S.A. Concerned Defense will Sell Pics of Caylee's Remains

[suspicious mind]

If the defense has access to the remains, couldn't they just take their own pictures and sell them? Are the photos in question of the autospy by the ME, or the photos showing the remains in the woods?

 

[cocoamom]

Sorry you have someone like that, but you evidently are okay with it now.

That was my first clue in this case - The Anthonys had no friends. It was a totally closed family structure. If that had been a normal family we would have seen friends around all the time trying to help the family. They had to rely on people like KFN who were criminals to surround them.

When you have a daughter like that, you can't afford friends if you want your self perceived allusions to survive. Any close friend or uncle named Rick?would have known the truth about the daughter so the facade would not work.

Bold and red is mine lol

 

[cocowiley]

frankly, i don't really see the A's, Baez or even casey trying to sell photos of caylee's bones, i really don't but if SA were really that worried that Baez would stoop so low to make copies and try to sell them, then i don't see a court order stopping him from doing that.
remember, the court told him he couldn't have access to the crime scene but he still assembled all his experts and showed up anyway.
SA should just quietly release the photos.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

IMO, the conflict here is that Baez has experts all over the country and he wants to send the pictures to them. The risk that something will be leaked by someone employed by one of these experts is significant.

Baez doesn't want to have the experts all need to travel down to Orlando to view the pictures. I can understand that - you can't really ponder when you have a tight timeline.

But, I don't understand what the court could do to mitigate the risk of multiple parties having unlimited access to the pictures.

So, is the SA's request for a ruling really just a heads up to the Defense Team and/or the A Family that charges could be filed if the pictures are published ? What would those charges be ?

Experts all over the country and he can't afford to fly them into Orlando? What is it $400.00 round trip from anywhere in the US at the most?

That is just another red herring to get them to release them to him.

The best forensic anthropologist in the world is in Tennessee and it costs $120.00 round trip to fly from Tn, because I flew my nieces from there during Christmas vacation to Orlando.

That makes NO SENSE at all to me. Like many here know my brother is an attorney and I just asked him about that and he said that was PURE BS.
He said first of all there is no totally secure way to send them, and no good attorney would ever risk that. He reminded me that Baez is contradicting himself as he already had a forensic anthropologist there and WHY would he need another one unless the one he had did not give him the answers he wanted. He said you don't use a "number" of forensic anthropologists on a case and if he is "floating" that story it will never go with a judge.

He, like me, is convinced Baez is out of money.

 

[ThoughtElf]

I have never questioned anyone's right to state negative opinions about the Anthonys and have not done so in this thread. In this motion the SA did not, contrary to what people have posted, state that the A's have made any money from selling pictures or that they believe the A's intend to sell pictures of the remains, both of which have been stated as fact. When opinion is stated as fact it soon become concrete in people's minds. In a few days, people will be posting that the SA specifically accused the A's and, regardless of how many links are posted, that will remain the belief. The A's will be torn up one side and down the other for something that never happened or didn't happen as presented. I see it over and over on this forum.

If people chose to believe that the A's have sold photos, that's fine. I don't know whether they have or not. My point is that there is no proof of that in this motion, there is not even proof that photos have been sold, only that sales have been "widely reported." The A's aren't aren't even named. It appears that the SA is concerned about the defense, or people hired by the defense, selling photos. That is certainly not what people are getting from the posts on this thread.

By the same token, could we also agree that is is NOT fact that the A's have spent any time sitting with 'the remains.'

This is only supposed in various media articles, none of which have been verified by by LE, SA, the funeral home or the jail custodians? And I equally fear that this might be absorbed as a fact vs. an unsubstantiated rumour.

I am NOT arguing your post, in any way at all.

I'm merely pointing out that we ALL opine on things that aren't always readily backed up by links.

I love that you consistently defend the stance on A's, but by the same token, you didn't address my initial post.

Arguments about justice and (accepted, cited) facts when applied inconsistently aren't more or less worthy of applying in a court of law.

SA documents that cite concerns about the D team's plans for profiting of off pictures they shouldn't matter by some accounts, but they SHOULD weigh in more heavily with the jury than either your or my own opinions about the A's non-validated behaviors (i.e. I want to believe they did sit with Caylee's remains, but I can't cite a single source other than my own heart.)

I GET IT. I really do.

Do you agree with anything stated in this post or my previous post?

We're ALL prone to skewing the stats.

Could we reach a common-denominator and respectfully agree that there needs to be a healthy discourse that includes both agreed upon facts and some level of heart-felt "I have no problem..." gut-level, intelligent perception here?

We're all on the same page in that we all want verified facts. And we're all on the same page that we all want justice for Caylee.

I think, if we can agree to respectfully disagree that many alternate perceptions and suppositions can exist about the A's without a 'linky-linky' here or a 'linky-linky' there that only supports one side of the discussion.

I'm neither a sympathizer nor a fan, and I respect that you are.

Somethings are facts, and some are opinions.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If the defense has access to the remains, couldn't they just take their own pictures and sell them? Are the photos in question of the autospy by the ME, or the photos showing the remains in the woods?

I think the photos in the woods would be worth the most, sadly.

The ME would have taken photos before she was removed from the scene and further photos would be taken during the autopsy including the x-rays.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

all the more reason for SA to just release whatever they have, after all...caylee is no longer here with us, (depending on your belief i guess) they are just images of who she used to be.

You may have a point. Nothing to be gained by anyone if the pictures are "out there". I don't much like the idea, but I sure don't like people making a profit off Caylee's death either.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

frankly, i don't really see the A's, Baez or even casey trying to sell photos of caylee's bones, i really don't but if SA were really that worried that Baez would stoop so low to make copies and try to sell them, then i don't see a court order stopping him from doing that.
remember, the court told him he couldn't have access to the crime scene but he still assembled all his experts and showed up anyway.
SA should just quietly release the photos.

Trust me they CAN prevent him from making copies. In child cases, the defense and their experts can ONLY view the evidence in the presence of the DA and LE.(or someone designated by the court) They are not allowed access without supervision. Being a child, this may be done in this case also. A judge can seal ANYTHING he chooses by court order.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

By the same token, could we also agree that is is NOT fact that the A's have spent any time sitting with 'the remains.'

This is only supposed in various media articles, none of which have been verified by by LE, SA, the funeral home or the jail custodians? And I equally fear that this might be absorbed as a fact vs. an unsubstantiated rumour.

I am NOT arguing your post, in any way at all.

I'm merely pointing out that we ALL opine on things that aren't always readily backed up by links.

I love that you consistently defend the stance on A's, but by the same token, you didn't address my initial post.

Arguments about justice and (accepted, cited) facts when applied inconsistently aren't more or less worthy of applying in a court of law.

SA documents that cite concerns about the D team's plans for profiting of off pictures they shouldn't matter by some accounts, but they SHOULD weigh in more heavily with the jury than either your or my own opinions about the A's non-validated behaviors (i.e. I want to believe they did sit with Caylee's remains, but I can't cite a single source other than my own heart.)

I GET IT. I really do.

Do you agree with anything stated in this post or my previous post?

We're ALL prone to skewing the stats.

Could we reach a common-denominator and respectfully agree that there needs to be a healthy discourse that includes both agreed upon facts and some level of heart-felt "I have no problem..." gut-level, intelligent perception here?

We're all on the same page in that we all wants verified facts. And we're all on the same page that we all want justice for Caylee.

I think, if we can agree to respectfully disagree that many alternate perceptions and suppositions can exist about the A's without a 'linky-linky' here or a 'linky-linky' there that only supports one side of the discussion.

I'm neither a sympathizer nor a fan, and I respect that you are.

Somethings are facts, and some are opinions.

Thank you. I get so tired. :blowkiss:

 

[Paintr]

I don't think 'selling the pics' in this case means shopping them around on the internet, ect. Nothing that crass. I think the worry is them showing up in future books as illustrations or in slide shows during public presentations. (Didn't Laci's photos get used for this by a certain well known Dr?)

 

[Chilly Willy]

By the same token, could we also agree that is is NOT fact that the A's have spent any time sitting with 'the remains.'

This is only supposed in various media articles, none of which have been verified by by LE, SA, the funeral home or the jail custodians? And I equally fear that this might be absorbed as a fact vs. an unsubstantiated rumour.

I am NOT arguing your post, in any way at all.

I'm merely pointing out that we ALL opine on things that aren't always readily backed up by links.

I love that you consistently defend the stance on A's, but by the same token, you didn't address my initial post.

Arguments about justice and (accepted, cited) facts when applied inconsistently aren't more or less worthy of applying in a court of law.

SA documents that cite concerns about the D team's plans for profiting of off pictures they shouldn't SHOULD weigh more heavily with the jury than either your or my own opinions about the A's non-validated behaviors (i.e. I want to believe they did sit with Caylee's remains, but I can't cite a single source other than my own heart.)

I GET IT. I really do.

Do you agree with anything stated in this post or my previous post?

We're ALL prone to skewing the stats.

Could we reach a common-denominator and respectfully agree that there needs to be a healthy discourse that includes both agreed upon facts and some level of heart-felt "I have no problem..." gut-level, intelligent perception here?

We're all on the same page in that we all wants verified facts. And we're all on the same page that we all want justice for Caylee.

I think, if we can agree to respectfully disagree that many alternate perceptions and suppositions can exist about the A's without a 'linky-linky' here or a 'linky-linky' there that only supports one side of the discussion.

I'm neither a sympathizer nor a fan, and I respect that you are.

Somethings are facts, and some are opinions.

Call me dense, but I'm not getting what you're trying to say at all. I gave my opinion that the A's probably did sit with Caylee's remains. I did not state it as fact. It's been stated as fact on this thread that the SA is accusing the A's of selling photos. That is not correct.

I know most posters here would find this hard to believe, but my intent is actually not to defend the A's, it's to defend the facts. So much of what get's said in the media ends up twisted beyond all recognition on this forum, and always against the Anthonys. I try to get people to see what was actually said, not what someone has turned it into after applying their own bias - either pro or con anyone.

 

[SuziQ]

I dont get the hoopla - both of my parents stayed at the ME office for
weeks before they were released for cremation. We didnt get their
remains for a month . I picked them up immediately when the
funeral home called . Even then it was even more time before we went and scattered their ashes . Their deaths were devastating for us and there were more urgent tasks to attend to .

IMO, the hoopla is because Caylee had to wait 6 month's to be found and should buried without delay. I understand about more urgent tasks, but the more time that goes by with no resolution as to what's going to happen with her remains, those urgent tasks start to appear more like excuses.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

all the more reason for SA to just release whatever they have, after all...caylee is no longer here with us, (depending on your belief i guess) they are just images of who she used to be.

They didn't say they didn't want to release them. They just don't want anyone to SELL them. I believe they received a tip that Baez or the Anthonys were shopping them and wanted to prevent it BEFORE it happened.

 

[essies]

Experts all over the country and he can't afford to fly them into Orlando? What is it $400.00 round trip from anywhere in the US at the most?

That is just another red herring to get them to release them to him.

The best forensic anthropologist in the world is in Tennessee and it costs $120.00 round trip to fly from Tn, because I flew my nieces from there during Christmas vacation to Orlando.

That makes NO SENSE at all to me. Like many here know my brother is an attorney and I just asked him about that and he said that was PURE BS.
He said first of all there is no totally secure way to send them, and no good attorney would ever risk that. He reminded me that Baez is contradicting himself as he already had a forensic anthropologist there and WHY would he need another one unless the one he had did not give him the answers he wanted. He said you don't use a "number" of forensic anthropologists on a case and if he is "floating" that story it will never go with a judge.

He is, like me, is convinced Baez is out of money.

Outta money and outta time!! The holidays are over-you can't use that as an excuse, JB already has his forensic team in place-you can't use that as an excuse, JB's had more than enough time to counsel with his client-you can't use that as an excuse. I think the only thing left is for JB to claim a health issue and say KC needs a new lawyer and try to start from the beginning again with someoe new!!!:waitasec:

 

[DesSands]

State Tries To Limit Images Of Caylee's Remains
Prosecutors File Motion Over Concerns Of Sale

POSTED: 1:21 pm EST January 6, 2009
UPDATED: 5:17 pm EST January 6, 2009


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prosecutors are withholding three discs showing Caylee Anthony’s remains from the defense team, WESH 2 News confirmed on Tuesday.

The discs include X-rays and photos of her body, which were supposed to be delivered to the defense under a court’s order. But in a new motion, the Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office said it has concerns that the images will be reproduced and sold, according to WESH 2 reporter Bob Kealing.


Full article at http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/18422273/detail.html


I am glad the SA has decided to do this. It seems to me the As want to make a living out of this, and it seems LE wants to stop them, which I'm glad about.

It's also interesting that the SA say that they have already made lots of money from selling photos...I thought the As denied this when they accused LG??

I didn't see anywhere in this article the SA said the A's specifically were the ones that have made alot of money selling photos. To me it's either a ploy by the SA to keep this from the defense maybe until they can figure out what's going on with the PI's. But in any case, I SO HOPE ZFG sues them too since they keep bringing up her name. Would be a big laugh if she wound up getting all the money and the A's had to go back to work instead of living off this horrible tragedy.

 

[ThoughtElf]

for all of those here that say they don't ever want to see photos of caylee's "body" (only bones really), i think back to the ridiculous amout of photoshop work that was done in the crime scene photo's thread in order to point out and make it clearer that caylee's skull was in the photo.

<snip>

UGH!!!!!!!! (Sorry that isn't eloquent, but it is what it is.)

I had/have a big problem with those threads. I am comfortable stating that I agree.

I appreciate reading about the area and the foliage, but the minute dissections and photo-shopping bother me.

I'd like to think LE really didn't require my input in any way there. And I feel really badly for them that they had to face that scene; I doubt they'll ever forgt it.

 

[cocowiley]

Trust me they CAN prevent him from making copies. In child cases, the defense and their experts can ONLY view the evidence in the presence of the DA and LE.(or someone designated by the court) They are not allowed access without supervision. Being a child, this may be done in this case also. A judge can seal ANYTHING he chooses by court order.

i'm not sure though that the seal is absolute.
even though i hate it when people post anecdotes, here's mine. i live very close to where the body of one of paul bernardo's/karla homolka (the barbie killers) victims was found. i believe all evidence was sealed, yet photos and the infamous video of the rape and murder of their victims were found on the internet. (the victims were teens)

 

[suspicious mind]

Quick! Everyone who posted a photoshopped pic delete your posts!!!! LOL

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Experts all over the country and he can't afford to fly them into Orlando? What is it $400.00 round trip from anywhere in the US at the most?

That is just another red herring to get them to release them to him.

The best forensic anthropologist in the world is in Tennessee and it costs $120.00 round trip to fly from Tn, because I flew my nieces from there during Christmas vacation to Orlando.

That makes NO SENSE at all to me. Like many here know my brother is an attorney and I just asked him about that and he said that was PURE BS.
He said first of all there is no totally secure way to send them, and no good attorney would ever risk that. He reminded me that Baez is contradicting himself as he already had a forensic anthropologist there and WHY would he need another one unless the one he had did not give him the answers he wanted. He said you don't use a "number" of forensic anthropologists on a case and if he is "floating" that story it will never go with a judge.

He, like me, is convinced Baez is out of money.

Ouch !!

Maybe it is the money for Baez if you and your brother are correct about his finances. But IMO, it's more about the time - convincing multiple, IMO very self-important, "experts" to return to Orlando and, more importantly, not limiting the amount of time they have with evidence.

I totally agree with the dangers associated with sending copies and noted that in my first post.

 

[cocowiley]

They didn't say they didn't want to release them. They just don't want anyone to SELL them. I believe they received a tip that Baez or the Anthonys were shopping them and wanted to prevent it BEFORE it happened.

shopping the sale of photos of caylee's bones? that actually made me laugh. i'll believe it when i see it.