SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[KaaBoom]

I applaud those students!

Yes, applaud the students for defying school authorities and walking out of class to support a cop who was fired for beating up a girl for defying school authorities.:facepalm:

When I saw that story, I knew that the same people who were bashing the girl for challenging authorities, were going to love these students who were challenging authorities.

 

[KaaBoom]

High School students are much more violent than they were in previous generations.

Source for that information? Anyway the only violence in this case, was from the cop.

 

[EllieBee]

Hypotthetical for tthose not wanting SROs in school. If your the teacher, how do you handle this situation? You've already told the student to put the phone away. She doesn't listen. Do you conttinue to beg and plead with her? At what point do you ask for back up from the principal or vp? At what point does your authority and dignity go out the window because this studentt is so defiant? What do you do?

My authority or dignity is not the issue.

The safety and well-being of my students is primary.

The child did not pose a physical threat to other children. She did not pose a threat to anyone. She broke a rule. And getting the **** beat out of her was not the appropriate response.

I am a teacher.

 

[katydid23]

The same way they have been for a hundred years.


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Did they used to have metal detectors in schools to keep weapons off the campuses in past generations?

 

[katydid23]

Source for that information?

Just google the every day murders in Chicago, St Louis, Los Angeles, Baltimore....check the ages of the shooters. Most are teens/young adults.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

My authority or dignity is not the issue.

The safety and well-being of my students is primary.

The child did not pose a physical threat to other children. She did not pose a threat to anyone. She broke a rule. And getting the **** beat out of her was not the appropriate response.

I am a teacher.

My questionn was how would you handle that situation? Do you beg and plead with the "child" to follow the rules? When they defy you as if you were scum on their shoe, then what? A litttle love and logic? That always works.

 

[EllieBee]

Right. But those were 4th graders. Are High School teachers supposed to grapple with 17 and 18 yr olds?

There should be NO grappling of a minor child by an adult. I cannot believe anyone thinks this is ever okay.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, applaud the students for defying school authorities and walking out of class to support a cop who was fired for beating up a girl for defying school authorities.:facepalm:

When I saw that story, I knew that the same people who were bashing the girl for challenging authorities, were going to love these students who were challenging authorities.

They walked out for a total of ten minutes, then all agreed to return to their classes. I did not see any defiance. Just a quick 'shout out' of support.

If the girl with the phone had agreed to go to the office, and did a quick 10 minute 'rant' in protest, that would have been fine. No need to stretch that whole thing out the way she did. JMO

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Did they used to have metal detectors in schools to keep weapons off the campuses in past generations?

Maybe showing my age, but we got paddlings when we didn't follow rules. Most kids only need one good paddling and tthat was it. And anytime a sudent gott in trouble, the parents were tthere to back up the teacher. Nowadays, parents believe their kids do no wrong and it's the teachers fault their kid is a menace or their kid is failing. It's sad and disturbing.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

There should be NO grappling of a minor child by an adult. I cannot believe anyone thinks this is ever okay.

There should be no disrespect and defiance by a student. I cannot believe anyone thinks THAT is ok.

 

[katydid23]

There should be NO grappling of a minor child by an adult. I cannot believe anyone thinks this is ever okay.

Of course there shouldn't be. And that was my point. I was REPLYING to a post which said :

"...She was physically attacked more than once by the fourth graders she taught, an absolutely common place occurrence in that school..... Instead every teacher had to deal with the reality of being defenseless against likely assault, which made for an extremely difficult and unpleasant work environment, but one in which they learned how to manage chaos without resorting to violence."

And in reply I said that it would not work with high school students, to expect they were going to assault the teachers...

 

[EllieBee]

My questionn was how would you handle that situation? Do you beg and plead with the "child" to follow the rules? When they defy you as if you were scum on their shoe, then what? A litttle love and logic? That always works.

Why "child" in quotes? If the law defines a 17-year-old as a minor, what is your beef?

I have read threads with victims in their twenties referred to as "boy" or "kid".

And I have already outlined the path I would take with a student who broke a rule but was not a violent threat. It is on thread one.

 

[KaaBoom]

My questionn was how would you handle that situation? Do you beg and plead with the "child" to follow the rules? When they defy you as if you were scum on their shoe, then what? A litttle love and logic? That always works.

If you read through these threads, people have given dozens of solutions that the teacher could have used to handle the situation. In short, it would have been far less disruptive, for him to have just done nothing, and ignored her.

Do schools still give out conduct grades? When I was in school, something like this would have gotten me an “F” conduct grade, and my parents would have been called in for a conference with the teacher.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Why "child" in quotes? If the law defines a 17-year-old as a minor, what is your beef?

I have read threads with victims in their twenties referred to as "boy" or "kid".

And I have already outlined the path I would take with a student who broke a rule but was not a violent threat. It is on thread one.

Age of consent in SC is 16. A 17 year old is not a child IMO.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

If you read through these threads, people have given dozens of solutions that the teacher could have used to handle the situation. In short, it would have been far less disruptive, for him to have just done nothing, and ignored her.

Do schools still give out conduct grades? When I was in school, something like this would have gotten me an “F” conduct grade, and my parents would have been called in for a conference with the teacher.

Sorry, but IMO this student being so openly defiant to all authoritty figures probably doesn't give a rats about a coduct grade. And the fact she is so openly disrespectful and defiant pretty much tells me her parents (foster parents) don't much care either.

 

[bluesneakers]

Sorry, but IMO this student being so openly defiant to all authoritty figures probably doesn't give a rats about a coduct grade. And the fact she is so openly disrespectful and defiant pretty much tells me her parents (foster parents) don't much care either.

So the support for Officer Fields kids don't give a rat's about their conduct grades? Their parents don't care about them either. Maybe the SRO has been some kind of surrogate.

Jmo.


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[MIKAYOYO]

So the support for Officer Fields kids don't give a rat's about their conduct grades? Their parents don't care about them either. Maybe the SRO has been some kind of surrogate.

Jmo.


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I'm pretty sure I did't say anything about the other students. There is only ONE student in question and that is the one who didn't feel the need to follow rules, tthus SHE probably (MOO) does't much care about conductt grade.

 

[KaaBoom]

Just google the every day murders in Chicago, St Louis, Los Angeles, Baltimore....check the ages of the shooters. Most are teens/young adults.

So it’s just your opinion that HS students are more violent, based off of a handful of media reports?

Anyway the only violence in this case was from the cop.

 

[bluesneakers]

Source for that information? Anyway the only violence in this case, was from the cop.

Right? He has some issues. I hope for his sake and the safety of others he seeks counselling.

 

[KaaBoom]

Did they used to have metal detectors in schools to keep weapons off the campuses in past generations?

How many schools do that today? My guess very few, since metal detectors cost more money then most schools have. Anyway, thats more a response to the gun epidemic in this country, then to the conduct of students.