Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #7

[Charlot123]

NEXTA live (Ukrainian telegram channel, in Russian)

Kazakhstan is moving away from Russia

“Timur Suleimenov, First Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of Kazakhstan, spoke about the sanctions and the situation in Ukraine. We publish excerpts from his interview with the Euractiv portal:

Kazakhstan will not be a tool to circumvent sanctions against Russia by the US and the EU. We will comply with the sanctions. Although we are part of an economic union with Russia, Belarus and other countries, we are also part of the international community. Therefore, the last thing we want is for secondary US and EU sanctions to be applied to Kazakhstan.

Yes, we will continue to trade with Russia. We will continue to invest in Russia and attract investments for Russia: our economy cannot do otherwise. But we will do our best to control the sanctioned goods.

Russia decided to introduce a law banning the word "war". They call it a special military operation. But in Kazakhstan we call it the way it is, unfortunately.

Of course, Russia wanted us to be more on their side. But Kazakhstan respects the territorial integrity of Ukraine. We have not recognized and do not recognize either the situation with Crimea or the situation with Donbass, because the UN does not recognize them.”

 

[Charlot123]

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Sorry...I read through the intro a few times...but I can't grasp it...what is this list in Layman's terms?

this is the price list for weapons that might be captured from the Russian army and delivered to Ukraine. NB: no matter who delivers them, Ukrainians or the citizens of Russian federation!

 

[Bit of hope]

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this is the price list for weapons captured from the Russian army and delivered to Ukraine

Thanks I totally get it now. <3. Interesting policy....now the moral of Russian soldiers is tainting..Far more then just a few stolen dollar bills and jewelry from war victims (it's disgusting)

 

[Charlot123]

Thanks I totally get it now. <3. Interesting policy....now the moral of Russian soldiers is tainting..Far more then just a few stolen dollar bills and jewelry from war victims (it's disgusting)

Mostly, they loot because the plan was to finish “special operation” in five days, and they ran out of food and are hungry.

Hungry, angry, the morale is down… many are young and were just drafted…rather than kill Ukrainians or risk bein killed… say, if there are four people in a tank, and they saw several other tanks destroyed… they can deliver the tank, get the money and either get captured and fed, or maybe leave Ukraine to Poland? I mean, it is not their war.

(Wanted to joke that for Russian weapons, Zelinskyy should have asked directly Shoigu the corrupted, but no one knows where the dude is now).

 

[cujenn81]

Ukrainian American school custodian in GA stunned by student artwork honoring Ukraine

Ukrainian American school custodian in GA stunned by student artwork honoring Ukraine

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That was so sweet my eyes leaked a little!

 

[cujenn81]

Not happening just in Russia.

Jmo

No, it happens everywhere. No country is immune.

 

[sunshineray]

Well, in that country, since 1934, when the 17th congress of the Communist Party took place, whoever had the power, could draw the numbers. In 1934, more voices were cast for Kirov than for Stalin, but the head of the counting committee, Kaganovich, was Stalin’s nominee…

So while during the war, the country usually clusters around its leader, I can’t imagine that young people support Putin. Maybe they try to not participate in the polls.

I surely hope the younger Russians are more informed and more open to free-flowing information. Ir's really the only way to change minds.

 

[sunshineray]

Stalin and Putin are cut from the same cloth IMO.

"...the Soviet elimination of a social class, the kulaks (who were higher-income farmers), and the subsequent killer famine among all Ukrainian peasants – as well as the notorious 1937 order No. 00447 that called for the mass execution and exile of “socially harmful elements” as “enemies of the people” – were, in fact, genocide."...

..."In the process of collectivization, for example, 30,000 kulaks were killed directly, mostly shot on the spot. About 2 million were forcibly deported to the Far North and Siberia.

They were called “enemies of the people,” as well as swine, dogs, cockroaches, scum, vermin, filth, garbage, half animals, apes. Activists promoted murderous slogans: “We will exile the kulak by the thousand when necessary – shoot the kulak breed.” “We will make soap of kulaks.” “Our class enemies must be wiped off the face of the earth.”

One Soviet report noted that gangs “drove the dekulakized naked in the streets, beat them, organized drinking bouts in their houses, shot over their heads, forced them to dig their own graves, undressed women and searched them, stole valuables, money, etc.”...

..."We will never know how many millions Stalin killed. “And yet somehow Stalin gets a pass,” Ian Frazier wrote in a recent New Yorker article about the gulags. “People know he was horrible, but he has not yet been declared horrible officially.”...

..."One of Stalin’s colleagues recalled the dictator reviewing an arrest list (really, a death list) and muttering to himself: “Who’s going to remember all this riff-raff in ten or twenty years’ time? No one. … Who remembers the names now of the boyars Ivan the Terrible got rid of? No one. … The people had to know he was getting rid of all his enemies. In the end, they all got what they deserved.”...

Stalin killed millions. A Stanford historian answers the question, was it genocide?


..."By supporting the image of Stalin as a hero to the Russian people, however, Borshchev said that Putin, a veteran member of the KGB, the former Russian secret police and intelligence agency, and who served as director of its successor agency, the FSB, is working to rehabilitate the KGB’s image and dampen criticism of his own draconian crackdown on political dissent."...

“Putin is pragmatic. He knows that Stalin was an executioner, but he needs him now to save his own political career,” Borshchev said."...

‘The best master’: Russia's new Stalin Center evokes pride, revulsion

And so children are taught that Stalin, a butcher who killed millions, is a national hero. Putin has Russians believing he's a national hero for murdering Ukranian civilians and Russia's own youth sent to war as basically cannon fodder. The circle remains unbroken. AJMO

 

[Sundog]

Stalin and Putin are cut from the same cloth IMO.

"...the Soviet elimination of a social class, the kulaks (who were higher-income farmers), and the subsequent killer famine among all Ukrainian peasants – as well as the notorious 1937 order No. 00447 that called for the mass execution and exile of “socially harmful elements” as “enemies of the people” – were, in fact, genocide."...

..."In the process of collectivization, for example, 30,000 kulaks were killed directly, mostly shot on the spot. About 2 million were forcibly deported to the Far North and Siberia.

They were called “enemies of the people,” as well as swine, dogs, cockroaches, scum, vermin, filth, garbage, half animals, apes. Activists promoted murderous slogans: “We will exile the kulak by the thousand when necessary – shoot the kulak breed.” “We will make soap of kulaks.” “Our class enemies must be wiped off the face of the earth.”

One Soviet report noted that gangs “drove the dekulakized naked in the streets, beat them, organized drinking bouts in their houses, shot over their heads, forced them to dig their own graves, undressed women and searched them, stole valuables, money, etc.”...

..."We will never know how many millions Stalin killed. “And yet somehow Stalin gets a pass,” Ian Frazier wrote in a recent New Yorker article about the gulags. “People know he was horrible, but he has not yet been declared horrible officially.”...

..."One of Stalin’s colleagues recalled the dictator reviewing an arrest list (really, a death list) and muttering to himself: “Who’s going to remember all this riff-raff in ten or twenty years’ time? No one. … Who remembers the names now of the boyars Ivan the Terrible got rid of? No one. … The people had to know he was getting rid of all his enemies. In the end, they all got what they deserved.”...

Stalin killed millions. A Stanford historian answers the question, was it genocide?


..."By supporting the image of Stalin as a hero to the Russian people, however, Borshchev said that Putin, a veteran member of the KGB, the former Russian secret police and intelligence agency, and who served as director of its successor agency, the FSB, is working to rehabilitate the KGB’s image and dampen criticism of his own draconian crackdown on political dissent."...

“Putin is pragmatic. He knows that Stalin was an executioner, but he needs him now to save his own political career,” Borshchev said."...

‘The best master’: Russia's new Stalin Center evokes pride, revulsion

And so children are taught that Stalin, a butcher who killed millions, is a national hero. Putin has Russians believing he's a national hero for murdering Ukranian civilians and Russia's own youth sent to war as basically cannon fodder. The circle remains unbroken. AJMO

Similar atrocities took place under Mao in the PRC. Both countries still have citizens who line up to see them as they both lay in state in their respective mausoleums in Moscow and Beijing.

 

[sunshineray]

Russia-Ukraine war latest: explosion at oil depot in Russia; battles being fought near Kyiv, says mayor – live | World news | The Guardian

3h ago 06:53
Speaking to reporters today, the Kremlin’s spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said the alleged Ukrainian strike on a Russian fuel depot in Belgorod does not create comfortable conditions to continue peace talks.

3h ago 07:16
Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said he could not confirm or deny Ukraine’s alleged involvement in a strike on a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod, Reuters reports.

"I can neither confirm nor reject the claim that Ukraine was involved in this simply because I do not possess all the military information."

3h ago 07:21
Around 2,000 evacuated civilians from the Ukrainian city of Mariupol besieged by Russian forces appear to be on their way to safety, according to reports from the city’s city council.

Several private cars joined 42 buses escorted by the Red Cross and Ukrainian emergency services vehicles from nearby Berdyansk to the safer Ukranian-held city of Zaporizhia, Mariupol city council’s Telegram channel posted on Friday, along with a photo and video of the convoy.

2h ago 07:56
The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, said he will tell Vladimir Putin that he and Volodymyr Zelenskiy need to take a step to address issues over Ukraine’s Donbas region and Crimea, Reuters reports.

Speaking to reporters in Istanbul, Erdoğan said he will hold a phone call with Putin at 1pm GMT and renew an offer to host the Russian and Ukrainian leaders for peace talks.

2h ago 08:11
The mayor of Chernihiv, Vladyslav Atroshenko, has accused Russia of shelling an oncology ward of a hospital in the northern Ukrainian city, days after Russia promised it would “drastically reduce” its military assault on Kyiv and Chernihiv.

"Some shells hit the regional hospital direct, and one of the buildings of the hospital, in fact the oncological unit, was completely destroyed. Three people sustained heavy injuries."

1h ago 08:37
The mayor of Kyiv, Vitaliy Klitschko, said “huge” battles are being fought to the north and east of Ukraine’s capital, Reuters reports.

Klitschko issued a warning to residents who have fled the city:

The risk of dying (in Kyiv) is pretty high, and that’s why my advice to anyone who wants to come back is: Please, take a little bit more time.

Kyiv’s regional governor said earlier today that Russian forces were pulling back in some areas around the capital but strengthening its positions in others.

It comes after an adviser to President Zelenskiy, Oleksiy Arestovych, said Ukrainian forces are pushing back Russian troops north-east and north-west of Kyiv.

49m ago 09:17
There’s been a strong diplomatic signal of Indian support for Russia today, with the news that as well as meeting foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, the trip of Russia’s foreign minister Sergie Lavrov to India has included a meeting with prime minister Narendra Modi. Modi has pointedly not met with any of the varying other foreign ministers who have visited India in the last couple of weeks while the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been progressing.

Snipped by me for focus...

"49m ago 09:17
There’s been a strong diplomatic signal of Indian support for Russia today, with the news that as well as meeting foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, the trip of Russia’s foreign minister Sergie Lavrov to India has included a meeting with prime minister Narendra Modi. Modi has pointedly not met with any of the varying other foreign ministers who have visited India in the last couple of weeks while the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been progressing."

Well this is very upsetting. Why not meet with everyone, only with Russian diplomat? Very off-balanced...maybe he's spoken to others who visited via video chats?

 

[sunshineray]

Similar atrocities took place under Mao in the PRC. Both countries still have citizens who line up to see them as they both lay in state in their respective mausoleums in Moscow and Beijing.

Yes and it's just unreal to me...Mao is the biggest mass murderer...IIRC neighborhood of 45 million?

 

[dotr]

Russian conscripts' complain of being 'thrown into the s**t with 1940s rifles that do not work'
Mar 31, 2022

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Similar atrocities took place under Mao in the PRC. Both countries still have citizens who line up to see them as they both lay in state in their respective mausoleums in Moscow and Beijing.

Stalin’s body wasn’t kept in the mausoleum for long. A few years after his death the USSR realised what a murderous swine he was and removed his body. Lenin is still there however, looking very waxy from what I recall.

O/t but Stalin was a handsome fella in his youth. Shame about the millions of deaths he was responsible for…

 

[sunshineray]

Russian conscripts' complain of being 'thrown into the s**t with 1940s rifles that do not work'
Mar 31, 2022

So are they saying their superiors said to them... "They said, die *******"...?!

 

[Cool Cats]

Russia threatens to fine Wikipedia if it doesn't …
Russia threatens to fine Wikipedia if it doesn't remove some details about the war

The Russian government is threatening to fine Wikipedia if it doesn't remove content that contradicts its narrative about the war in Ukraine.

Communications regulator Roskomnadzor announced on Thursday that it had asked the online encyclopedia to remove a page containing "unreliable socially significant materials, as well as other prohibited information" about its operations in Ukraine, according to an English translation. It accused the site of intentionally misinforming Russian users.

EUROPE
Are Russians able to get any real news about what's going in Ukraine?

It said it could fine Wikipedia up to 4 million rubles, or nearly $47,000, for failing to remove those materials, which are illegal under Russian law.

Russia enacted legislation last month that criminalizes war reporting that doesn't echo the Kremlin's version of events — including by calling it a war.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Stalin’s body wasn’t kept in the mausoleum for long. A few years after his death the USSR realised what a murderous swine he was and removed his body. Lenin is still there however, looking very waxy from what I recall.

O/t but Stalin was a handsome fella in his youth. Shame about the millions of deaths he was responsible for…

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I would bet there isn't much left of the original Lenin. *shudder*

JMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1509915712009158662?t=SGBsa7U9Fm7mdQysrF43wA&s=19

The second exchange of prisoners has just taken place.

86 Ukrainian captured servicemen are returning home. 15 of them are women,–Reintegration Minister, 18:15 EET Log into Facebook

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I would bet there isn't much left of the original Lenin. *shudder*

JMO

He looked pretty intact to me, from the neck up at least! No innards though, I guess. It is alleged that some want him replaced with a fake version, or to be buried properly, but the Kremlin has always refused.

 

[CSIDreamer]

He looked pretty intact to me, from the neck up at least! No innards though, I guess. It is alleged that some want him replaced with a fake version, or to be buried properly, but the Kremlin has always refused.

Why I said what I did.

Lenin's Body Improves with Age

 

[CoverMeCagney]

A Russian schoolteacher has been arrested after being reported to police by her pupils for making anti-war comments, according to local media.

The teenagers in the southern city of Penza are said to have recorded a conversation with Irina Gen, their English teacher, on 18 March.

They were apparently upset that a planned sports trip to the Czech Republic was not going ahead and asked Ms Gen for her opinion.

According to an alleged transcript of the conversation published by the Meduza website, she said it was right that the trip had been cancelled and that such things would continue until Russia "started behaving in a civilised way".

The 55-year-old compared the country to North Korea and "expressed a view of the war in Ukraine different from the official one", Meduza said.

It is thought Ms Gen could face a fine of up to $60,000 or a jail term of up to 10 years.

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