S.A. Concerned Defense will Sell Pics of Caylee's Remains

[TURBOTHINK]

Sick as the A's selling these photos sounds, I think whomever would want to buy them is perhaps more sick.

They have no emotional attachment to the child so it would just be pictures of bones to them.

It is not near as macabre or morbid in my mind as the Anthonys doing it.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Even if they thought it would help bring their precious KC home? I think they'd do pretty much anything to have her beat the charges, and think they've already proven that to us.

What I find amazingis , CA & GA defending KC, knowing the evidence and what if, just what if KC does go home (heaven forbid) could CA & GA sleep? Honestly could they sleep peacefully or would CA take shift one and keep one eye on KC and then GA take shift two, just to make sure KC didn't kill them in their sleep. Could they honestly live like that? Do they really trust her now? Are CA & GA willing to let KC babysit another grandchild?

 

[Mom of Five]

CW, I do have the capacity, and even some leanings to agree with you on this.

And this is also my biggest point of contention with debate and discussion about this case.

(In fairness, I'll step right up here and put my heart on my sleeve and admit that I want to smack myself in the head for even saying 'this case' versus 'Justice for Caylee.' So walk into this clearly knowing that I'm logical, but I am more emotionally invested, thus, my responses struggle to balance both.)

Here is my respectful debate rebuttal:

1. It is OK to assume what fits each person's belief when they need to and are comforted by that.
2. It is further accepted and respected to politely request validation and verification links for fact vs. rumour.
3. I get confused when some assumptions are readily accepted without verification & validation, as suits.

(Yes, yes, I recognize opinion from fact.)

I respect all posters - those who strive for facts/links/validation, and those who read all of the above and also rely upon their intuition.

But, admittedly, I cross over into a gray area when I am faced with inconsistency. I don't 'clue in' well at all with, "I have no trouble believing X about the A's," when all other posts and "I have no trouble believing..." (especially in regards to an SA motion,) needs to be validated and verified umpteen times, by sources that obviously aren't mutually agreed upon as accepted citations.

In short, I don't really have a great deal of difficulty stretching my brain out this far on this one either. BUT, I feel a bit crummy because I need to defend every other brain stretch I have with citations we might not agree upon.

I feel as if it is OK and agreeable to have a supposition that is favorable to the A's without a cited source. But, it is not worthy of posting a supposition/thought/opinion otherwise? It's ok to believe in something decent about these people, but should I question them, I'd best also come up with an unquestionable source, which might still be questioned regardless?

Very well said! Bravo! I too have felt extreme frustration for these same reasons and have wanted to say this so many times but could never have said it so eloquently.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

sometimer, I don't know if anyone in the Anthony family would sell them but I did hear, on one of the several programs that covered it tonight, that pics from the original autopsy would be more valuable than those taken by the defense team. I don't know why; no explanation was given.

But I think, and maybe this observation has already been addressed, that in this package of photos, etc, that the original pictures of the scene on Suburban Drive are included. Those pictures (which the defense could not replicate), I think, would be the ones that would be valuable for resale purposes. I bet these are included and the ones that the SA is most concerned about.

And if I am right and Baez is out of money, he would be trying for the highest price. Of course we know the Anthonys would go for the highest bidder.

 

[suspicious mind]

They have no emotional attachment to the child so it would just be pictures of bones to them.

It is not near as macabre or morbid in my mind as the Anthonys doing it.

maybe I have just come to expect these things from the A's so the shock value is gone.

 

[Angelfire]

It's odd how stuff like this makes you remember something. My ex husband's uncle lived in Baltimore MD and when he passed away he wanted to be brought back here to WV to be buried in the family plot. He had been cremated and a close friend of his, that we knew also called and ask my husband and I if we would take care of the memorial service and burial and I said sure. After a couple of weeks, I received a package AT THE POST OFFICE. I opened the box and there was a plastic black box inside. I had the box here for a week while making the arrangements for the burial and one night I was going to bed and looked and my husband had set the box on top of our headboard of the bed. Now let me tell you, I really loved Jack, he was a great guy, but no way was I going to sleep with his ashes right above my head cause I was afraid they might fall off, hit me in the head and burst open. I made my husband get up and take them down to his garage and they stayed there til the burial. Jack's family, including my ex had all passed away, and we didn't mind taking care to see he was laid to rest with his family, but I be dad gummed if I was going to have his ashes all over my bed. Heck, my wonderful husband even put my ex husband and his mother away when they died. Just a little laugh thinking back sometimes helps.:crazy:

 

[TURBOTHINK]

maybe I have just come to expect these things from the A's so the shock value is gone.

I am with you on that one. Nothing they have done since KC went to their house has surprised me. Those are people who are so ingrained in their own evil, they are beyond any expectations of human behavior on my part.

 

[Nore]

I am glad the SA is getting it out there that they have been profitting from selling the pics. I think they are getting ready to charge them and want the public to know what they have been up to.

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If they would do this they are as low as one can go.Scum of the Earth! Are they proud of their daughters handiwork? How will they feel when the truth about her is proven in Court? I'm not asking anyone here for answers,these are just questions I have.

 

[amethyst221]

Since the defense wants to do a second examination of the remains in order to try to poke holes in the State's examination the body can not be buried. (Well, it could be, but then there would be an exhumation which would be even worse than her bones being stored in a cooler). The defense may be having trouble finding a forensic anthropologist that can dispute what the Universities teams have already done. Plus, it would be insane to do the examination if the "experts" from whatever field do not have all the information available to them prior to the exam. Since Baez has not yet received the photos and x-rays, as they are still arguing about them, the "experts" cannot begin to do their work.

The State only recently turned the remains over to the funeral home. None of this stuff happens quickly, no matter how hard one tries.

I don't know who started the "defense may try to sell the photos" story, but it seems that it comes from the SA. I think it is posturing on the State's part.

Drew P. stated that there were licensing fees paid amounting to 6 figures for photos and videos of Caylee. The media bought the rights from someone, we just do not know who. Although it is unseemly to think that anyone would sell their child's photos to the media, let's not forget that the media is making millions upon millions from the coverage of this case which includes showing the videos and photos. Should CNN, FOX, ABC, etc. make money from this tragedy but not the family? How is that fair?

I think that whatever monies have been made from the licensing fees are going towards KC's defense, the A's defense, LA's defense, to keep a roof over the family's head, pay bills and feed them.

I have picked up remains from a crematorium. The ashes were in a sealed plastic bag inside of a cardboard box. Unless you take a vessel to the funeral home or buy one from their selection, this is what you get. It wasn't creepy at all but was surprisingly heavy.

I sure hope they didn't leave the A's alone with the box. There is no telling what they might pull when no one is looking.

Unless things have changed, the defense has quite a famous forensic anthropologist, Kathy Reichs. She was in Orlando at the time Caylee's remains were found and the defense was pushing to participate in the crime scene investigation. She gave interviews. She was not especially impressed with the idea of Dr. G and her work, but stated that only a FA was truly qualified to deal with the bones, not a mere forensic pathologist. She also mentioned the confidential fund/source of payment for the experts. Maybe she's busy. Even before the state filed the motion today, the defense already had announced that it would need 2 more weeks before completing the "second autopsy."

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Big time drug dealers and racketeers only source of income is generally money gained from their crimes. They pay their attorneys somehow. I'm not saying it's right or legal, but they do seem to get away with it.

How 'bout white collar criminals - like the Enron executives ? How could it be determined that the fees paid to their attorneys had not come from their financial schemes/shenanigans - but from legitimate business transactions ? Is there an audit component in the Florida law to trace the income sources of defense attorneys ?

 

[cocoamom]

Nothing anywhere in the article accuses the A's of selling any photos. It would be nice, IMO, if we could actually discuss what the article DOES say instead of making unfounded accusations.

At one point in time, KC was in jail. The A's went to New York to be on the Today show I think? Not sure what show but the local media called it a "media blitz" by the A's. The big byline of this show was "never before seen baby photos of Caylee".

So, do you think the A's were just being generous by providing all those baby and early photos of Caylee to the media through that personal rep guy who, according to the A's absconded with their money that they were paid for what???

KC certainly didn't give the photos up as she had been in jail for weeks! I believe this was just prior to her second release from jail on house arrest.

Question for you - what money is it that they were accusing that PR guy of keeping? It was money from one of the major networks if I remember, just wondering what you think that money was for? NO, I have no links...

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I am with you on that one. Nothing they have done since KC went to their house has surprised me. Those are people who are so ingrained in their own evil, they are beyond any expectations on my part.

You said exactly what I had been thinking earlier. The A's are so far gone down their own dark paths. They are not anywhere near where myself, my family, my friends and most of the people I associate with are in regards to love, family, friends, friendship and lives well lived. I am at a point where I would be more shocked if the A's did something human, something nice. Little do they realize when everything is said and done and all the money is spent and their lives are over and it is time for their funeral, who is going to speak for them and even worse...what will they say?

 

[Chilly Willy]

CW, I do have the capacity, and even some leanings to agree with you on this.

And this is also my biggest point of contention with debate and discussion about this case.

(In fairness, I'll step right up here and put my heart on my sleeve and admit that I want to smack myself in the head for even saying 'this case' versus 'Justice for Caylee.' So walk into this clearly knowing that I'm logical, but I am more emotionally invested, thus, my responses struggle to balance both.)

Here is my respectful debate rebuttal:

1. It is OK to assume what fits each person's belief when they need to and are comforted by that.
2. It is further accepted and respected to politely request validation and verification links for fact vs. rumour.
3. I get confused when some assumptions are readily accepted without verification & validation, as suits.

(Yes, yes, I recognize opinion from fact.)

I respect all posters - those who strive for facts/links/validation, and those who read all of the above and also rely upon their intuition.

But, admittedly, I cross over into a gray area when I am faced with inconsistency. I don't 'clue in' well at all with, "I have no trouble believing X about the A's," when all other posts and "I have no trouble believing..." (especially in regards to an SA motion,) needs to be validated and verified umpteen times, by sources that obviously aren't mutually agreed upon as accepted citations.

In short, I don't really have a great deal of difficulty stretching my brain out this far on this one either. BUT, I feel a bit crummy because I need to defend every other brain stretch I have with citations we might not agree upon.

I feel as if it is OK and agreeable to have a supposition that is favorable to the A's without a cited source. But, it is not worthy of posting a supposition/thought/opinion otherwise? It's ok to believe in something decent about these people, but should I question them, I'd best also come up with an unquestionable source, which might still be questioned regardless?

I have never questioned anyone's right to state negative opinions about the Anthonys and have not done so in this thread. In this motion the SA did not, contrary to what people have posted, state that the A's have made any money from selling pictures or that they believe the A's intend to sell pictures of the remains, both of which have been stated as fact. When opinion is stated as fact it soon become concrete in people's minds. In a few days, people will be posting that the SA specifically accused the A's and, regardless of how many links disproving that are posted, that will remain the belief. The A's will be torn up one side and down the other for something that never happened or didn't happen as presented. I see it over and over on this forum.

If people chose to believe that the A's have sold photos, that's fine. I don't know whether they have or not. My point is that there is no proof of that in this motion, there is not even proof that photos have been sold, only that sales have been "widely reported." The A's aren't aren't even named. It appears that the SA is concerned about the defense, or people hired by the defense, selling photos. That is certainly not what people are getting from the posts on this thread.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I respectfully disagree with you. The Anthony's have been devastated by the loss of their granddaughter. She was obviously a very loved child. If the A's had sold rights to particular pictures and video prior to the discovery of her remains, it is my opinion that the money received was used towards the private investigators and other means they used to search for little Caylee. I would bet my life on the fact that both Cindy and George would give their own lives to have Caylee back if they could. They are victims of their own love they had for their child... a child that lied and manipulated them and ultimately killed their granddaughter.

I would respectfully disagree with you. Caylee was just another "possession" and nothing more in that family. I am sure they loved her in their own evil way, but they did not exhibit proper diligence for a grandparent who had a mentally deranged daughter.

They KNEW KC was not mentally right for years. They knew she was a pathological liar, that she was a thief, was promiscuous, did not have a job (even GA said that in the FBI interview) They knew Caylee was "at risk" and because of their own self preservation issues, they did nothing to protect her in my opinion. They did not "do the deed", but in reality they set Caylee up to be killed.

Just because they fed her and dressed her well that does not mean she was ever a precious child to them. She was just another secret in that family and another possession to fight over.

Then when they knew KC killed or was the reason Caylee was killed they LIED, hid things, and tried to deceive LE themselves. They did everything to run the investigation off track and to hide all of their family secrets.

I feel their lies and cover up have now sentenced KC to LWOP. If they had not gone along with the lies in the beginning, she might could have plead it as an accident and been out of jail in a few years, but they compounded the lies and now she will never walk out of that jail alive. So in reality they sentenced them both to their fate and Lee will not ever be the same.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Sick as the A's selling these photos sounds, I think whomever would want to buy them is perhaps more sick.

The Star, The Enquirer, The Globe, to start with. NG said tonight that with ANS that Dr. Perper even had the windows blacked out. I was here - not only were the windows blacked, there were TWO armed deputies at the door (with more inside) and you were completely frisked down outside at the door - no cell phones, no cameras, no NOTHING. Dr. Perper is wonderful and he made sure that ANS was very secure.

It was rumored that the tabloids were offering well over 2 million for just one pic of her!!!

So, there ya go about who would want to buy them and if JB is out of money - well like I said, you're talking millions for a pic like that.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

CW, I do have the capacity, and even some leanings to agree with you on this.

And this is also my biggest point of contention with debate and discussion about this case.

(In fairness, I'll step right up here and put my heart on my sleeve and admit that I want to smack myself in the head for even saying 'this case' versus 'Justice for Caylee.' So walk into this clearly knowing that I'm logical, but I am more emotionally invested, thus, my responses struggle to balance both.)

Here is my respectful debate rebuttal:

1. It is OK to assume what fits each person's belief when they need to and are comforted by that.
2. It is further accepted and respected to politely request validation and verification links for fact vs. rumour.
3. I get confused when some assumptions are readily accepted without verification & validation, as suits.

(Yes, yes, I recognize opinion from fact.)

I respect all posters - those who strive for facts/links/validation, and those who read all of the above and also rely upon their intuition.

But, admittedly, I cross over into a gray area when I am faced with inconsistency. I don't 'clue in' well at all with, "I have no trouble believing X about the A's," when all other posts and "I have no trouble believing..." (especially in regards to an SA motion,) needs to be validated and verified umpteen times, by sources that obviously aren't mutually agreed upon as accepted citations.

In short, I don't really have a great deal of difficulty stretching my brain out this far on this one either. BUT, I feel a bit crummy because I need to defend every other brain stretch I have with citations we might not agree upon.

I feel as if it is OK and agreeable to have a supposition that is favorable to the A's without a cited source. But, it is not worthy of posting a supposition/thought/opinion otherwise? It's ok to believe in something decent about these people, but should I question them, I'd best also come up with an unquestionable source, which might still be questioned regardless?

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

 

[essies]

At one point in time, KC was in jail. The A's went to New York to be on the Today show I think? Not sure what show but the local media called it a "media blitz" by the A's. The big byline of this show was "never before seen baby photos of Caylee".

So, do you think the A's were just being generous by providing all those baby and early photos of Caylee to the media through that personal rep guy who, according to the A's absconded with their money that they were paid for what???

KC certainly didn't give the photos up as she had been in jail for weeks! I believe this was just prior to her second release from jail on house arrest.

Question for you - what money is it that they were accusing that PR guy of keeping? It was money from one of the major networks if I remember, just wondering what you think that money was for? NO, I have no links...

It was NBC-and IIRC he got $6,000.00 as some sort of brokers fee or something. It's amazing to me that they managed to find such hinkey people to rep them, "search" for them, or otherwise associate with. TM and MN were smart to get the heck outta there! The whole lot of em stink worse than the car!!:furious:

 

[PoppyH]

What I find amazingis , CA & GA defending KC, knowing the evidence and what if, just what if KC does go home (heaven forbid) could CA & GA sleep? Honestly could they sleep peacefully or would CA take shift one and keep one eye on KC and then GA take shift two, just to make sure KC didn't kill them in their sleep. Could they honestly live like that? Do they really trust her now? Are CA & GA willing to let KC babysit another grandchild?

Hevean forbid, what a scary scary Thought!

 

[cocowiley]

for all of those here that say they don't ever want to see photos of caylee's "body" (only bones really), i think back to the ridiculous amout of photoshop work that was done in the crime scene photo's thread in order to point out and make it clearer that caylee's skull was in the photo.

i'm not saying the people in this thread are the same ones that searched so hard in the crime scene photo's thread, but comments like "why would anyone want to see photo's of her body?" seem quite hypocritical to me, especially in a forum like this one.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Since the defense wants to do a second examination of the remains in order to try to poke holes in the State's examination the body can not be buried. (Well, it could be, but then there would be an exhumation which would be even worse than her bones being stored in a cooler). The defense may be having trouble finding a forensic anthropologist that can dispute what the Universities teams have already done. Plus, it would be insane to do the examination if the "experts" from whatever field do not have all the information available to them prior to the exam. Since Baez has not yet received the photos and x-rays, as they are still arguing about them, the "experts" cannot begin to do their work.

The State only recently turned the remains over to the funeral home. None of this stuff happens quickly, no matter how hard one tries.

I don't know who started the "defense may try to sell the photos" story, but it seems that it comes from the SA. I think it is posturing on the State's part.

Drew P. stated that there were licensing fees paid amounting to 6 figures for photos and videos of Caylee. The media bought the rights from someone, we just do not know who. Although it is unseemly to think that anyone would sell their child's photos to the media, let's not forget that the media is making millions upon millions from the coverage of this case which includes showing the videos and photos. Should CNN, FOX, ABC, etc. make money from this tragedy but not the family? How is that fair?

I think that whatever monies have been made from the licensing fees are going towards KC's defense, the A's defense, LA's defense, to keep a roof over the family's head, pay bills and feed them.

I have picked up remains from a crematorium. The ashes were in a sealed plastic bag inside of a cardboard box. Unless you take a vessel to the funeral home or buy one from their selection, this is what you get. It wasn't creepy at all but was surprisingly heavy.

I sure hope they didn't leave the A's alone with the box. There is no telling what they might pull when no one is looking.

I thought the exact same thing...and next thing we know they'll be disputing it's her.