SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[DexterMorgan]

I believe humans should be capable of following age appropriate legal based instructions, and held accountable if they blatantly disregard those instructions. When a police officer has the legal right to tell you that you MUST leave an area and you refuse, being manhandled as you are removed seemed quite reasonable IMO.

If this 17 year old was NOT capable of following age appropriate instructions she should have been in a special needs class, or possibly in an institution for the mentally impaired.

Should she be locked up with the criminally insane as well?

 

[bluesneakers]

Look at his left hand trap her as she tried to stand and then the left hand goes underneath the table part of the desk to maximize the flip. Jmo.

And the choke hold is what made her try to rise up in the first place. Jmo.

I don't think she was reaching up to hit him. I think it was just the way he flung her backwards. If you're about to lose your balance, what do you automatically do? It was simply a reflex on her part.

Or do you mean she tried to stand up?

JMO.

 

[Hope4More]

The 2007 case against Fields related to adults, not students, but IMO rang at least somewhat true, no matter that he ultimately wasn't held responsible.

If even somewhat true, the charges were very disturbing. His use of force was against a husband and wive, active military, who were Iraq war veterans. The initial complaint was minor- loud noise/music, but the situation ended up with the husband being pepper sprayed and the wife assaulting a police officer.

Two points come to mind really quickly for me. One is that, with all due respect, the fact is these scenarios are playing out in a region with some history relating to these matters. Anyone who makes immediate conclusions about what happened in 2007 is ignoring all kinds of complexity, including mistrust on BOTH sides of the racial divide that.

The second conclusion is what has become my mantra on this story. It is very simply a very bad idea to criminalize unruly student behavior and to send cops in who are trained in how to deal with adults assisting arrest, not a defiant angry teenagee with a serious attitude problem.

 

[Sonya610]

[/B] So all the 17 yr old's you know follow directions and are perfect angels right? Smh. Special needs and mentally impaired should not even have been brought into this at all!

All of the past and present 17 year olds I have known DID have a basic respect for authority, and they wouldn't dare a cop to physically remove them.

That doesn't make them "perfect angels" but it does make them sensible and rational teenagers. Like I said, if she was incapable of following simple instructions from a law enforcement officer then she should have been in a special class/facility.

 

[desertmama]

Again, disturbing and frightening responses.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That's not what the article said. The one student interviewed said the whole situation was scary, which it was, and scariest at the end because they were forced to witness a violent confrontation.

As for her telling the cop " I don't even know who you are" ?! WTH. Now cops need to introduce themselves and hand out business cards?

I watched the whole video thinking I must have missed something. I don't see anyplace where the student says he was scared before the SRO showed up. It seems to me that the scary situation he refers to is the one where the SRO is manhandling the girl.

He also says that the girl who defended the student just said what everyone else in the class was thinking, that the way the girl was being treated was wrong.

 

[gdeyefaith]

All of the past and present 17 year olds I have known DID have a basic respect for authority, and they wouldn't dare a cop to physically remove them.

That doesn't make them "perfect angels" but it does make them sensible and rational teenagers. Like I said, if she was incapable of following simple instructions from a law enforcement officer then she should have been in a special class/facility.

You know respecting authority doesn't just mean obeying the cops. So the 17 yr olds you know all obeyed everything their parent's or teachers told them to do? Highly doubt it.

 

[bluesneakers]

That's not what the article said. The one student interviewed said the whole situation was scary, which it was, and scariest at the end because they were forced to witness a violent confrontation.

As for her telling the cop " I don't even know who you are" ?! WTH. Now cops need to introduce themselves and hand out business cards?

And who forced them to witness it? Officer Fields. You can see the way he handles the situation he does not care one bit about anyone's safety. Look at the kid sitting in the desk behind her.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

What I find disturbing, and actually very frightening, is that so many people think it's perfectly acceptable for children (or anyone)who are clearly not being violent, to be manhandled and abused by anyone with a badge.

To me this is the heart of the matter. The idea that it is acceptable and even praiseworthy to respond to nonviolent disobedience, defiance, disruption--whatever one wants to call it--with violent force is very disturbing to me.

ETA: I'm not sure I agree that the correct response was to physically remove her from the room, but if that was the course of action chosen, it's clear to me from the video that if Officer Fields was strong enough to flip her over in the desk, he was strong enough to simply drag her, desk and all, out into the hallway. Especially if the teacher and administrator had assisted.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I don't think she was reaching up to hit him. I think it was just the way he flung her backwards. If you're about to lose your balance, what do you automatically do? It was simply a reflex on her part.

Or do you mean she tried to stand up?

JMO.

It looked like while falling backwards she pushed back to stand up while he was pulling. But he blocks her leg with his left and then uses the left to flip the desk from underneath. If you gif us one more time. Than maybe we can analyze the intent on both parts. Idk

 

[bluesneakers]

It looked like while falling backwards she pushed back to stand up while he was pulling. But he blocks her leg with his left and then uses the left to flip the desk from underneath. If you gif us one more time. Than maybe we can analyze the intent on both parts. Idk

Here ya go.

 

[DexterMorgan]

And who forced them to witness it? Officer Fields. You can see the way he handles the situation he does not care one bit about anyone's safety. Look at the kid sitting in the desk behind her.

I think the sheriff is an elected official and Fields had made most of the sheriff's constituents very angry. They really hate when things go viral. And he should have known better with the kids pointing the cameras right at him.

He would have been more discreet if he did it live on the Oprah Winfrey show or something. Lol. Just kidding on this last part.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Bluesneakers. Thanks. She tried to stand up imo. But he blocks and traps her left leg.

 

[Sonya610]

Again, disturbing and frightening responses.

I completely agree.

 

[EllieBee]

Those kids reactions seemed very muted. I couldn't understand why the student behind the student being grappled by LE didn't even look up with all the noise of the desk being moved about. Very strange and goes against human nature to want to look.
The only time she moved and looked was when she almost got creamed by the desk thanks to the officer flinging desk and student around regardless of safety.
As to why the students wanted her to leave...they knew what was coming because they had experienced it in the past?
Sad really.IMO

This was my take on their warning, too.

These children are conditioned to violent, authoritarian abuse of power, IMO. They are broken of spirit, as I imagine was the intention of the administration.

The officer did not get his nickname for his skills at adolescent negotiation and deescalation (sp?)of potentially volatile situations. IMO.

 

[Sonya610]

Here ya go.

Great video. She was trying to fight back and she was moving fast, but not as fast as the officer was.

That is hardly a "frightened and stunned child".

 

[ohreally]

WOW! Seeing it at this angle puts it more in perspective for me. IMO she was still not willing to get out of the chair once he started to to use physical force to remove her from the chair. He manages to lift her up from the chair, but she manages to get her behind right back on the seat. He does not put a choke hold on her, but his hand does slip to her neck with her fighting him. He puts his hand under her leg to get her out, not under the chair to flip it.
At first I thought it could of been handled better if he had just taken and pushed her and the chair out of the classroom. I now don't believe she would of just sat in the chair and let it happen, making the situation worse than it ended up being.

 

[bluesneakers]

Bluesneakers. Thanks. She tried to stand up imo. But he blocks and traps her left leg.

I see what you mean now. I think you're right. I didn't notice at first how he holds her leg against the bottom of the desk top.

Can you believe the calm reaction of the student sitting behind her?

 

[CCmakes3]

Great video. She was trying to fight back and she was moving fast, but not as fast as the officer was.

That is hardly a "frightened and stunned child".

They should both be ashamed of themselves, IMO. She was looking for a confrontation and he was more than ready to throw his weight around. A perfect storm.

 

[DexterMorgan]

WOW! Seeing it at this angle puts it more in perspective for me. IMO she was still not willing to get out of the chair once he started to to use physical force to remove her from the chair. He manages to lift her up from the chair, but she manages to get her behind right back on the seat. He does not put a choke hold on her, but his hand does slip to her neck with her fighting him. He puts his hand under her leg to get her out, not under the chair to flip it.
At first I thought it could of been handled better if he had just taken and pushed her and the chair out of the classroom. I now don't believe she would of just sat in the chair and let it happen, making the situation worse than it ended up being.

The sheriff feels differently my friend. I just hope that Bessie doesn't do that to some of the posters here. Lol

Just kidding. I'm enjoying the view of thoughts for the most part. Happy Halloween to all.