Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #10

[BreakingNews]

To add...

I remember posting that it is possible the accused took the victim's body late in the afternoon/early evening to conceal.
(I wrote about dusk approaching)

And it seems Police's theory is that he drove with the body AFTER 5 pm.
AFTER tossing the phone to the dam!!!

My Goodness!

Was he (allegedly) keeping her in the car for soooo many hours?
8 am - 5 pm

Or was the victim relocated?

But,
in case of relocation,
the chances of being witnessed increase.

OR
The attack allegedly happened when the accused was returning home on foot
(and had his phone - pings in the are of the crime),
and
later returned with a car,
retrieved the body
but left his phone at home
(no pings to lead to Samatha).

Allegedly.

JMO

In the heat during that day, I can't think of anything worse than keeping a body in a car all day. My thoughts would be to drop her body down the nearest mine shaft and take her phone. Then later in the day think maybe i need to get rid of her phone and threw it in the dam. But I'm not a murderer, so I'm just guessing.

 

[ProfCluezo]

In the heat during that day, I can't think of anything worse than keeping a body in a car all day. My thoughts would be to drop her body down the nearest mine shaft and take her phone. Then later in the day think maybe i need to get rid of her phone and threw it in the dam. But I'm not a murderer, so I'm just guessing.

Agree completely that keeping a body in the car in such heat would seem implausible….

But JMO…

 

[Sor Juana]

I was just going on the current thought process (by some), that it may have coincided with the phone ping. Do we know for sure that the ping is tied to the phone being put in the dam? I don't believe we do. It didn't send pings throughout the day (as far as the public know), so why would it ping at that point? Was it turned back on then for some reason? To erase something? To turn off the location, internet or any tracking apps?

RSBM.
Just a theory: A phone periodically issues pings as part of its normal connectivity and location-tracking functions. Additionally, some apps ping their servers to refresh content and update data. If a phone hadn't connected for some time and then suddenly issued a ping, it might have been hidden underground or in a metal box.

PS might have initially hidden Samantha's body in one of the mines, keeping her phone in a metal toolbox. Later, he found a suitable place to dispose of the phone. He could have taken the phone earlier while driving around the dam, which is when the phone issued a ping. The disposal could have occurred anytime after that event, possibly after sunset when no one could see him trespassing on the property. By then, the phone might have been out of charge. JMO

 

[ProfCluezo]

So phones in a metal box don’t ping?

 

[BreakingNews]

DBM

 

[Rocket333]

The thing about the dusk has to be repeated often, HB.. round earth and all that, it all seems to be sometimes a great surprise to find that February is not winter all around the world.. 36 Lat. South.. There would still be light after sunset, for about 40 mins... it was a very hot day, too..

I keep saying dusk so thanks for the reminder for us flat earthers in the north without daylight saving. haha

 

[BreakingNews]

Clarifying about dusk.
On 4 February in Ballarat, the sun set at 7.35pm, and twilight completed at 9.16pm. Dusk was nowhere near 5 pm.

Sunrise, Sunset, Astronomical Twilight Times, Sun Transit 2024 – Ballarat Municipal Observatory and Museum

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[Cedars]

I'd be interested to know what kind of terrain they were jogging on.. from the list, it appears to be suburban, but that may be just for location purposes, maybe they were out in national parks near cities, I would like to know this..

And in what weather.. that would be crucial, I think... the season, etc.. .. I once got lost just walking thru a golf course in Toronto i ( Scarborough ) in winter, I could not believe the sudden whiteout , a typical tourist accident coming up , was my first thought. I wouldn't see a battalion of murderers coming up to me. .

I'd say the joggers are attacked in or very close to populated areas. The murders definitely happen somewhere that is not busy, where the attack and killing will be unobserved...

I have always felt safer hiking in more wild areas. I've only ever heard of one case in those circumstances, in the US.

As far as weather, probably not snowstoms. But a woman survived an attack in Toronto this March, it was well below zero, with flurries, and she was out at 6 am, before sunrise.

Another woman in Toronto, age 76, was jogging along a quiet street when a passing cyclist repeatedly rammed her. It seems to have been just pointless aggression.

Toronto police seek bicyclist who attacked 76-year-old jogger

Police said the woman suffered from substantial injuries due to the assault in December south of the University of Toronto campus.

www.thestar.com

JMO

 

[Trooper]

In the heat during that day, I can't think of anything worse than keeping a body in a car all day. My thoughts would be to drop her body down the nearest mine shaft and take her phone. Then later in the day think maybe i need to get rid of her phone and threw it in the dam. But I'm not a murderer, so I'm just guessing.

The heat of the day.. remember that terrific heat wave a few days later from when Ms Murphy went missing? 42 Degrees C, a hot fierce northerly, wind , fires to the west and north, dry lightning, I was convinced the body had been underground, or underwater, until a bit of a talking to from a science mad friend pointed out that yes, water heats up too, not just the ground and the air, that heated water throws up bodies that have sunk. ... So I have discarded the idea that water was involved, to a certain extent.

In one way of looking at things, that' s why the police did not drain the dams, back in Feb /March, any body in a dam would have floated up during that heat wave...

 

[Trooper]

a lot of things happen to a body underwater, and when you add heat into the equation, it's almost a lay down misere that whatever body was put into any dam in AU in Feb would be visible in a matter of days. Sorry to be graphic. My apologies.

( I'll get my hat and coat, now )

 

[Sor Juana]

So phones in a metal box don’t ping?

If the toolbox (or metal box) was tightly closed, it could block the phone's ability to send or receive signals. Also, if PS was in an area with sparse coverage, this would further complicate connectivity. The phone would likely ping momentarily when taken out of confinement and placed in an area with less interference. One possible explanation for the 5pm ping after a long silence could be that the phone was taken out of the metal box at 5pm. However, it wasn't necessarily thrown into the dam at that moment; it may have been put back into the box until it was dark.

UPD. Just adding another thought: PS could have checked at 5pm to see if the phone was still running. He probably wanted to dispose of it only when it was completely dead to ensure it couldn't be located. Sometimes, iPhones can be tracked even in water. Apple's "Find My" service can help locate a device if it has an active internet connection. If the phone is submerged in water but in a shallow or clear enough area where signals can penetrate, it might still be locatable for a short time.

 

[nightrider17]

The heat of the day.. remember that terrific heat wave a few days later from when Ms Murphy went missing? 42 Degrees C, a hot fierce northerly, wind , fires to the west and north, dry lightning, I was convinced the body had been underground, or underwater, until a bit of a talking to from a science mad friend pointed out that yes, water heats up too, not just the ground and the air, that heated water throws up bodies that have sunk. ... So I have discarded the idea that water was involved, to a certain extent.

That makes sense - more and more pointing to the mines -which maybe too labour intensive to search just randomly. IMO

I wonder what the dogs picked up along the fence line??? did PS take a leak near the bushes as a good alibi to be just randomly standing there in the late afternoon??

If these dogs are "tech dogs" what "tech" are they detecting near the fence line?

New AFP tech dogs taking a bite out of crime | Australian Federal Police

They have a nose for sniffing out crime and this year the AFP’s detection dogs have detected cash hidden under stairs, sim cards concealed in shoes and USBs buried in eskies full of food. The AFP detection dog program added four fully trained dogs this year, making the capability more than 100...

www.afp.gov.au

So they can pick up the sent of money - was a coin dropped there out of the wallet??

SIM cards, drugs, does he smoke?? usb ??? JMO

 

[Trooper]

This makes me so angry, that I had to return to bung it up ... '

https://twitter.com/x/status/1797444246930329923

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Samantha Murphy mystery is starting to unravel

Whether it works or not, a mud-splattered phone found at a dam could finally help solve the mysterious disappearance of Samantha Murphy, almost four months to the day after she vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How the baffling mystery of Samantha Murphy's disappearance is starting to unravel as a new clue firms up theory on where her body was dumped.​

 

[Rocket333]

I keep saying dusk so thanks for the reminder for us flat earthers in the sunny northern land of queens.

a lot of things happen to a body underwater, and when you add heat into the equation, it's almost a lay down misere that whatever body was put into any dam in AU in Feb would be visible in a matter of days. Sorry to be graphic. My apologies.

( I'll get my hat and coat, now )

Wow that’s very educational. I was all water until this post. Too arduous to dig; too hot to submerge; too time consuming, and risky with the fire ban to burn (?), so I’m back to the air balloon, or the mineshaft or pre existing hole…
If on or in the ground within the Ballarat immediate locality, what’s the chances of Sam being found by now by searchers, dogs, or the general public?

 

[Trooper]

Wow that’s very educational. I was all water until this post. Too arduous to dig; too hot to submerge; too time consuming, and risky with the fire ban to burn (?), so I’m back to the air balloon, or the mineshaft or pre existing hole…

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Sorry.. graphic, again , but much more detail and far more intricate than I could offer, but it does go to explaining why the dams were not drained artificially ( as opposed to natural drainage from evaporation due to summer heat ( Feb being middle summer ) .. it may be of interest to you.

Or not.

 

[Sor Juana]

How the baffling mystery of Samantha Murphy's disappearance is starting to unravel as a new clue firms up theory on where her body was dumped.

In the article:

The Durham nature reserve is just south of Buninyong where Ms Murphy's phone was last detected by mobile phone towers at 5pm on the day she vanished.
The location of the phone firms-up the police theory Ms Murphy's killer likely dumped it in the dam before heading into the Durham reserve to dispose of her body.

The phone could contain information ranging from an indication to the actual location Ms Murphy died to video footage or images of her last moments alive.
While extracting data from a waterlogged phone is difficult, it is not impossible given the right amount of experience and financial backing.
It is understood Victoria Police will spare no expense to extract what they can from the phone, including possibly sending it overseas to international experts in the field.
'Chop-off' analysis has traditionally been chosen as an effective data recovery method for damaged devices, including water-damaged phones.
In a paper titled 'Forensic Analysis of Water Damaged Mobile Devices' published by the Netherlands Forensic Institute, experts say recovery of data is very much possible.

Why do they think the body was disposed of after the phone? Or do they mean it was re-hidden somewhere more inaccessible?

 

[Dr Samoht]

Wow
Your post reminded me of American film "Concussion" based on facts
where Dr. Bennett Omalu
(Will Smith), connected the head/brain injuries suffered by athletes with 'chronic traumatic encephalopathy' to the symptoms of depression and violent behaviour.

JMO

Not to mention possible concussions suffered during his brief junior Aussie rules football career with local club Redan U19’s

 

[mondayschild]

Why do they think the body was disposed of after the phone? Or do they mean it was re-hidden somewhere more inaccessible?

SM's watch data? Other data from alleged murderer re movements or a very obvious 'gap' in his digital footprint?