SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[bluesneakers]

Just an estimate going by the number in our high school classes. Most classes are full because they do not hire a teacher unless there is a full class needed.


http://laschoolreport.com/cortines-utla-class-size-reduction-lausd-priority/


Approximately 60 algebra classes — including algebra 1A through algebra 2 — enroll more than 40 students, 30 algebra classes have 46 to 49 students, and six have between 51 and 65. Foshay Learning Center has one class of 71 students.

Where is Foshay?

 

[katydid23]

Maybe you went to a special school but we did lab experiments all the time on our own. We were even encouraged to enter science fairs etc that required independent time in the labs.

That has not been my experience at all. Kids were never allowed to access the flames and the dangerous chemicals and experiment by themselves in our district. We did have some horrible accidents which involved facial injuries and explosions so that is probably why.

 

[bluesneakers]

Why would she be singled out?

Good question. Why would she be singled out?

 

[bluesneakers]

I have never heard of that either. I think it is highly unlikely. What if the teacher has to go to the bathroom?

What if the teacher has to take a student into the hallway to discuss something in private?

 

[Hope4More]

The offender (the second girl arrested) was 18 in this case we are discussing. It matters not the age of the person you are protesting the treatment of.
Yes, anyone can arrest someone for manhandling someone else. Cops are not the only one with the power of arrest.

The more salient point being she is a student and as such in that SC school, legally obligated to obey the cop.

And the other point you missed altogether. Question wasn't about the ability to arrest for manhandling.

The question was....in this weird situation the classroom was both a classroom and a crime scene, even before Fields touched her. She had already broken the law and could be arrested, and she was a student who could also have been disciplined.

The bystander offender was a student AND a lawbreaker as soon as she didn't obey Fields.

My question was....if the teacher had tried to defend the student, verbally or otherwise, would SC law give the SRO the right to arrest him too, or is the SRO only allowed to arrest children?

 

[katydid23]

What if the teacher has to take a student into the hallway to discuss something in private?

You can stand outside the door but not leave entirely.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Well, I'd be interested in watching a case like that play out. The offending bystander was an underaged child, on school property, in a classroom, and was disturbing the classroom with her dismay. Under SC law, she was in fact obligated to obey the police officer, or be subject to arrest for disruption. There are no clauses in related SC code that make exceptions for students who object to what the cop was doing.

A cop cannot order an adult bystander on the street to pipe down, no. Can an SRO arrest a teacher for protesting the manhandling of a student? Hmm.

RBBM

I respectfully disagree with you. We are taught, even as adults if you see something, say something. In that moment what was she supposed to do? Who was she going to turn to - the teacher and VP or perhaps the officer.

I will be shocked if the second girl arrested is charged with anything. She did the right thing IMO.

 

[katydid23]

Good question. Why would she be singled out?

I don't think she was.

 

[Hope4More]

It is in our school district. But maybe it is not in SC. The reasoning is that there are grade books, private papers etc in the room that students should not have access to. Also they could tamper with something. Like in chemistry classes for example and that could be dangerous. So our teachers were required to kick all students out of their rooms if they needed to step away from the classroom. They did not always do so though.

That's policy here too, for those reasons plus the reality that open doors lead to things being stolen, including other students' possessions.

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.usnews.com/education/bes...istricts/richland-02/spring-valley-high-17710

Student to teacher ratio at Spring Valley HS is 17:1. 35 children in one class in hyperbole and false.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't think she was.

Then why was she the only one arrested?

 

[katydid23]

Where is Foshay?

Downtown area of Los Angeles

I think it is a charter school and is actually a very good school

 

[katydid23]

Then why was she the only one arrested?

I bet if he asked for another phone it was given to him with no tantrum

 

[EllieBee]

It is in our school district. But maybe it is not in SC. The reasoning is that there are grade books, private papers etc in the room that students should not have access to. Also they could tamper with something. Like in chemistry classes for example and that could be dangerous. So our teachers were required to kick all students out of their rooms if they needed to step away from the classroom. They did not always do so though.

This case is in SC.

 

[bluesneakers]

Downtown area of Los Angeles

I think it is a charter school and is actually a very good school

So not even in South Carolina at all.

 

[Hope4More]

RBBM

I respectfully disagree with you. We are taught, even as adults if you see something, say something. In that moment what was she supposed to do? Who was she going to turn to - the teacher and VP or perhaps the officer.

I will be shocked if the second girl arrested is charged with anything. She did the right thing IMO.

I am not stating my personal opinion with that. I am becoming the proverbial broken record in voicing my astonishment and dismay that students in SC are subject to arrest by a police officer coming into what I've always believed is sacrosanct,a place of learning, for misbehaving in ways that only in a dsystopian hell or an upside down world warrant arrest.

 

[vestigare]

The more salient point being she is a student and as such in that SC school, legally obligated to obey the cop.

And the other point you missed altogether. Question wasn't about the ability to arrest for manhandling.

The question was....in this weird situation the classroom was both a classroom and a crime scene, even before Fields touched her. She had already broken the law and could be arrested, and she was a student who could also have been disciplined.

The bystander offender was a student AND a lawbreaker as soon as she didn't obey Fields.

My question was....if the teacher had tried to defend the student, verbally or otherwise, would SC law give the SRO the right to arrest him too, or is the SRO only allowed to arrest children?

No, you are not legally obligated to shut up just because a cop doesn't like what you are saying.
I want to remind everyone else (lest we have confusion) we are not discussing the girl who was thrown around. We are discussing the girl who was arrested for "disturbing schools" because she said something to the cop he didn't like.

You do not have to obey unlawful orders of a cop. Unlawful would be telling me I can't speak up about what he is doing to another student. Even if using colorful language.

In this case the SRO could arrest anyone. He is a Sheriff's Deputy with full powers of arrest who just happens to work in a school for his prime duty.
He can arrest people outside of school too.

The teachers, however, are also mandatory reporters under South Carolina law so had the obligation to at least report the abuse.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Katydid23 clearly stated from the beginning reply on how she estimated the number of possible classmates that may have been in there. That is all.

 

[EllieBee]

You can stand outside the door but not leave entirely.

I know you have lots of anecdotal info to share from where you live, but it reads as if you are applying that info to this school, and it can be misleading to many readers.....

Again, please provide a link stating this is the law for Spring Valley HS. Also, that the teacher's union for this area is in favor of having SROs on campus. Please and thanks in advance..

 

[sorrell skye]

You know the story about the scorpion? I think it applies here. If you put a cop in a school you need to know he will behave like a cop.

JMO.

Exactly. A scorpion will do what is in his nature to do - in this case, the cop will view the defiant students as violent criminals, even when the student's behavior doesn't rise to the level of a violent criminal, because a cop is trained to deal with violent criminals.

Moral of the story: a scorpion will behave as a scorpion, even when circumstances don't require him to do so.