SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[bluesneakers]

Based on the rally, I imagine that many, perhaps most will hold it against her. Or are already holding it against her. I mean, those kids knew that he was fired for flipping her desk and throwing her...but they cared only about the guy who did it, and not one bit about her.

Right. She's new, most of them don't know her, and she got their beloved SRO fired. She's not going to be popular or cheered on or given hi5s. I hope she doesn't have to go back to that school.

And if she's got PTSD walking into that classroom right away is a bad idea.

 

[DeDee]

If you were treated that way would you want everyone to see it? She was thrown across the floor and knocked back in her chair.

You know what I wouldn't want everyone to see is me acting disobedient to my school teacher while ignoring her request to put away the phone, that is not legal to access during lecture hours. I would feel shameful for disrespecting my school's principal by defying the authoritative request, once again, to put the phone away and, thirdly, there is no way that I would have disobeyed a police officer's request that I get out of my desk. Those are the things this student shouldn't want to be seen go viral. If my child were in that classroom, I would immediately request either the troublemaker be removed from the class or my child, my student, be moved into a less disruptive class and placed into one more conducive for learning.

From the video that I've viewed, never in a million years could I identify her in a line-up because her face was not clearly featured in the vid. I'd like to have access to her school records since I feel certain this was not her first obstinate classroom interruption. It's just the one, of total disregard to the other students, who are there to earn an education, that went so far as to have a police officer called to perform his duty then ends up being fired for doing so.

 

[Sillybilly]

Obviously links are not always available when relating personal experience. Take it or leave it ... and move on !!

:tyou:

 

[popsicle]

Back on topic.

When do you think we'll hear something from the FBI or DOJ?

lol DOJ takes forever imo FBI won't take nearly as long. This isn't a complicated case. jmo

 

[flourish]

It becomes like a catch 22 though. In House suspensions are costly AND kids tend to enjoy them. They get to hang around and chill with their homies. Much more enjoyable than being in class.

Our school tried to make it a requirement that the in school suspension kids had to do some work. They had to do school work for a majority of the time, then were supposed to go outside and help clean up and pick up trash. Like the community service work to pay off fines, etc. But the ACLU prevented the schools from requiring them to do any labor because that was unseemly, I suppose. So all the kids could do was sit around with their buddies and enjoy themselves. Not really that much of a punishment.

It's because of child labor laws and regulations about children having to "pay" to attend public school, IMO.

I remember my first year of high school, they instituted a lunchtime tardy detention. If you got a tardy slip, you were required to go to the stage in the cafeteria at the beginning of the lunch period for five minutes. I think they thought we'd be humiliated? The result quickly became "tardy parties," with planned meetings. Also, it was kinda cool to have somewhere to chill until the initial lines died down. The lunchtime thing didn't last long.

I don't know the answers. I spent the past 14 years in classrooms with preschoolers. They throw furniture, and pee on their friends, and bite, and call me <seriously you would not believe>, but (thank goodness), at the end of the day, they're cute as hell, so that was...helpful lol.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I wish I had video of my 6th grade teacher. I was too afraid to ever report her (because if I'd only been perfect and not made her do the things she did, blah, blah) and also assumed my parents would be mad at me. But video proof? That would have put an end to it.

Anyway, back in my day:

No spankings in any of my schools. Detention was the go to punishment.

Kids didn't come to class to kill one another but they came to football games to fight. Scary stuff.

Agree. The football prep rallies in the gymnasium made students energized to want to act up at the games. Lol.

Maybe we can sue them too. Lmao

 

[popsicle]

She's not a victim in the usual sense of the word as it applies at Websleuths. Obviously, there was wrong on both sides. That said, posts that are deliberately mean-spirited won't be allowed. Posters, however, aren't prohibited from expressing the view that the officer's actions were warranted.

I'd advise that rather than continue to focus on the student, a more productive discussion would come from debating the issue of whether or not LEO's should be school monitors. In other words, focus on the issues, and not the individuals. And as always, don't expect to change anyone's mind.

"Unfortunately, our Legislature passed a law that's called 'disturbing schools,' " he [Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott] said.

"If a student disturbs school -- and that's a wide range of activities, 'disturbing schools' -- they can be arrested. Our goal has always been to see what we can do without arresting the kids. We don't need to arrest these students. We need to keep them in schools."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/us/south-carolina-school-arrest-videos/

Officers can 'break down these barriers'

"It breaks down these barriers where the law enforcement officers are seen as an enemy," said Michael Allison, a Pennsylvania high school principal and president of the National Association of Secondary School Principals. "In the majority of cases around the country, that's what school resource officers are doing every day."

Mo Canady, executive director of the National Association of School Resource Officers, said it takes a special kind of officer.

"That's one of the most unique jobs in law enforcement and it takes a very unique individual who understands that to some degree students have a different way about them sometimes," he said. "And you know, they're going to say and do things that we might not like, but are not necessarily criminal in nature."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-school-resource-officers/

And btw, if you don't want a vacay, don't respond.

PLEASE STOP THE VICTIM BLAMING. They were not suspended. They are the victims.



Students in Spring Valley Incident Allowed to Return to Class/

Perhaps Bessie's post above, will help.

 

[Tillicum]

I"m sorry to be repetitive but I'm working my way through the thread. How do you know she knew it was going to be filmed?

I think she knew. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/28/sec..._hes_known_as_officer_slam_around_our_school/

&#8220;I&#8217;ve heard about him,&#8221; ***** explained, referring to former Deputy Fields. &#8220;So I wasn&#8217;t really surprised because I&#8217;ve heard so much about him. So I &#8212; before he came to class, I was actually telling them take out your cameras because I feel like this is going to go downhill because I&#8217;ve heard so much about him,&#8221; she said, pointing to her fellow classmates who Hayes remarked looked stunned into silence in video recordings.

 

[KaaBoom]

Agree. The million dollar lawsuits usually help people to lick the wounds and move on. Agree.

Slam me for a million. Ok. Just make sure the check clears. Lol.

Maybe, but every time she has a contact with a LEO for the rest of her life, she is going to have flashbacks to this. IMHO she deserves every penny she is going to get.

 

[bessie]

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[ohreally]

I think what she needs most moving forward is a strong support system. She said the has no one. Without a support system that is about her and not some other agenda I believe a big payout could be the worst thing to happen to her. I would think that if she feels she has no one she will be an easy target for those wanting her money. Coming into big money doesn't solve her biggest problems. IMO

 

[magnolia]

Does it only count if the Sheriff said it? Because I think we can watch the video and see she was choked whether or not he explicitly uses the word himself.

*Snipped for Brevity

Thanks for the links. The Sheriff has interviewed witnesses to the incident. For people that have had no access to witness statements, I think it is a matter of opinion. I believe people are using words that don't apply in this case,IMO. Some articles I have read describes his actions as throwing the girl across the room. Other articles use the word dragging.

At the most, the incident from beginning to end only lasted a couple of minutes. His actions were very swift. Not enough time to actually choke someone,IMO. The girl was fighting him. The threat from bites and spit that might carry HIV, hepatitis B or other infectious diseases is always a concern for law enforcement officers. They are always on guard and move swiftly to try to prevent someone from biting or spitting on them.

IMO

 

[JeannaT]

Is there still a rally planned in support of the girl today at the school?

I saw in the news there was a small rally at the courthouse on Saturday, but I didn't see many who looked like a current high school student in attendance.

 

[JeannaT]

Open forum to discuss the incident will be sponsored by the "Fatherless Daughters Network" at 6 p.m. today in Columbia.

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/2015/11/02/community-forum-discusses-spring-valley-incident/75028640/

 

[Hope4More]

And the curtain comes down.....

 

[K_Z]

Media articles coming out this morning quoting Todd Rutherford (the student's attorney, who is also the SC House Minority Leader), who has revealed the student's first name, and also confirmed that her mother and grandmother are both alive, she is not an orphan, and she is in foster care.

I'm a bit confused as to whether it's okay to post links to these articles, but it's easy to use a search engine to find them.

The attorney is also representing the "other" student (NK) arrested and charged. He has set up an online donation page for her, as well, for expenses including "a car." That fund has about $3300 in it.

The misdemeanor charges that both girls face have a maximum penalty of $1000 and 90 days in jail. NK, the "second" student, has a court date in December. So the charges have not been dropped at this point in time. NK spent 8 1/2 hours in a "detention center" last Monday.

Here's more infor on Attorney Todd Rutherford:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Rutherford

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/member.php?code=1614772534

 

[Elley Mae]

Open forum to discuss the incident will be sponsored by the "Fatherless Daughters Network" at 6 p.m. today in Columbia.

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/2015/11/02/community-forum-discusses-spring-valley-incident/75028640/

This should be interesting.

 

[Elley Mae]

The two students involved in the Spring Valley incident – the young woman who was pulled from her desk and another female student, Niya Kenny, who was arrested after shouting at the deputy and school employees to stop – have been charged with disturbing schools.

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article42104361.html

Disturbing schools is the third most frequent referral offense that lands children in the South Carolina’s juvenile justice system, according to state Department of Juvenile Justice statistics from 2013-14.

Nearly 1,200 disturbing schools cases were generated statewide during that period, including 98 cases from Richland County.

Lott calls the state’s disturbing schools statute “the worst law ever passed.”

bbm

 

[Trident]

The two students involved in the Spring Valley incident &#8211; the young woman who was pulled from her desk and another female student, Niya Kenny, who was arrested after shouting at the deputy and school employees to stop &#8211; have been charged with disturbing schools.

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article42104361.html

Disturbing schools is the third most frequent referral offense that lands children in the South Carolina&#8217;s juvenile justice system, according to state Department of Juvenile Justice statistics from 2013-14.

Nearly 1,200 disturbing schools cases were generated statewide during that period, including 98 cases from Richland County.

Lott calls the state&#8217;s disturbing schools statute &#8220;the worst law ever passed.&#8221;

bbm

I agree with the bolded part. However, the fact that there were nearly 1,200 cases of "disturbing schools" tells me there is quite a problem with this sort of thing.

I could ask what people would suggest instead of landing disruptive students in the justice system, but there were was a plethora of suggestions in the past few days. I would rather ask why something isn't "state" mandated to work with the families of these disruptive students, a program that would get to the root of the problem instead of applying a rap sheet to the students - any suggestions on how to implement that sort of thing?

:cow:

 

[Hope4More]

The bystander student, in her own words :

"I was crying, like crying and screaming like a baby. I was screaming what the F, what the F, is this really happening. I was praying out loud (for her)."


I commend her for caring. I commend her for not being at all OK with what she saw, and for not staying silent.

I also think her perspective was skewed by her opinion of Fields beforehand, and that as far as what's been reported, she was not only the sole student registering any kind of protest, but the only student in the room at that point who was actively and loudly further destabilizing the classroom.

I still think she should have been taken out into the hallway by the teacher rather than being arrested, but Fields obviously knew he was on his own as the teacher and AP never intervened or assisted.