Found Deceased SC - Faye Marie Swetlik, 6, Cayce, 10 Feb 2020 #5

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I've watched every presser and probably 98% of MSM on this case and have never heard or read LE or others refer to CT as weirdness or having weird characteristics.

It was quite the opposite -- Bryon Snodgrass first reported that they had talked to CT and had been inside his home and they had no reason to suspect him.

It was only after-the-fact that they said during Tue's presser that there is video footage of him that is seen as suspicious.

Is there a link I missed or is this more fb stuff? TIA

MOO
It's anti-nerd sentiment. We worked so hard to be recognized as cool during the 90s and now it's all been undone. People see someone who builds computers and plays League of Legends and take that as a license to to accuse that "type of person" as a misogynist and worse when the house odds are heavily on him having suffered childhood trauma, as they always are in these cases regardless of what "type of person" the perpetrator appears to be. Introverts are just more likely to fly under the radar.
 
I wondered if anyone else had seen this list of unsolved crimes in Richland County, SC: Richland County Sheriff's Department Unsolved Homicides

Specifically, I noticed the Jane Doe from 3/4/2005 based on the description of where Jane Doe was found. Not terribly from from 602 Picadilly, but who knows if the deceased even lived there at that time. He also would have only been 15 years old in 2005, but I'm not sure the age means anything.
 
The rapid DNA testing is one of those things I am 50/50. PRO- Solves crimes faster!!! CON- Curbs privacy / violates citizens privacy rights

"DNA evidence is only one of many types of evidence jurors should take into account when considering a case. TV shows like "CSI" may have popularized forensic science to the point where some jurors have unrealistic expectations of DNA analysis and accord it more weight than other types of evidence. This phenomenon is sometimes called the "CSI effect." Maintaining DNA databanks can help police identify criminals, but it can also pose ethical quandaries when authorities keep samples from people who have never been accused of any crime. DNA dragnets, operations where police collect samples from a large number of people in a geographic region to find a culprit, have proven especially controversial."

I am always frightened by the thought of being judged by a jury of my peers based on so many factors, but mainly I first think of the amount of people exonerated by the Innocence Project alone who could have been put to death due to a jury's decision :(

Just think about who may end up on a jury.....sighhh
More than 30 million adults in the United States cannot read, write, or do basic math above a third-grade level. about 14% of the entire adult population cannot read. — ProLiteracy



An estimated 63 million adults read between a sixth and eighth grade level. Just 11% of men and 12% of women make the grade as proficient readers.
Well stated.
 
I took this image from Google Earth. It is from Piccadilly Drive looking at the back of the 600 block of flats. You see a bit of the woods that is at the back of where he lived. You can see where the trash probably gets set out and I think you can see that there are little wooden storage sheds/units attached to the apartments with back stairs. CT's apartment 602 is further in and not visible from this angle. But I think you can get a very good idea of what is behind these apartments.

I think it's a good theory that he may have stored her in the storage/utility unit on the back porch. It's possible that this was missed on the walkthrough by LE, if they were more concerned with the interior. JMO.

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I Believe Faye was his first victim. JMO. If he gotten away with this there might have been more. Stealing candy from the cookie jar. LE closed in on the neighborhood to0 fast..he panicked.

Another member on an earlier thread posted the link below, I can't take credit for it. Sorry I forget who posted it. Very interesting though. Composite sketch on a suspect whose description is very similar to CT's
Composite Sketch Released of Attempted Abduction Suspect
 
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I think CT had a lot of advantages on his side to evade early detection by LE.

First, he had no criminal record and was not known to police. Time was of the essence and I think individuals in the neighborhood with a record probably had priority with the canvassers interviewing residents.

It was also garbage collection day on Thursday so it would not be unusual for residents to be seen carrying garbage bags outside to their trash bins anytime Wed evening up to Thurs morning before the trucks arrive (it's believed CT moved Faye to the woods during the night).

Also, if CT was the only occupant at his apartment last week and he was gone all day or until around midnight-- as his occupation demands, he was able to delay talking with investigators for a perfectly reasonable explanation.

I recall coming home from a business trip to find a note on my door asking me to contact police after significant evidence of a crime (that occurred outside of our neighborhood) was located in our neighborhood. I contacted the police, advised I'd be home all morning, and they came the next day. I remember police confirmed my identity and looked inside my garage. On the other hand, my neighbor across the street told me police walked through her entire house -- and why I know consent searches in a neighborhood are not conducted exactly the same. IMO, it makes sense that investigators would want to protect the element of surprise during a search.

MOO
I agree with your post. First of all young single bachelor with no criminal history, manager at local business Wingstop...he probably joked around with them about coming to Wingstop for dinner on him. Of course they searched the apartment thoroughly. It isn't that big. I'm sure they didn't stand in the middle of a room and look around. And they would never buy a locked door story that it's his roommates and he doesn't have a key.
Maybe a temporary spot outside and that's when the ladle was used. Crawl space...attic storage space. I hope we find out. But I will never question the thoroughness of LE's search.
 
I Believe Faye was his first victim. JMO. If he gotten away with this there might have been more. Stealing candy from the cookie jar. LE closed in on the neighborhood to0 fast..he panicked.

He may have other "victims" in the sense that he may have been grooming children online or could have been participating in child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 photo trading? Also I recall someone posted previously something about CT stalking a former classmate? Anyone else recall that in a former thread or was that just rumor/speculation?
 
The rapid DNA testing is one of those things I am 50/50. PRO- Solves crimes faster!!! CON- Curbs privacy / violates citizens privacy rights

"DNA evidence is only one of many types of evidence jurors should take into account when considering a case. TV shows like "CSI" may have popularized forensic science to the point where some jurors have unrealistic expectations of DNA analysis and accord it more weight than other types of evidence. This phenomenon is sometimes called the "CSI effect." Maintaining DNA databanks can help police identify criminals, but it can also pose ethical quandaries when authorities keep samples from people who have never been accused of any crime. DNA dragnets, operations where police collect samples from a large number of people in a geographic region to find a culprit, have proven especially controversial."

I am always frightened by the thought of being judged by a jury of my peers based on so many factors, but mainly I first think of the amount of people exonerated by the Innocence Project alone who could have been put to death due to a jury's decision :(

Just think about who may end up on a jury.....sighhh
More than 30 million adults in the United States cannot read, write, or do basic math above a third-grade level. about 14% of the entire adult population cannot read. — ProLiteracy



An estimated 63 million adults read between a sixth and eighth grade level. Just 11% of men and 12% of women make the grade as proficient readers.
If it makes you feel any better rapid DNA testing is only that, testing. It can only be done in minutes when there's already a hypothetical match profile on hand. Comparing a profile to databases still takes time since it's hard to digitize analog things like DNA. It takes a pretty long time to compare to databases of known offenders and much longer still to do genealogical comparisons like how they've caught some long-cold murderers.

It's actually companies like ancestry.com getting people to opt into DNA databases that are the biggest threat to the privacy of your DNA. You don't even need to have done it, only a few members of your family - doesn't even need to be immediate family.
 
Somebody correct me if I am wrong but it appears that CT's autopsy and toxicology report is not public information in SC. JMO

According to this:

SECTION 17-7-30. Findings on preliminary examination and filing of evidence.

The evidence and the finding of the officer on such preliminary examination shall be filed in the clerk's office of the county, the finding to be that deceased came to death (a) from natural cause, (b) at his own hand, (c) from an act of God or (d) from mischance, without blame on the part of another person.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 17-92; 1952 Code Section 17-92; 1942 Code Section 1097; 1932 Code Section 1097; Cr. P. '22 Section 184; Cr. C. '12 Section 1027; Cr. C. '02 Section 729; 1884 (21) 825.
Code of Laws - Title 17 - Chapter 7 - Autopsies And Inquest On The Dead

CT was found to have ended his own life. As far as toxicology results, those would take some time as we have seen in numerous recent cases. I would imagine that they would file with the clerk's office in that county that CT's death was a suicide. As far as any other medications or anything else, toxicology or whatever, I have no idea what they decided to look for or request further testing on. I would imagine his parents could do something for further testing if none was requested.

I just don't know how much of anything that we will find out from this case further.
 
According to this:

SECTION 17-7-30. Findings on preliminary examination and filing of evidence.

The evidence and the finding of the officer on such preliminary examination shall be filed in the clerk's office of the county, the finding to be that deceased came to death (a) from natural cause, (b) at his own hand, (c) from an act of God or (d) from mischance, without blame on the part of another person.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 17-92; 1952 Code Section 17-92; 1942 Code Section 1097; 1932 Code Section 1097; Cr. P. '22 Section 184; Cr. C. '12 Section 1027; Cr. C. '02 Section 729; 1884 (21) 825.
Code of Laws - Title 17 - Chapter 7 - Autopsies And Inquest On The Dead

CT was found to have ended his own life. As far as toxicology results, those would take some time as we have seen in numerous recent cases. I would imagine that they would file with the clerk's office in that county that CT's death was a suicide. As far as any other medications or anything else, toxicology or whatever, I have no idea what they decided to look for or request further testing on. I would imagine his parents could do something for further testing if none was requested.

I just don't know how much of anything that we will find out from this case further.
South Carolina certainly has the flavor of a state that does everything they can to keep the public from having access to autopsy results but FOIA can be used to drag them out if someone tries to do it the official way (appears to be picking up physical forms and submitting them by mail, likely including a fee) and fails. We will probably find them out from the book and/or news special in some months.

SECTION 17-7-330. Coroner's Book of Inquisitions.

Every coroner shall keep a book to be called "The Coroner's Book of Inquisitions" into which he shall copy all inquests found within his county, together with evidence taken before the jury and all proceedings had before or after their findings. Such book shall be public property and shall be turned over to his successor in office.


This makes it sound like a person may have to physically go the coroner's office and look at the book
 
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According to this:

SECTION 17-7-30. Findings on preliminary examination and filing of evidence.

The evidence and the finding of the officer on such preliminary examination shall be filed in the clerk's office of the county, the finding to be that deceased came to death (a) from natural cause, (b) at his own hand, (c) from an act of God or (d) from mischance, without blame on the part of another person.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 17-92; 1952 Code Section 17-92; 1942 Code Section 1097; 1932 Code Section 1097; Cr. P. '22 Section 184; Cr. C. '12 Section 1027; Cr. C. '02 Section 729; 1884 (21) 825.
Code of Laws - Title 17 - Chapter 7 - Autopsies And Inquest On The Dead

CT was found to have ended his own life. As far as toxicology results, those would take some time as we have seen in numerous recent cases. I would imagine that they would file with the clerk's office in that county that CT's death was a suicide. As far as any other medications or anything else, toxicology or whatever, I have no idea what they decided to look for or request further testing on. I would imagine his parents could do something for further testing if none was requested.

I just don't know how much of anything that we will find out from this case further.
Thank you for the information.
 
South Carolina certainly has the flavor of a state that does everything they can to keep the public from having access to autopsy results but FOIA can be used to drag them out if someone tries to do it the official way (appears to be picking up physical forms and submitting them by mail, likely including a fee) and fails. We will probably find them out from the book and/or news special in some months.

SECTION 17-7-330. Coroner's Book of Inquisitions.

Every coroner shall keep a book to be called "The Coroner's Book of Inquisitions" into which he shall copy all inquests found within his county, together with evidence taken before the jury and all proceedings had before or after their findings. Such book shall be public property and shall be turned over to his successor in office.


This makes it sound like a person may have to physically go the coroner's office and look at the book

That is what I am thinking.

Thank you for the information.

You're welcome. It is not much information. This is a completely different kind of case from the ones I typically follow. Again, familiar mainly with the laws in a few states...Texas especially obviously. Florida, California, etc...
The issue here is that there is a homicide and the sole perpetrator as named by LE has committed suicide. I am not entirely sure, to be fair, what the laws are for any state on this. Typically, there is an accused and there is a trial. It is up to the State, I would imagine to release any additional information? Or someone could file a FOIA? Or the deceased parents could ask for any additional testing to be done?

I think that the State will release more information about CT. Just not Faye. As they have already told us, they will not. So, again, I am not sure if we will ever learn the type of DNA (semen, blood, etc...) that linked Faye and CT. Unless, as others, have mentioned there is a civil suit brought by Faye's family against CT or CT estate.
 
I wonder if he had attempted an abduction in the past.
I also wonder about vehicles CT has owned or did own. Do we know? People have posted about a moped? Did he have any other vehicle or transportation? I would have imagined that LE would have seized it or towed it and there would be some type of footage of that if he had a vehicle?
It is entirely possible this was his first crime. I think it just boggles our minds (not being criminals or perpetrators) that anyone could (a) do this (b) appear normal or normal enough as to not arouse suspicion (c) not just confess out of guilt immediately.

Do we know whether CT had younger sisters?

We know that pedophiles have gender and age preferences.

He may have molested pre-pubescent sisters while living at home, crimes for which he may never have been punished or even outed as he had time to groom the children.

He could have been relying on Internet kiddie 🤬🤬🤬🤬 since he lost access to the sister(s) but finally saw how easy it would be to grab Faye for a real-life experience.

It wouldn't surprise me if he decided she deserved killing because she wouldn't cooperate.

It's so heartbreaking but I'm thankful she's in Heaven with no more of this world's pain.
 
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Do we know whether CT had younger sisters?

We know that pedophiles have gender and age preferences.

He may have molested pre-pubescent sisters while living at home, crimes for which he may never have been punished or even outed as he had time to groom the children.

He could have been relying on Internet kiddie 🤬🤬🤬🤬 since he lost access to them but finally saw how easy it would be to take Faye for a real-life experience.

It wouldn't surprise me if he thought she deserved killing because she wouldn't cooperate.

It's so heartbreaking but I'm thankful she's in Heaven with no more of this world's pain.

I believe I have read that he has siblings. Not sure their ages nor their sex.
It is just such a heartbreaking and senseless crime. It is sickening honestly. And extremely difficult for me to understand how anyone would select a young child to attack. I do not and will never understand.
My sense of these cases (and it never gets any easier) is that the perps have a lot in common. Which would be great if no one else shared some of those characteristics in common. Then we could round them all up like the movie Minority Report and stop them from doing any further harm.
I am heartsick for any family that has lost a child in this way. I can't imagine what any of them are feeling. I do hope that in some way something can be learned from this. But again, it seems like we will continue to learn more about the perps over and over and not a way to keep them from destroying multiple lives.
 
It's unlikely that there would have been a recording of every single walk through even if done by a patrolman. For the most part they only enable their cams when they would turn on their siren or draw their weapon.


"Weirdness" should have been exactly what they would have been looking for. Cops are well trained to detect when their presence is making someone uncomfortable. Usually even more than hoping to actually find anything when doing a walk-through of a residence, they're looking for someone to have a suspicious reaction. I believe that Taylor managed to stay cool. Had he acted in a way that would have been worth making special note of, he would have been under special scrutiny. It's possible he was on a "short list" that was cross-referenced against the particular dumpster but if that was the case I have my doubts about whether he would have even had time to kill himself or that the room-mate would have needed to be the one to alert law enforcement of it.

I'm behind on the thread and one of you may have already pointed out that many police departments have outfitted only a small percentage of their officers with body cams as many are underfunded and playing catch-up on newer technologies.

I would be surprised if this little town is flush with cash so there's a good possibility no footage exists of the interview.
 
I saw a ID show awhile back, and the father of a murdered child said he knew generally what the murderer had done to his son, but it took him, and his wife months before they could read the autopsy report.

He said at times they both wish they had never opened it, and read it. He said it was only then they knew how much their innocent little son had suffered at the hands of his raping murdering pedophile.

To this day I think about Steve Greone, and how he said he finally watched all of the video Joe Duncan had taken for 7 weeks showing all of the daily tortures, and rapes of little Shasta, and Dylan including him murdering Dylan. He said it was the hardest thing he had do ever do.

They asked Steve how he could do it. Steve said if his own children had to endure all of it, he owed it to them both to have the courage to know what they both went through. :( :(

In JED federal case the FBI prosecutor said the video tape must never been seen by anyone in the public.

The FBI have made sure it's in a top level secure location. The only ones who have ever seen it are the investigators, DA, Shasta, Steve, and the sadist pedophile kidnapper, serial rapists, and serial murderer, JED..the monster who took it.

Jmho

That case and Jessica Lunsford have haunted me from day one, this one will too.[/QUOTE]
Just read up on Duncan. For what my opinion is worth, he should be DEAD!
 

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