Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #8

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Evil men need to be exposed/recognized by their countries before they come to power to stop the chain. Easier said than done <3
RSBM
Ironically, it was Boris Yeltsin, the hero (to the west) who dissolved the Soviet Union and introduced new freedoms and capitalism, who chose Putin as his successsor. There's an unfathomable chain of events around that, IMO. Just to cite at random, was it Yeltsin's alcoholism that caused him to make such a foolish decision? Russia: Yeltsin & Putin -- A Portrait In Contrasts

Regardless, IMO events are set in motion, there's no seeing clearly the long-term future consequences, or creating some kind of perfect world leaders who will always do what we believe is right.

I think one mistake we make is to believe the old chestnut 'This is a war to end war", or even worse "to end all wars". How ridulous! IMO each generation forgets how weary and fed up with war the previous generation or two was, and are eager to take up arms again because 'this time' it's not like all the others before, and they're unable to realize, or care, that there will be future ones, as sure as winter comes round every year.

JMO
 
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Zelensky meets security leaders to discuss Mariupol situation

"The main topic is Mariupol. Details cannot be made public at this time. But we are doing everything to save our people," Zelensky said.

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President Volodymyr Zelenskyy also said that the Russian occupiers had destroyed 95% of buildings in the port city. The actions of the Russian invaders have killed up to 22,000 Mariupol citizens, the city council estimates.
 
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How can this be...85%!? Are most of them pro-Putin? 85% of adult Russians know the truth of what's occurring in Ukraine? If this is true...I just don't know what to say

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OK I really doubt.

Here is an issue with these polls. I think that the first, the main, limiting issue, is whether people agree to participate, or not. I never participated in US polls, because to me, most issues never bode down to “yes” or “no”. Even the issue “who you vote for” often doesn’t mean I support the candidate, rather, in the absence of the choice I wanted, I vote for this person. In Russia, people simply might not know where the results would go, they don’t trust the polls, so I bet lots of people wanting to answer “not supporting” simply don’t participate. So while theoretically, the sampling should be representative, it is not, because, only people who really support Putin participate. (BTW, even the most esteemed polls are often wrong, remember 2016). On the other hand, 15-25% who answer “no”, are usually very bold. I would be happy that there is enough people unafraid to say “no”.

like this woman (Link from Radio Svoboda, blocked in Russia)

"Им все равно, в кого стрелять". Многодетная мать призвала жечь военкоматы

“Even before the official start of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, investigators in the Novgorod region checked the comments of Irina Dmitrieva, a resident of the small village of Novaya Derevnya, who called for burning military registration and enlistment offices and "destroying officials." And then, after the start of the war, Dmitrieva found out that a criminal case had been opened against her. The correspondent of Sever.Realii talked with Irina about why she does not give up her words and anti-war statements even under the threat of prison” (she had four children! - Charlot)

Here is what she says: “In court, I will not ask for any leniency. The man who has lost everything is absolutely free. I have nothing to lose. My children have no tomorrow. Yes, my children will go to an orphanage (if Irina is sent to a colony. - SR), I am ready for this. I'm ready to go to jail, it doesn't scare me at all. Sooner or later I will get out of there, my life will continue anyway. Power is not eternal, not today, tomorrow it will be overthrown, and political prisoners like me will be released. Yes, this will somehow affect the psyche of my children, and perhaps I will have to somehow fill the gap. But this is all for their future, I do all this not for myself, but for their future, because they have no prospects at all, - says Irina.

In the comments that became the basis of the criminal case, Irina argued that military registration and enlistment offices should be burned so that they could not call up, start riots and "destroy officials."

– These comments were about this imaginary special operation in Ukraine, which is de facto a war. It is necessary to call everything by its proper name: this is a war against another people, an independent state. And I do not agree with the position of my state. This power understands only the language of force. There can be no peaceful protests, from the word at all. It is impossible to agree, to put a flower on a machine gun, knowing that it will shoot. This is impossible, because the security forces are brutalized, they receive a lot of money in order to maintain this regime. They don't care who they shoot.”

I think it is more important that there still are such mothers in Russia that old grandmothers who are “unafraid” to support Putin…
 
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To me, the worst news is Russian army placing land mines all over. That will devastate Ukraine for decades.
Russia urged to stop using land mines in its war in Ukraine

This was one cause that the late Princess Diana was bringing attention to...
Remembering Diana, Princess of Wales and her life-saving support for a global ban on landmines | MAG

Both sides might be mining, tbh, for different purposes. We are not in the phase of talking about the consequences of this war. I think the maximum is not over and hope that I am not right…
 
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RSBM
Ironically, it was Boris Yeltsin, the hero (to the west) who dissolved the Soviet Union and introduced new freedoms and capitalism, who chose Putin as his successsor. There's an unfathomable chain of events around that, IMO. Just to cite at random, was it Yeltsin's alcoholism that caused him to make such a foolish decision? Russia: Yeltsin & Putin -- A Portrait In Contrasts

Regardless, IMO events are set in motion, there's no seeing clearly the long-term future consequences, or creating some kind of perfect world leaders who will always do what we believe is right.

I think one mistake we make is to believe the old chestnut 'This is a war to end war", or even worse "to end all wars". How ridulous! IMO each generation forgets how weary and fed up with war the previous generation or two was, and are eager to take up arms again because 'this time' it's not like all the others before, and they're unable to realize, or care, that there will be future ones, as sure as winter comes round every year.

JMO

Yeltsin, tbh, was totally unfit for the ruler. He was, JMO, manic-depressive, his alcoholism was self- medication and he became the symbol of democracy not because he spoke against Gorbachev and the party, but because of the flak he took afterwards. Never, ever create martyrs in Russia…

In Yeltsin’s time, mostly owing to his daughters and the “family”, corruption was rampant. He was drunk and doing what the family told, they were collecting the windfall of money, the country was soaking in banditism, but at the same time, Yeltsin was not stupid. He would think about his successor, and at first, he would search for them amidst young technocrats and economists. (He would rotate them often, though. The late Boris Nemtsov occupied that position for 6 months only, for example.)

All changed after the 1998 crisis.

1998 Russian financial crisis - Wikipedia.

While politically, the crisis ended up in the population losing trust in Yeltsin, he, himself, lost trust in his young economists. Putin emerged as the result of that fact, but before him, there was Primakov.

How did Putin come on the scene? By that time he made significant money in St. Petersburg, and probably one of the “family’s” trusting people brought him in. They brought many people to Yeltsin’s court, though. Putin promised one thing, and he stands by it. He promised to Yeltsin that after Yeltsin would retire, his “family” would be safe. It is…
 
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Does the UK have boots on the ground in Ukraine?
Yes, they've been providing training.

British special forces resumed training of Ukrainians on the use of anti-tank missiles - The Times Hub
Officers from two battalions stationed in and around Kyiv said they had received military training from their service in the British Special Forces, one last week and the other the week before.

Captain Yuriy Mironenko, whose battalion is stationed in Obolon, said military instructors had arrived to instruct new and returning recruits to use NLAW anti-tank missiles.

British special forces ‘are training local troops in Ukraine’ | News | The Times
Captain Yuriy Myronenko, whose battalion is stationed in Obolon on the northern outskirts of Kyiv, said that military trainers had come to instruct new and returning military recruits to use NLAWs, British-supplied anti-tank missiles that were delivered in February as the invasion was beginning.

SAS troops are now training Ukrainians in how to use British-supplied anti-tank missiles | Daily Mail Online
SAS troops are now training Ukrainians in how to use British-supplied anti-tank missiles after Russia warned that Western involvement means World War Three has already started
  • Marks first time British forces have trained Ukrainian counterparts since invasion
  • British trainers have had a presence in Ukraine since Crimea invasion of 2014
  • Two Ukrainian commanders told The Times their battalions have been trained by British forces in the last fortnight. One said it was to use NLAW missile launchers
  • The UK has supplied Ukraine with more than 3,600 NLAWs since February
  • NLAWs offer ground troops a light-weight counter to Russia's slow moving tanks
 
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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Russia alleges most of besieged Mariupol cleared of Ukrainian forces. A Russian Defense Ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, said on April 16 that Russian troops had surrounded about 2,500 Ukrainian soldiers that had remained near the Azovstal metallurgical plant.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Konashenkov said “their only chance to save their lives is to voluntarily lay down their arms and surrender.” The claims have not been independently verified.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Zelensky: 'The situation in Mariupol remains as severe as possible, just inhuman.' President Zelensky said there are only “two ways to influence” the situation: “Either Ukraine’s partners give it all necessary heavy weapons” to unblock the siege or a “negotiation path."

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Zelensky vows housing to Ukrainians who lost their homes as a result of Russia's war. President Zelensky announced plans to provide temporary housing to internally displaced people, as well as to restore all homes and communities that have been affected by Russian attacks.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Zelensky also said Ukraine will provide housing for all those who have defended the state or are working in the public interest who have lost their homes.

NEXTA on Twitter
According to the #UN, more than 100,000 civilians in #Mariupol suffer from a lack of food, water and heating. "This is a catastrophic situation: people are starving to death," said David Beasley, head of the UN World Food Program (WFP).
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Euromaidan Press on Twitter
Ukraine 28th Brigade's detachment of the domestic anti-tank missile system Korsar destroyed 3 Russian Tigr vehicles and one BMP-3 in Kherson Oblast, the "remnants of enemy infantry were also eliminated," the brigade's press service reported. https://facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua
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The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
71% of buildings in Irpin destroyed. Mayor of Irpin Oleksandr Markushin said more than 1,000 buildings in the city sustained damage, of which 115 were totally destroyed by Russian shelling. The majority of the buildings were residential or civilian.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
US military assistance shipments "have begun arriving" in Ukraine, White House official tells CNN on April 16. The assistance includes 11 Mi-17 helicopters, 18 155 mm Howitzer cannons, and 300 more Switchblade drones.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Air raid alerts go off in almost every oblast in Ukraine. Residents are asked to go to the nearest shelters.

Euromaidan Press on Twitter
On Apr 16, Ukraine repelled 10 Russian attacks in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts - GenStaff The Ukrainian forces destroyed 10 Russian tanks, 24 armored and 10 transport vehicles, 3 artillery systems in the Donbas on 16 April, according to Ukraine's General Staff.

Euromaidan Press on Twitter
In Kyiv Oblast, the Emergency Service's pyrotechnic unit found 33 more explosive items during an inspection in the city of Bucha, the work goes on. https://facebook.com/MNSKOB/posts/353449766812332
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April 17 2022 rbbm
Vladimir Putin’s ultimatum to Ukrainian soldiers in Mariupol | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site
''Ukrainians are preparing to take a final stand in Mariupol as Russia issued an ominous ultimatum: ‘surrender at dawn or die’.

Russia claimed it was in control of almost all of the strategic port city and urged its last defenders to lay down their arms by Sunday.''

Russia aims to hobble Ukraine's defences ahead of expected assault in the east | CBC News
''Attacks in 8 regions
The Russian missiles hit the city just as residents were emerging for walks, foreign embassies planned to reopen and other tentative signs of the city's prewar life started resurfacing, following the failure of Russian troops to capture Kyiv and their withdrawal.

Kyiv was one of many targets Saturday. The Ukrainian president's office reported missile strikes and shelling over the past 24 hours in eight regions across the country.

The governor of the Lviv region in western Ukraine, which has been only sporadically touched by the war's violence, reported airstrikes on the region by Russian Su-35 aircraft that took off from neighbouring Belarus.''
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''Russia's warning of stepped-up attacks on Kyiv came after it accused Ukraine on Thursday of wounding seven people and damaging about 100 residential buildings with airstrikes in Bryansk, a region bordering Ukraine. Ukrainian officials have not confirmed hitting targets in Russia.''
 
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Mariupol troops defy Russian order to surrender

Russia gave Ukrainian soldiers an ultimatum to lay down arms in the pulverised southeastern port of Mariupol which Moscow said its forces nearly completely controlled.

It would be its biggest capture of the nearly two-month war.

Several hours after the 4am Irish time deadline there was no sign of compliance by Ukrainian fighters holed up in the vast Azovstal steelworks overlooking the Sea of Azov.

Having failed to overcome Ukrainian resistance in the north since Russian President Vladimir Putin's 24 February invasion, the Russian military has refocused on the eastern Donbas region where Mariupol is the main port.

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Kyiv citizens warned not to return due to revenge airstrikes

After two weeks of relative calm in the city, sinking of Moskva warship leads to retaliatory missile attacks

While life seemed to be slowly returning to the streets of Kyiv, a fresh series of Russian airstrikes came as a reminder this weekend that the war in the Ukrainian capital is far from over.

Following two weeks of relative calm, on Friday the Russian forces destroyed a plant which allegedly produced one of the missiles used to sink the Moskva warship in the Black Sea. The attack was the most significant revenge strike by the Kremlin after the sinking of Russia’s flagship vessel.

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The recent strikes on the Ukrainian capital are among the first since invading Russian forces began withdrawing from regions around Kyiv. The city, day by day, had been attempting to return to normal. Many shops were beginning to reopen and citizens were venturing back on to the streets.

Before the invasion, the greater Kyiv area had a bustling population of 3.5 million, and the streets were buzzing with singers and bars. But after the first bombardments, the capital began to look like a ghost town.

By the end of March, half of the Kyiv population had moved to the west. For weeks the outlying towns of Irpin and Bucha had been occupied and bombed, with thousands of civilians killed and hundreds buried in mass graves. But at the beginning of April, Russian forces began to withdraw.

However, as thousands of citizens who had left after the invasion were preparing to return, the mayor, Vitali Klitschko, on Saturday warned that the renewed airstrikes meant it was not the moment to return.

“Once again, I appeal to everyone: please do not ignore the air alarms!” said Klitschko on his official Telegram channel. “And those Kyivites who left earlier and are already going to return to the capital, I ask you to refrain from this and stay in safer places.”

The sudden twist of events is inexorably linked to the destruction of the jewel of the Russian fleet by Ukrainian forces during a combat operation in the Black Sea on Wednesday – a blow to Vladimir Putin’s war plans and his military’s prestige.

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But it is not only Kyiv paying the price for the destruction of the Moskva and for the Russian humiliation. All of Ukraine is bracing itself for revenge attacks from Russia after the “significant and symbolic” sinking of the flagship.

Air raid sirens sounded overnight in Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, Kryvyi Rih and Dnipropetrovsk. Explosions were also heard in the western city of Lviv, while the war intensifies in the east, with Russia sending additional troops to try to drive Ukrainian forces out of Donbas.

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Russia-Ukraine war: Russian deadline for Mariupol defenders to ‘surrender or die’ passes – live

The city of Kramatorsk feels empty. Only a handful of supermarkets, restaurants and hotels are still open. Windows along the main streets are boarded up. Many residents have moved out of their apartment blocks and into houses in neighbouring villages, where they judge it will be safer.


The few locals walking around behave as if they can’t hear the sirens blaring and appear not to flinch from the occasional thunder of incoming shells.

Russia’s war in Ukraine is moving into a new phase centred on the Donbas region in the east, and most of its citizens are not taking any chances. Regional mayors told the Observer they estimated that about 70% of the population had left since Russia’s offensive began in February.

Ukrainian-controlled Donbas is surrounded by Russian forces from the north, east and south. Ukraine’s authorities believe Russian forces are aiming to encircle the territory by cutting off their supply lines from the west.

Russian-backed forces have held about a third of the region since 2014. Russia had hoped and possibly expected that its attempts to gain more territory would be popular with the mainly Russian-speaking population. But eight years of conflict, and particularly the last eight weeks, have taken their toll.

‘After Bucha, I’m afraid of Russian soldiers’: people in east Ukraine prepare for fresh assault

"The number of people who support Russia has fallen dramatically,” said Oleksiy Yukov, the head of Black Tulips, a volunteer organisation that has been collecting and transferring bodies for people on both sides of the conflict line since 2014.

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“But [pro-Russian views] still exist. There are people who don’t like Ukraine and can’t even explain why. Their explanations are empty of analysis,” said Yukov. “If someone is killed in front of their eyes for no reason, it doesn’t seem to change anything. They want to believe what they already believe and they don’t want to reassess. The propaganda is still getting through, and Ukraine didn’t do enough in these eight years to stop it.”

But Kramatorsk’s mayor, Oleksandr Goncharenko, said the blockade of Mariupol in the Donetsk region and its disastrous humanitarian consequences had played a decisive role in changing people’s minds.

“If in 2014, 60% of the town were pro-Russian, I would say now it’s around 15%,” he said.

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In the neighbouring town of Slovyansk, just north of Kramatorsk and closer to the front lines, mayor Vadym Lyakh said he had received numerous phone calls and messages from the Russian side offering him property and safety for his family in exchange for switching sides. Lyakh said he had ignored them. The Russian side had not promised safety for Slovyansk residents, he said.

As a local councillor, Lyakh had welcomed the Russian-backed separatist forces when they took over his city in 2014 and voted for the creation of the Donetsk people’s republic – something he was now reluctant to comment on.

“I don’t think there’s a difference between Kramatorsk, Slovyansk and Kyiv. It’s all Ukraine and society won’t accept becoming part of Russia,” said Lyakh.

He said that most people in Ukrainian-controlled Donbas saw that they had better lives under Ukrainian rule than in the Russian-backed republics created in 2014.

He said: “But I can’t say that everyone has understood this. I can only say that more people have and that the military activities have further shrunk the number of people who are for the Russian world.”

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In the nearby town of Kreminna in the Luhansk region, next door to two frontline towns where battles between the two sides are reportedly continuing, dozens of people were packing their bags.

“Most of the people here are waiting for Russian soldiers,” said Viktoria Slobodyansk, a 61-year-old retired English teacher who had volunteered for the Ukrainian army.

“People only want to hear what they want to hear. They think if they were in Russia, they would live much better. That is why I decided to leave Kreminna.

“I’m not afraid of the shelling,” she said, “but after Bucha and Hostomel, I’m afraid of Russian soldiers.”
 
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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 16 | Institute for the Study of War (understandingwar.org)

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, APRIL 16
Apr 16, 2022 - Press ISW

April 16, 5:00 pm ET

Ukraine’s sinking of the Moskva was a significant event that has likely triggered intensified Russian air and missile attacks in retaliation, but the decisive operations of this phase of the war will still be conducted on the ground in eastern Ukraine.

Russian forces continued to amass troops around Izyum in preparation for continuing offensive operations in eastern Ukraine.

Russian forces will likely continue operating along three primary axes of advance in Donbas: from Izyum south via Slovyansk toward Russian-controlled Donetsk Oblast near Debaltseve; from Rubizhne and Severodonetsk southwest toward the Izyum-Debaltseve highway; and from Popasna west toward that highway.

Ukrainian officials report that Russia has concentrated as many as 22 battalion tactical groups (BTGs) in the vicinity of Izyum, but the Russians will struggle to take advantage of that force concentration if they cannot open up parallel axes of advance—something they have notably struggled to do in other parts of the theater.

The individual Russian offensives in the east are thus unlikely to proceed dramatically more successfully than similar operations around Kyiv unless the Russians change their operational patterns significantly. The Russians could overwhelm the Ukrainian defenders by the sheer number of different axes of advance forcing the Ukrainians to spread themselves too thinly.


Key Takeaways

  • The Russians and their proxies appear to be preparing to declare victory in the Battle of Mariupol, as Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) head Denis Pushilin opened a United Russia party office in the city.
  • Russian reinforcements drawn from troops that had fought around Kyiv have appeared in eastern Ukraine. Those reinforcements have not received sufficient time to recover physically or mentally from their losses and defeat around Kyiv and are unlikely to generate combat power proportionate to their numbers.
  • Ukrainian officials claim that the Russians canceled the deployment to Syria of one of the last combat units that had not previously seen combat in Ukraine and sent that unit toward Donbas.
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Main effort—Eastern Ukraine

Subordinate main effort—Mariupol (Russian objective: Capture Mariupol and reduce the Ukrainian defenders)


Russian forces continued their slow advance through Mariupol on April 16. Elements of Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) forces arrived at the central Mariupol beach from the north.


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Subordinate main effort—Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts (Russian objective: Capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas)

Russian troops continued shelling Severodonetsk, Rubizhne, and Popasna, and Russian troops made small tactical attacks around Popasna on April 15.


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Supporting Effort #1—Kharkiv and Izyum: (Russian objective: Advance southeast to support Russian operations in Luhansk Oblast, and fix Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv in place)

Russian forces continued their build-up in and around Izyum over the last 24 hours, including deploying elements of units that had fought around Kyiv into the area. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that elements of the 6th and 20th Combined Arms Armies as well as of the 1st Guards Tank Army that had been operating in the Kharkiv and eastern Ukraine area for some time were being reinforced by elements of the 35th and 36th Combined Arms Armies and the 106th Airborne Division, all of which fought and suffered heavy losses around Kyiv.


Supporting Effort #2—Southern axis: (Objective: Defend Kherson against Ukrainian counterattacks)

There has been no significant change around Kherson in the past 24 hours


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Supporting Effort #3—Sumy and Northeastern Ukraine: (Russian objective: Withdraw combat power in good order for redeployment to eastern Ukraine)


There was no significant change in this area in the past 24 hours.


Immediate items to watch

  • Russian forces concentrating around Izyum will continue small-scale offensive operations to the southeast and southwest and may begin larger-scale offensives.
  • Russia and its proxies may declare victory in the Battle of Mariupol.
  • Russian forces could launch a new offensive operation from Donetsk City to the north through Avdiivka toward Kramatorsk.
  • Russian attacks on Severodonetsk, Popasna, and Rubizhne will continue.
 
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