Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #7

[marv hucker]

I recall reading a call for the training of cadaver dogs in Victoria, as they have none.
Here we are: 'Missed opportunities' by Victoria Police in search for woman led to possible fatal delays, coroner hears

Reading that, seems like not having cadaver dogs is a long way down the list of problems there - unstaffed local cop shop, who weren’t listening to messages or forwarding calls, the request for search resources turned down etc.

 

[Deleted member 340727]

But would he allegedly conceal the victim in a place with ties to himself?

There are many dams/ponds/lakes in the area.
There is a river.

By the way,
I checked this Ristevsky case and learnt he was given only 11 years for manslaught

Was the suspected perp. struggling with his status and his families status and making narratives in his thought processes, comparing his status to the wealth that appears to be surrounding them? Had the cheering crowds faded to a built up nature inside? We are all shaped by what has happened but most people move on--move forward. I suspect that the alleged perp. may have held grievances and these were not at a level in which they were not able to understand them and handle them.

familiarity breeds contempt
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages

phrase of familiarity

1. PROVERB
   extensive knowledge of or close association with someone or something leads to a loss of respect for them or it.

 

[SouthAussie]

In another case, we looked at the commonalities of where murderers dump their victims. Because they can be missing for so long.

In this Qld study, the results were ..

The study identified four (4) key commonalities observed in the dataset,
(1) East is the predominant direction for victim disposal;
(2) The offender's vehicle was the most common method of victim transport followed by carrying/dragging;
(3) concealment with leaf litter and local debris was the norm, followed by no attempt at concealment; and
(4) victims were moved less than 50 m from a road or track after transport.


And other things are mentioned, things they found in other studies, it is a long article but here are a few of the other things ...

84 % of disposed victims were located within 15 km of where they were killed. (A mentioned Korean study found the same percentage were located within 30 km)
No victim was dragged or carried more than a kilometre from the murder site, and no motor vehicles were used for any distances less than 50 m.
The most frequent distances a victim was carried or dragged from the crime scene were up to 100 m, this is about as far as an average person could drag or carry a deceased person according to McCluskey [31].
Where are homicide victims disposed? A study of disposed homicide victims in Queensland

 

[marv hucker]

It is not him who is an electrician and telecomms tech. That is his father.

The accused is either a rookie electrician or an apprentice electrician - due to his age.

I'm not remembering the police say anyone with advanced skills attacked Samantha. I think that might have been one of the theories in the Under Investigation show. imo

Not necessarily.

Can start an 4 year apprenticeship at 15 ie qualify by 19.

Is it known whether he finished year 12?

EDIT: in my experience if he had a work car/ute it’s fairly likely he was qualified.

 

[Dotta]

Was the suspected perp. struggling with his status and his families status and making narratives in his thought processes, comparing his status to the wealth that appears to be surrounding them? Had the cheering crowds faded to a built up nature inside? We are all shaped by what has happened but most people move on--move forward. I suspect that the alleged perp. may have held grievances and these were not at a level in which they were not able to understand them and handle them.

familiarity breeds contempt
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages

phrase of familiarity

1. PROVERB
   extensive knowledge of or close association with someone or something leads to a loss of respect for them or it.

Re status

He was the master of his own life as we all are.

Parents cared for him and paid expensive fees for private schools.
They provided him with accommodation at their house.
He could continue education if he was so interested in IT.
This profession pays a loooot.
But then, university studies need hard work, not constant indulging in booze and drugs.

Parents achieved their status by hard work and with 3 kids to raise.
They should be proud.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Does anyone have any further details on the accused lawyer requesting the suppression order on the grounds of the accused might self harm because of arrest?? I can’t find the article but I vaguely remember something to this effect??
Self harm is pretty drastic in regards to the beginning of the arrest. And due to his age this would not necessarily mean that he would not get paroled after serving some time. Does this hint at the real severity of the accused actions ??
Charges can often be downgraded and I’m sure the lawyer would have explained that. So why would self harm immediately be considered by the accused? Even without a body? Does VICPOL have much more evidence than they specified??

I don't think he represented at the moment

 

[bearbear]

Maybe, but why risk contaminating two vehicles with DNA when the accused's ute is a 4WD with a spacious tray and canopy? Perhaps a specific car gives access to an otherwise off limits area, a vehicle with official branded signage? It might be worth the risk in a scenario like that.

but if he was on foot, his own vehicle not there, he needed to move the body so may have thought a friends beat up old car with a boot would be better to conceal her in while he drove her out of the area, and rather than mess up his ute or have to make space if he was in a hurry, quicker and easier to just do a quick sprint to his friends and grab the keys? also police seemed focused on a car with damage, maybe it was a shabby old run around car they all used?

 

[bearbear]

I’ve been wondering about Data & Electrical work (I recall a mention of telecommunications business early on, imo). They may perhaps subcontract to another company.

I’m just thinking about what might regulatory put him in that area, as I think he’s been quite familiar with Sam’s running pattern. He may even have communicated with her. I can imagine there may’ve been various people that Sam encountered over her paths, possibly waved to, exchanged a few words with - but I don’t necessarily think she would have gone back home & talked about these exchanges, as they don’t fall under ‘people she / they knew’.

I just can’t figure out what drove him to do this, as police have labeled it a ‘deliberate attack’, which is so horrible to think about.

All just MO

she probably just smiled hello as they passed each other, sometimes thats all some people need

 

[T-dawg420]

but if he was on foot, his own vehicle not there, he needed to move the body so may have thought a friends beat up old car with a boot would be better to conceal her in while he drove her out of the area, and rather than mess up his ute or have to make space if he was in a hurry, quicker and easier to just do a quick sprint to his friends and grab the keys? also police seemed focused on a car with damage, maybe it was a shabby old run around car they all used?

It’s a scenario I can definitely see happening. Esp if PS’s vehicle had some form of gps tracking he knew about.

Also, if you’re a clear concise thinker, you might think that moving a body in someone else’s car might help you in the Long run. What I mean by that is the dna evidence is in someone else’s car, someone else car is the one that might be spotted etc. So you might think it could be easier to deny anything if it wasn’t your own vehicle.

Just trying to put my mind into the mind of someone who has disposed of a body (perish the thought). I would want as little of myself or any identifying factors associated with me around the body at the time of disposal. So it does make sense as a possibility another vehicle was used. Esp an old untraceable crap box of a car.

IMO

 

[BreakingNews]

Does anyone have any further details on the accused lawyer requesting the suppression order on the grounds of the accused might self harm because of arrest?? I can’t find the article but I vaguely remember something to this effect??
Self harm is pretty drastic in regards to the beginning of the arrest. And due to his age this would not necessarily mean that he would not get paroled after serving some time. Does this hint at the real severity of the accused actions ??
Charges can often be downgraded and I’m sure the lawyer would have explained that. So why would self harm immediately be considered by the accused? Even without a body? Does VICPOL have much more evidence than they specified??

MOO. A 22 yo is more likely to react spur of the moment re self harm because a 20 year sentence would seem like an eternity. However when you consider it, he could be a free man by age 42. And that is quite young.

 

[bearbear]

It’s a scenario I can definitely see happening. Esp if PS’s vehicle had some form of gps tracking he knew about.

Also, if you’re a clear concise thinker, you might think that moving a body in someone else’s car might help you in the Long run. What I mean by that is the dna evidence is in someone else’s car, someone else car is the one that might be spotted etc. So you might think it could be easier to deny anything if it wasn’t your own vehicle.

Just trying to put my mind into the mind of someone who has disposed of a body (perish the thought). I would want as little of myself or any identifying factors associated with me around the body at the time of disposal. So it does make sense as a possibility another vehicle was used. Esp an old untraceable crap box of a car.

IMO

and if he had plans with the ute for later that evening with his gf etc and work next day, much less stress if he can just leave the ute all set up and hide the body in the locked car boot if need be, until he had time to dispose of it without suspicion, plus this is like distancing himself from the crime for awhile

 

[Dr Samoht]

Onk

In another case, we looked at the commonalities of where murderers dump their victims. Because they can be missing for so long.

In this Qld study, the results were ..

The study identified four (4) key commonalities observed in the dataset,
(1) East is the predominant direction for victim disposal;
(2) The offender's vehicle was the most common method of victim transport followed by carrying/dragging;
(3) concealment with leaf litter and local debris was the norm, followed by no attempt at concealment; and
(4) victims were moved less than 50 m from a road or track after transport.


And other things are mentioned, things they found in other studies, it is a long article but here are a few of the other things ...

84 % of disposed victims were located within 15 km of where they were killed. (A mentioned Korean study found the same percentage were located within 30 km)
No victim was dragged or carried more than a kilometre from the murder site, and no motor vehicles were used for any distances less than 50 m.
The most frequent distances a victim was carried or dragged from the crime scene were up to 100 m, this is about as far as an average person could drag or carry a deceased person according to McCluskey [31].
Where are homicide victims disposed? A study of disposed homicide victims in Queensland

In another case, we looked at the commonalities of where murderers dump their victims. Because they can be missing for so long.

In this Qld study, the results were ..

The study identified four (4) key commonalities observed in the dataset,
(1) East is the predominant direction for victim disposal;
(2) The offender's vehicle was the most common method of victim transport followed by carrying/dragging;
(3) concealment with leaf litter and local debris was the norm, followed by no attempt at concealment; and
(4) victims were moved less than 50 m from a road or track after transport.


And other things are mentioned, things they found in other studies, it is a long article but here are a few of the other things ...

84 % of disposed victims were located within 15 km of where they were killed. (A mentioned Korean study found the same percentage were located within 30 km)
No victim was dragged or carried more than a kilometre from the murder site, and no motor vehicles were used for any distances less than 50 m.
The most frequent distances a victim was carried or dragged from the crime scene were up to 100 m, this is about as far as an average person could drag or carry a deceased person according to McCluskey [31].
Where are homicide victims disposed? A study of disposed homicide victims in Queensland

Only my conjecture but I would looking at the dams on the old Whitehorse Rd tip adjacent to the Yarrowee river , the accused would have accessed the area by travelling west the entire length of Recreation Rd Mt Clear , turned right in Geelong Rd for 60 metres then left into Whitehorse Rd heading west towards Sebastopol then turning left down the remote mostly unused Frenchman’s Lane .
This is the bottom south west corner of Mt Clear and is an area subjected to much rubbish dumping.
The dams are most probably fenced .
Keep going south through the hamlet of Magpie till you hit the Ballarat to Buninyong Rd and you are a few short minutes to the Scotsburn property .

 

[OptimusLime]

Reading that, seems like not having cadaver dogs is a long way down the list of problems there - unstaffed local cop shop, who weren’t listening to messages or forwarding calls, the request for search resources turned down etc.

I live in a regional area and it's severely understaffed. I was working as a night duty RN at a large aged care facility in northern tablelands NSW, (220 beds). Men were on the roof trying to get into the facility at night. I rang 000 at 0200 hrs. They took 4 hours to come out. Betwe myself and 7 staff, we were able to keep them out. There was only 2 police on at night, and they were bogged out in the middle of nowhere. Just an example. Cadaver dogs are probably not on the list, though my state has them. I was broken into last year and the message was forwarded to a cop shop 100km away.
Rural crime is not great. Increased accessibility to illicit drugs, car theft, and really brazen youth crime. Ballarat has a pretty decent sized force given it's a large rural city. I just really hope that resources used will find SM. There's another missing woman in the area, in link below, I hope to goodness SMs case also brings to light her case too.

Do you know where missing Ballarat woman Sarah is?

She was last seen on Tuesday, December 19.

www.thecourier.com.au

'We need action now': regional crime gap keeps growing

Crime rates between the country and city are getting worse in NSW as Australia's first women's safety commissioner begins work to address family violence.

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[Dr Samoht]

MOO. A 22 yo is more likely to react spur of the moment re self harm because a 20 year sentence would seem like an eternity. However when you consider it, he could be a free man by age 42. And that is quite young.

His dads age

 

[Deleted member 340727]

Re status

He was the master of his own life as we all are.

Parents cared for him and paid expensive fees for private schools.
They provided him with accommodation at their house.
He could continue education if he was so interested in IT.
This profession pays a loooot.
But then, university studies need hard work, not constant indulging in booze and drugs.

Parents achieved their status by hard work and with 3 kids to raise.
They should be proud.

JMO

Thank you for providing that information.

 

[Rumination1]

Whatever the deal here I pray for clarity for the families sale as soon as poss

 

[louisepiglet]

This is my theory. Samantha is running and a car hoons past her. She yells out something to the effect of "slow down you effing idiot". PS is pissed off (either already was or this is the cause). He turns around and either gets out to confront her and some kind of assault occurs (king hit?) or drives at her and hits her.(either on purpose or accidentally). There maybe trail cam footage that films the attack but doesn't get all the details of the car. Police would describe this as deliberate because PS made the decision to confront her. Police have gone with the max charge so they have wriggle room to downgrade in order to find Samantha's body. My 2 cents. IMO

 

[Deleted member 340727]

MOO. A 22 yo is more likely to react spur of the moment re self harm because a 20 year sentence would seem like an eternity. However when you consider it, he could be a free man by age 42. And that is quite young.

Could the meter climb due to the alleged perp. non-cooperation and silence? MOO

 

[Dotta]

So...
In August there will be pretrial, right?
Like guilty/not guilty plea?

And what about the date of trial?
In case he pleads NG.

It can be far far in the future I'm afraid.
With change of venue I suppose.

 

[nightpaw]

It’s a scenario I can definitely see happening. Esp if PS’s vehicle had some form of gps tracking he knew about.

Also, if you’re a clear concise thinker, you might think that moving a body in someone else’s car might help you in the Long run. What I mean by that is the dna evidence is in someone else’s car, someone else car is the one that might be spotted etc. So you might think it could be easier to deny anything if it wasn’t your own vehicle.

Just trying to put my mind into the mind of someone who has disposed of a body (perish the thought). I would want as little of myself or any identifying factors associated with me around the body at the time of disposal. So it does make sense as a possibility another vehicle was used. Esp an old untraceable crap box of a car.

IMO

Interesting points.
I’m stuck on why move the body at all??
Allegedly the incident happened in a remote area, with no witnesses, accused not known to police in a substantial way and not connected to the victim in any definite way (thus far has/has not fully been established). Why not just walk or drive off??