without massing much larger forces for the effort than they now have available on that axis;
  • The Russians appear to have abandoned plans to attack Odesa at least in the near term.
 
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One of the lions on a stopover in Poland

'Ruim 4000 mensen gevlucht uit Marioepol' • '115 slachtoffers geborgen in Mykolajiv'

20 HOURS AGO
Two lions and two tigers brought to the Netherlands from Ukraine
After a long journey through Ukraine, Poland, Germany and the Netherlands, two lions and two tigers arrived safely at the end of the morning at the shelter of the Lion Foundation in the North Holland village of Anna Pavlovna.

It concerns two lion males aged 3.5 and 1.5 years, a tiger male of 6 months and a tigress of 5 years. According to Robert Kruijff of the Lion Foundation, the tigress in particular is traumatized by the situation in Ukraine. "She is thin, sick and very afraid of people," he told NH Nieuws .

The four animals come from a zoo near Kharkov, in eastern Ukraine. Remarkably, there had been plans for three quarters of a year to take them in outside Ukraine, because there was no money left to take care of them properly. But the war has accelerated those plans.

"There is no more power and so the heating goes out. Not only are the animals hypothermic and hungry, so are the caretakers," Kruijff said earlier . He sent a special car to Ukraine to pick up the animals.

They will first be quarantined in Anna Pavlovna for a month. They are then prepared with a hunting simulator for 'relocation' to a reserve in South Africa.
 
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Don't know,if this posted before...but nevertheless important ,imo

"There is no longer a railway connection between Ukraine and Belarus, so the Russian occupiers will not be able to deliver Russian equipment by rail from Belarus.

Source: Oleksandr Kamyshin, head of Ukrzaliznytsia [Ukrainian Railways], on Nastoyaschee Vremya (TV channel created by Radio Svoboda and Voice of America)."
BBM

There is no longer a railway connection between Ukraine and Belarus - head of Ukrzaliznytsia
 
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Don't know,if this posted before...but nevertheless important ,imo

"There is no longer a railway connection between Ukraine and Belarus, so the Russian occupiers will not be able to deliver Russian equipment by rail from Belarus.

Source: Oleksandr Kamyshin, head of Ukrzaliznytsia [Ukrainian Railways], on Nastoyaschee Vremya (TV channel created by Radio Svoboda and Voice of America)."
BBM

There is no longer a railway connection between Ukraine and Belarus - head of Ukrzaliznytsia

Thanks for this. I saw something about this last night, I can't remember if it was here or not. But something got lost in translation and I couldn't figure out who destroyed what. JMO
 
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Question. Just an opinion survey here. With regards to mediation, do you feel outside leaders attempting to mediate between Russia and Ukraine have helped, hurt, or had no impact?

I'm feeling like it's a fun distraction to Putin and not sure if it's hurt or had no impact.

Just curious what everyone else thinks.
 
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Thanks for this. I saw something about this last night, I can't remember if it was here or not. But something got lost in translation and I couldn't figure out who destroyed what. JMO
Yeah,it was posted on twitter - 18 hours ago..
Meanwhile , Belarus is heading near the Polish border!
Belarus moves troops toward the Polish border ahead of a possible attack on western Ukraine

<Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) Tweeted: Belarus moves troops toward the Polish border ahead of a possible attack on western Ukraine. Should Poland mobilize? It would: 1. Deter a RU-BEL strike on the Suwałki Gap 2. Make Belarus think twice about invading UA, leaving their own border vulnerable>

https://t.co/YBSgZqzcj2 https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1505491880280309761?s=20&t=XMqsCs5rEbGUurSl8xHzgg
 
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