SBI probe into possible juror misconduct

[Talina]

BBM

As I was reading along, here, during the trial, I think I saw several WS posters coming to the same conclusion about the size 10 shoe prints, prior to the 48 Hours show. If this is the case, then there's no reason to think that the Jury wouldn't have had the same thoughts.

Exactly. This was discussed over and over on several forums. Lawd, we spent hours and days it seemed like discussing the issue with the shoes until some people were :banghead: and many had the same conclusion being stated by the jurors, just as you said.

IMO

 

[cody100]

Whichever side of the fence anyone was standing, everyone should want a clean, unbiased verdict. This jury accepted the puzzle interpretation of the evidence. The last jury appeared to ignore the puzzle interpretation and examined each piece of evidence seperately.

In any case, those numbers thrown out on FB on Monday were shockingly similar to the numbers the jury (at least the fore person) said happened during the deliberation of their verdict, and strikingly similar numbers came out on Tuesday after the FB incident. How did that leak out when jurors were definitely not to be in contact with anyone about this case during the entire trial, including deliberation.

Perhaps it was just luck that they hit some numbers right. Is that not too many coincidences not to be a red flag. This incident needs to be examined by SBI in detail to assure everyone that jury misconduct did not occur. More importantly, they need to assure the public that jury tampering did not occur.

I hate this for the Fishers and hope it turns out to be nothing. But, my gut tells me this could be serious. Let's hope it is nothing.

 

[~n/t~]

Whichever side of the fence anyone was standing, everyone should want a clean, unbiased verdict. This jury accepted the puzzle interpretation of the evidence. The last jury appeared to ignore the puzzle interpretation and examined each piece of evidence seperately.

In any case, those numbers thrown out on FB on Monday were shockingly similar to the numbers the jury (at least the fore person) said happened during the deliberation of their verdict, and strikingly similar numbers came out on Tuesday after the FB incident. How did that leak out when jurors were definitely not to be in contact with anyone about this case during the entire trial, including deliberation.

Perhaps it was just luck that they hit some numbers right. Is that not too many coincidences not to be a red flag. This incident needs to be examined by SBI in detail to assure everyone that jury misconduct did not occur. More importantly, they need to assure the public that jury tampering did not occur.

I hate this for the Fishers and hope it turns out to be nothing. But, my gut tells me this could be serious. Let's hope it is nothing.

I agree regardless of what side we're on, we want to know that we can trust our courts and jury.

I think it's ironic that the jurors didn't believe in coincidences in Jason's trial and it was one of the reasons they convicted.

Is it a coincidence that the post was exactly what the jurors said the count was? If not, I want the person who guessed the guilty vs not guilty to play my lottery numbers.:what:

 

[LOMom]

I agree regardless of what side we're on, we want to know that we can trust our courts and jury.

I think it's ironic that the jurors didn't believe in coincidences in Jason's trial and it was one of the reasons they convicted.

Is it a coincidence that the post was exactly what the jurors said the count was? If not, I want the person who guessed the guilty vs not guilty to play my lottery numbers.:what:

The count was not correct. There was never a 7 not guilty, 5 guilty vote. There was only ever 1 juror that voted NG and early on Friday, that woman moved to "undecided". After that, there was never a juror in the NG column.

 

[cody100]

That is true, but looking at the big picture, her numbers were correct. She said NG instead of undecided. Looking at the puzzle, not all pieces have to be there to be believable.

I know I would never have been able to guess those numbers, just the numbers alone, let alone make a prediction on the guilty side. Someone has some explaining. MOO

 

[~n/t~]

That is true, but looking at the big picture, her numbers were correct. She said NG instead of undecided. Looking at the puzzle, not all pieces have to be there to be believable.

I know I would never have been able to guess those numbers, just the numbers alone, let alone make a prediction on the guilty side. Someone has some explaining. MOO

I was just about to post what she said:

"My hairdresser is friends with a jury member on the JY trial. They are now deadlocked at 9 Guilty 3 Not Guilty. It was 7 Not Guilty 5 Guilty!" according to one message posted around noon Monday.

In another post around 1 a.m., the same Facebook user wrote: "My hairdresser is friends with a woman on the jury. She was supposedly texting her telling her how the vote was going."

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10820046/


Stella's post transcribing the foreperson's interview: bbm

9/3 10/2 11/1 finally got to unanimous 12/12 then after lunch asked JS for 20 minutes to pray over it and mull over it individually to make sure were all fine with our verdict - took a couple more votes after the break and everyone was sure in their verdict.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Guilty of first degree murder/verdict watch #2


Too much of a coincidence imo.

 

[jackleg]

Totally. Someone couldn't make those numbers up.

Too bad the judge will likely deny the mistrial motion. He made it clear he didn't like Jason.

Also, I can't believe the forewoman went on TV stating that she blatantly disregarded the instruction about him not testifying and that she didn't follow the law. Insane Development.... albeit not very surprising.

 

[cody100]

She said there was 1 NG in her first interview. She said 4 men G, 1 woman G on first vote. That is 5 Guilty. She then said 1 was NG. The others were unsure. By end of Friday I believe it was 7 G and 5 Unsure.

I am confused and need to hear both interviews.

 

[LOMom]

Totally. Someone couldn't make those numbers up.

Too bad the judge will likely deny the mistrial motion. He made it clear he didn't like Jason.

Also, I can't believe the forewoman went on TV stating that she blatantly disregarded the instruction about him not testifying and that she didn't follow the law. Insane Development.... albeit not very surprising.

If it did not impact the verdict, why is it "too bad"? He's guilty.

 

[Talina]

Totally. Someone couldn't make those numbers up.

Too bad the judge will likely deny the mistrial motion. He made it clear he didn't like Jason.

Also, I can't believe the forewoman went on TV stating that she blatantly disregarded the instruction about him not testifying and that she didn't follow the law. Insane Development.... albeit not very surprising.

If a juror did do this, then it is jury misconduct. However, all juror misconduct is not grounds for a mistrial. At least that is my understanding from reading posts by lawyers about this subject. It also sounds like the bar is set even higher once the verdict is read. Unless the misconduct influenced the outcome, a retrial being ordered at this point doesn't seem very likely at all.

If a juror was texting someone letting them know the verdict counts as they transpired throughout the deliberations - is this misconduct? Absolutely. Did it influence the outcome? I don't see how it could have.

IMO

 

[kljohnson0458]

I had missed this until a friend told me on FB last night that there was an investigation. I pray this does not affect this verdict in any way shape or form but I take what people post on FB with a grain of salt. I hope they investigage this poster and find it to be totally BS. Most likely, it is. JMO Some people just need to put themselves in the spotlight.

 

[Mama-cita]

The 9/3, 10/2, 11/1, 12/0 all happened on MONDAY. Are we to believe a juror texted during Monday's deliberations, to their HAIRDRESSER to give them a status update? That's preposterous. Also people are saying "ooh the Facebook posts got the numbers right" (which actually they didn't but anyway) but there are only 6 possible ways the vote can go with 12 people. You take out 12/0(0/12)(since they hadn't decided yet) and you have only 5 ways. Not a huge coincidence IMO

 

[OneLove]

"While we were deliberating, we started naming all of these coincidences," said juror Anthony Fuller. "It was like, 'How do you just have so many coincidences?'

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/10822718/

From the jury: " though Cassidy Young left bloody footprints around her mother's body and throughout the house, the toddler's feet and pajamas were clean by the time Michelle Young's sister discovered her body"

The above is not true. She had blood on her pyjamas and feet.

Oh no ... some think it's possible to have 150/100, like quartering an apple and having five pieces out or four ... absurd.

"I am 150 percent, absolutely positive that Jason Young did it. Michelle Young had no enemies," Axline said.

What exactly does this mean?

"He said the jury had to made its decision based on the facts and, when he saw Michelle Young's family react tearfully to the verdict, he knew they had done the right thing."

I'm not so sure we can say Michelle had NO enemies. Her former sorority sister, Michelle Money, seems to fit that description pretty well.

 

[~n/t~]

The 9/3, 10/2, 11/1, 12/0 all happened on MONDAY. Are we to believe a juror texted during Monday's deliberations, to their HAIRDRESSER to give them a status update? That's preposterous. Also people are saying "ooh the Facebook posts got the numbers right" (which actually they didn't but anyway) but there are only 6 possible ways the vote can go with 12 people. You take out 12/0(0/12)(since they hadn't decided yet) and you have only 5 ways. Not a huge coincidence IMO

I disagree. I don't know what happened and that's why it's being investigated but the 9-3 and 7-5 is too close for comfort, imo

It is my understanding that they were able to take their cellphones during breaks and lunch (read that here somewhere). I'll say :moo:

 

[Talina]

She had no problem posting that info with her real name (allegedly). Interesting.

She also says at one time the vote was 7NG 5G and not one of the jurors has said there was ever a vote of that many NGs.

I don't believe it.

 

[pjcitizen]

I'm pretty much unconcerned with this after reading the letters on WRAL from the judge saying he wasn't concerned but that he had to investigate. Also the info on the votes this woman posted is incorrect.

Looks like this is just fodder for the JY supporters to cling onto on those crazy unmoderated sites and try to discredit the jury.

I hope the Fishers are not concerned with this at all and I hope the jury is not being inconvenienced.

 

[~n/t~]

I'm pretty much unconcerned with this after reading the letters on WRAL from the judge saying he wasn't concerned but that he had to investigate. Also the info on the votes this woman posted is incorrect.

Looks like this is just fodder for the JY supporters to cling onto on those crazy unmoderated sites and try to discredit the jury.

I hope the Fishers are not concerned with this at all and I hope the jury is not being inconvenienced.

Why would an alleged friend of the hairdresser who is supposedly on the jury be a supporter of Jason if she voted guilty? I don't get that. Am I missing something?

 

[Talina]

Why would an alleged friend of the hairdresser who is supposedly on the jury be a supporter of Jason if she voted guilty? I don't get that. Am I missing something?

I don't think that is what PJ meant. I think PJ meant that the person posting this on FB or the hairdresser and making these allegations of a juror doing this is/could be a JY supporter.

IMO

 

[Talina]

I suspect JR has received a call or door knock from SBI by now.

IMO

 

[EGirl]

I had missed this until a friend told me on FB last night that there was an investigation. I pray this does not affect this verdict in any way shape or form but I take what people post on FB with a grain of salt. I hope they investigage this poster and find it to be totally BS. Most likely, it is. JMO Some people just need to put themselves in the spotlight.

Mornin' sweetpea.