SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[kimlynn]

We're leaving aside the cop for now. Before then. Has it occurred to you that she might have wanted a confrontation? As a new student,to demonstrate her cred ? She wasn't "apologetic" until the cop came, and even then saying I didn't do anything wrong is a whole new definition of being apologetic.

But before. The teacher did what he did, right or wrong. In comes the VP. Explain how defying the VP was OK?

I posted a link in the other thread and I'm not going to hunt it down,but it was the male students telling of events and he said she was apologetic to the administrator.So just to be clear...it was according to the male student,tears,apologetic and saying I didn't do anything wrong to the administrator.
I can't speak to her motive. All I know at this point from what has been conveyed is she only had her phone out for a moment and thought she wasn't in the wrong.
She may have just felt very strongly that she was in the right. IMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

The article above says she refused to put her phone away.

And this article says she already had put her phone away.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-girl-thrown-punishment-unfair-20151029-story.html

 

[vestigare]

The issue was not the phone. The issue was that the teacher and then the vice principal asked her to leave the room and go to the office. Surely even a 'new student' knew how to do that.

The issue was the phone.
There is a legal phrase for this: sine qua non causation.

 

[katydid23]

I'm not sure if I can say this as a fact because it's via twitter, but there is talk of a walkout on Monday in support of the student who was assaulted. If this is true it will be interesting to see how that's handled and if these kids get the same respect, space, and leniency the group who walked out yesterday were allowed.

There is also a demonstration at the Statehouse on the same day. That one is official.

JMO.

What are they walking out for now? He has already been fired and is under investigation by three agencies. What reason are they giving for the walkout?

 

[kimlynn]

But not in the middle of class time, when the others need to learn the equations needed for graduation.

If she wanted to express her hurt feelings over being called out for looking at her phone, that's fine. But after class, not during other people's time.

If only the teacher had taken her aside after class...yep.

 

[JeannaT]

When I was in high school we didn't get conduct grades; that was more for elementary school but any sort of behavior like this girl displayed would have earned an hour or more talking to the guidance councilor. But as bluesneakers provided a link for there seems to not be an emphasis on school guidance councilors anymore because they would rather spend money on cops.

When I was in school the "guidance counselor" did things like help out with schedule planning, applying for college, etc. I'm not sure we had someone if you were suffering from depression or other mental illness, or difficult home life, etc., or needed basically a socialworker. Now, there are "parent support specialists", who serve as counselors to parents, and also several counselors who routinely see students for crises of some kind, help them get food, clothing, pay for SAT testing if they can't afford it, find them some place to live if they're homeless, etc. You also ALWAYS hear that if anyone skins their knee on campus extra counselors will be on staff to help students who are too traumatized by it to continue.

 

[Hope4More]

I care. I think even children have the right to have their impressions and feelings taken into account.

I care too. I care that she obviously has problems and is angry, but I ALSO care that the other kids in the class were made to feel unsafe because of her defiance, even before the cop entered the classroom. These kids didn't encourage her. They tried to persuade her to leave the classroom. Why do you think they did that?

 

[bluesneakers]

And this article says she already had put her phone away.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-girl-thrown-punishment-unfair-20151029-story.html

And this from his lawyer.

Fields’ attorney denied the deputy had done anything wrong. “We believe that Mr. Fields’ actions were carried out professionally and that he was performing his job duties within the legal threshold,” his attorney, Scott J. Hayes, said in a statement.

LOLOLOL.

 

[vestigare]

True but do her feelings and impressions of the events not count because of her age?

Her feelings and impressions apparently don't count because they don't jibe with all these "authority figures" and we all have to unquestioningly "respect" "authority."

 

[vestigare]

The article above says she refused to put her phone away.

I don't see her phone out in any of the videos. Where did it go?

 

[Hope4More]

The issue was the phone.
There is a legal phrase for this: sine qua non causation.

No, the issue was not the phone, sorry. She had already been written up for that. The misdemeanor she is still being charged with is disrupting the class.

 

[popsicle]

Actually, if she thought the teacher was being unfair, she could have left class as instructed and plead her case at the VP's office. imo

 

[Sonya610]

If only the teacher had taken her aside after class...yep.

If only she was capable of following SIMPLE instructions and had a hint of respect for authority.

Apparently ignoring the teacher's demand is not a big deal, neither is ignoring the principals demand/order, and then a police officer came in and she blatantly ignored his demand too.

And everyone is to blame EXCEPT her? Wow!

 

[kimlynn]

I care too. I care that she obviously has problems and is angry, but I ALSO care that the other kids in the class were made to feel unsafe because of her defiance, even before the cop entered the classroom. These kids didn't encourage her. They tried to persuade her to leave the classroom. Why do you think they did that?

Those kids reactions seemed very muted. I couldn't understand why the student behind the student being grappled by LE didn't even look up with all the noise of the desk being moved about. Very strange and goes against human nature to want to look.
The only time she moved and looked was when she almost got creamed by the desk thanks to the officer flinging desk and student around regardless of safety.
As to why the students wanted her to leave...they knew what was coming because they had experienced it in the past?
Sad really.IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

No, the issue was not the phone, sorry. She had already been written up for that. The misdemeanor she is still being charged with is disrupting the class.

Hard not to disrupt the class when you and your desk are being thrown about the room.

JMO.

 

[katydid23]

The issue was the phone.
There is a legal phrase for this: sine qua non causation.

The original issue was the phone. It became more than just the phone as time went on. And I do not believe the ' if not this, then nothing' clause holds true here. She broke a rule, refused to accept the consequences, which were that she hand over the phone, but it became more than that as she continued to deny requests from the teacher and administrators. A VP can ask you to leave a class and come to the office any time that he decides he needs to speak to you there. ANY TIME. It was not about the phone at that point. It was about being disruptive.

 

[katydid23]

Hard not to disrupt the class when you and your desk are being thrown about the room.

JMO.

HOw long did it take for it to get that far? How many requests did she refuse to honor?

 

[vestigare]

When I was in school the "guidance counselor" did things like help out with schedule planning, applying for college, etc. I'm not sure we had someone if you were suffering from depression or other mental illness, or difficult home life, etc., or needed basically a socialworker. Now, there are "parent support specialists", who serve as counselors to parents, and also several counselors who routinely see students for crises of some kind, help them get food, clothing, pay for SAT testing if they can't afford it, find them some place to live if they're homeless, etc. You also ALWAYS hear that if anyone skins their knee on campus extra counselors will be on staff to help students who are too traumatized by it to continue.

We had councilors who had degrees in Psychology. I am sure that school board has someone on staff somewhere who does this. They might be a roving councilor.

 

[vestigare]

And this from his lawyer.



LOLOLOL.

Yeah that is his lawyers job. I don't know if Fields was a member of a union (probably not since he was fired so quickly) but you can bet they will be suing to get his job back and back pay.
This is going to end up costing that town a heap of money all because some teacher couldn't handle his job and the admin was so weak.

 

[kimlynn]

If only she was capable of following SIMPLE instructions and had a hint of respect for authority.

Apparently ignoring the teacher's demand is not a big deal, neither is ignoring the principals demand/order, and then a police officer came in and she blatantly ignored his demand too.

And everyone is to blame EXCEPT her? Wow!

Nope...no one said everyone is to blame except her. Just discussing possible reasons for the actions of the players and other methods that may have had a different end result.
Same as we do for all cases here. IMO