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Verdict was so fast, my guess is they will vote for death.
GUILTY SC - Five Jones children, ages 1-8, Lexington County, 28 Aug 2014 *Father Arrested*
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I bet his defense team anticipated this verdict. They did their best to provide (sentencing) mitigation evidence throughout, hoping to humanize him. Snowball's chance in a Carolina summer they succeeded on that score either.
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·Tim Scott (@TimScottTV) on Twitter
7m The sentencing phase of the trial will begin Thursday morning. There is a mandatory 24-hr “cooling off” period between when the verdict is read and when the next phase begins
18m The jury finds Timothy Jones Jr. GUILTY in the murders of all five of his children
7m The sentencing phase of the trial will begin Thursday morning. There is a mandatory 24-hr “cooling off” period between when the verdict is read and when the next phase begins
18m The jury finds Timothy Jones Jr. GUILTY in the murders of all five of his children
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Is there anyone from the children's family sitting on the prosecution side?
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I don't know. I'm fairly certain Amber wasn't there because I think we would have heard her. I didn't see mention of any other family.
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I could not imagine a Lexington County jury basically letting him walk by finding him insane. Probably the toughest county in the state as far as law enforcement.
But the reality was the prosecution easily shot holes all through the defense’s insanity case.
I don’t think I will ever forget the prosecutor in closing arguments demonstrating how the babies were choked with belts and saying it could have taken up to 8 minutes to kill each of those children. Just imagine...
But the reality was the prosecution easily shot holes all through the defense’s insanity case.
I don’t think I will ever forget the prosecutor in closing arguments demonstrating how the babies were choked with belts and saying it could have taken up to 8 minutes to kill each of those children. Just imagine...
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Caroline HeckerVerified account @CHecker_WIS 47m47 minutes ago
Jones Sr. declines an interview about his son’s conviction of five counts of murder—at this point in the process. Solicitor Rick Hubbard says he can’t comment until after sentencing complete. @wis10
(I fell asleep...just woke up...
....)
Good work jurors.
Jones Sr. declines an interview about his son’s conviction of five counts of murder—at this point in the process. Solicitor Rick Hubbard says he can’t comment until after sentencing complete. @wis10
(I fell asleep...just woke up...
....)Good work jurors.
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I can't imagine. Seriously, I go out of my way to NOT imagine the actual murder (s) in any trial, especially if the victim(s) are children.
To generalize, though? Strangulation is personal, and given how long it takes, a choice a killer makes again and again and again and again in the process. To kill that way 4 (or 5) times in a row. His own babies.
It's also exceptionally pitiless. Even the remorseless family annihilator Chris Watts chose to smother his babies as they slept (with one exception).
May these jurors be at peace with their verdict, and with voting for the DP if that's what they decide, and may they not be traumatized by what they've had to see, hear, and think deeply about for these past weeks.
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Jacob ReynoldsVerified account @JRFromTheSouth 7m7 minutes ago
ICYMI: this is the moment Timothy Jones Jr’s convictions were published in open court for the murders of his 5 children. @WLTX
(video clip: Jacob Reynolds on Twitter )
ICYMI: this is the moment Timothy Jones Jr’s convictions were published in open court for the murders of his 5 children. @WLTX
(video clip: Jacob Reynolds on Twitter )
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Jury finds Timothy Jones, Jr., SC man accused of murdering his 5 children in 2014, guilty on all charges (with clip)
June 4, 2019
"LEXINGTON COUNTY, S.C. (WIS) - After more than three weeks of testimony, a jury has reached a verdict in the trial of Timothy Jones, Jr., a Lexington County man accused of murdering his five children in 2014.
The jury concluded that Jones has been found guilty on all five counts of murder in the deaths of his children.
The second phase of the proceedings is the sentencing phase and that will begin at 8:45 a.m. on Thursday. Because the state is seeking the death penalty, the jury is now responsible for determining his punishment...."
Jury finds Timothy Jones, Jr., SC man accused of murdering his 5 children in 2014, guilty on all charges
June 4, 2019
"LEXINGTON COUNTY, S.C. (WIS) - After more than three weeks of testimony, a jury has reached a verdict in the trial of Timothy Jones, Jr., a Lexington County man accused of murdering his five children in 2014.
The jury concluded that Jones has been found guilty on all five counts of murder in the deaths of his children.
The second phase of the proceedings is the sentencing phase and that will begin at 8:45 a.m. on Thursday. Because the state is seeking the death penalty, the jury is now responsible for determining his punishment...."
Jury finds Timothy Jones, Jr., SC man accused of murdering his 5 children in 2014, guilty on all charges
One newspaper article on the verdict mentioned that witnesses will be called during the sentencing phase, and that the process is expected to last a week (before going to the jury).
Who knows what witnesses the defense can call up, other than family members. But the State? All they really need to do to get a DP verdict (if anything else) is to replay his taped confession to the FBI.
I listened to it again after the verdict. If the jury does too, or if they consider it as they weigh mitigating versus aggravator factors, including whether or not he feels remorse, the not insane Jones himself tells them all they need to know:
1. REMORSE? He intended to dismember his babies. He didn't change his mind about doing so at any point during the 9 days he drive around with their dead bodies stacked behind him.
On the day he disposed of them, he bought cigarettes, candy bars, and synthetic weed around 8AM, withdrew $500 to take to Vegas, his next destination, then drove down that remote road in Alabama.
He took N out of the car first, and a saw, and began cutting one of N's legs. Why did he choose to dismember N first? He says why, and in context to related questions about how he disposed of the babies that AM.
Why N? "Because he was kind of the whole center to this thing. He triggered it all. (If he had just told me what I was demanding he tell me, none if this would have happened). "I would have just done what was appropriate to try to help him."
He chose N out of still-active rage. He tried to cut off one of N's legs. He stopped. He says he stopped because "I said, I can't do this to him. I put him in a bag and said a prayer for him."
He also says, a bit later, when asked if he's telling the truth , and what will be found during autopsies on his babies:
"(What I said will be what's found) "barring i don't know what else you might see. Poke, stab, throw them in the car, they may have a crushed something there. You're going to find a mark on N's leg."
(Broken bones?)" You might find some now. But I wasn't thinking about breaking bones to get what needed to be done done. I was just thinking, let's get this thing done and get out of here."
And, asked if he carried his babies one by one after he bagged them, he replies: how many trips? "I don't know. However many it took to get five of them over there."
(( He felt rage, not pity or remorse when he began sawing N. But .. chopping up his babies and throwing their pieces away in trash bags was going to be too much work, and it was time to "just get it done" & to get to Vegas. He was pulled over by LE, babies disposed of, around 1PM that afternoon)).
Who knows what witnesses the defense can call up, other than family members. But the State? All they really need to do to get a DP verdict (if anything else) is to replay his taped confession to the FBI.
I listened to it again after the verdict. If the jury does too, or if they consider it as they weigh mitigating versus aggravator factors, including whether or not he feels remorse, the not insane Jones himself tells them all they need to know:
1. REMORSE? He intended to dismember his babies. He didn't change his mind about doing so at any point during the 9 days he drive around with their dead bodies stacked behind him.
On the day he disposed of them, he bought cigarettes, candy bars, and synthetic weed around 8AM, withdrew $500 to take to Vegas, his next destination, then drove down that remote road in Alabama.
He took N out of the car first, and a saw, and began cutting one of N's legs. Why did he choose to dismember N first? He says why, and in context to related questions about how he disposed of the babies that AM.
Why N? "Because he was kind of the whole center to this thing. He triggered it all. (If he had just told me what I was demanding he tell me, none if this would have happened). "I would have just done what was appropriate to try to help him."
He chose N out of still-active rage. He tried to cut off one of N's legs. He stopped. He says he stopped because "I said, I can't do this to him. I put him in a bag and said a prayer for him."
He also says, a bit later, when asked if he's telling the truth , and what will be found during autopsies on his babies:
"(What I said will be what's found) "barring i don't know what else you might see. Poke, stab, throw them in the car, they may have a crushed something there. You're going to find a mark on N's leg."
(Broken bones?)" You might find some now. But I wasn't thinking about breaking bones to get what needed to be done done. I was just thinking, let's get this thing done and get out of here."
And, asked if he carried his babies one by one after he bagged them, he replies: how many trips? "I don't know. However many it took to get five of them over there."
(( He felt rage, not pity or remorse when he began sawing N. But .. chopping up his babies and throwing their pieces away in trash bags was going to be too much work, and it was time to "just get it done" & to get to Vegas. He was pulled over by LE, babies disposed of, around 1PM that afternoon)).
Remorse? Also from the tape:
1. On killing N: "I PT'ed his
until he couldn't take it. ...like for an hour. Then I got tired (of him) and sent him to bed. (Went in) and he was already deceased. "Then I followed suit with the other four."
2. On first planning their disposal: " I was going to boil them or something. I don't really remember. This wasn't premeditated. It was an oh s-hit kind of thing."
3. On wrapping them in sheets: (yah, I did), and blankets, and a s-hitload of air freshener."
4. On buying trash bags at the dollar store- for their bodies? "(Yes, -sobbing-) for their bodies. (Not sobbing, and in the next breath): "and for my own trash too. I had a lot of trash in my car.. "
5. On where he planned to run: (Nowhere, this wasn't planned). "This was spontaneous and I had just f-ucked up my whole life. One bad incident and I didn't follow up like I should have and" (he gets cuts off & doesn't finish).
6. On how his car must have smelled after 9 days carrying his dead babies in the car: (Matter of factly, no fake sobs): "It stinks like s-hit."
7. First reply when asked who he strangled with a belt: " I forget which ones."
8. On why he used a belt: "Why? I don't know. I wasn't thinking. I was just thinking...run!"
9. Asked if he felt guilty, and if so, why: " Yes. Because I took measures that were extreme and unnecessary, out of fear. Fear of my own life. Because of the kids (conspiring to get him). (I killed them) to protect myself."
PRIOR THINKING ABOUT KILLING HIS BABIES?
Asked if he'd ever "wanted to do something like this before but decided against it," Jones replied:
"Yah,I've had these thoughts before but nothing happened until this materialized. (Why didn't you before? ) I didn't have any reason to act on them."
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IMO, Jones, in deeds, thoughts, and words has made it very easy for the jury to vote DP.
1. On killing N: "I PT'ed his
until he couldn't take it. ...like for an hour. Then I got tired (of him) and sent him to bed. (Went in) and he was already deceased. "Then I followed suit with the other four."2. On first planning their disposal: " I was going to boil them or something. I don't really remember. This wasn't premeditated. It was an oh s-hit kind of thing."
3. On wrapping them in sheets: (yah, I did), and blankets, and a s-hitload of air freshener."
4. On buying trash bags at the dollar store- for their bodies? "(Yes, -sobbing-) for their bodies. (Not sobbing, and in the next breath): "and for my own trash too. I had a lot of trash in my car.. "
5. On where he planned to run: (Nowhere, this wasn't planned). "This was spontaneous and I had just f-ucked up my whole life. One bad incident and I didn't follow up like I should have and" (he gets cuts off & doesn't finish).
6. On how his car must have smelled after 9 days carrying his dead babies in the car: (Matter of factly, no fake sobs): "It stinks like s-hit."
7. First reply when asked who he strangled with a belt: " I forget which ones."
8. On why he used a belt: "Why? I don't know. I wasn't thinking. I was just thinking...run!"
9. Asked if he felt guilty, and if so, why: " Yes. Because I took measures that were extreme and unnecessary, out of fear. Fear of my own life. Because of the kids (conspiring to get him). (I killed them) to protect myself."
PRIOR THINKING ABOUT KILLING HIS BABIES?
Asked if he'd ever "wanted to do something like this before but decided against it," Jones replied:
"Yah,I've had these thoughts before but nothing happened until this materialized. (Why didn't you before? ) I didn't have any reason to act on them."
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IMO, Jones, in deeds, thoughts, and words has made it very easy for the jury to vote DP.
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I TOTALLY AGREE.
In addition, Merah telling him she loved him.
Having to strangle the babies with the belt because his hands were too big.
Amber calling during N's punishment and him not just telling her to come get the damn kids.
In addition, Merah telling him she loved him.
Having to strangle the babies with the belt because his hands were too big.
Amber calling during N's punishment and him not just telling her to come get the damn kids.
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Remorse? Also from the tape:
1. On killing N: "I PT'ed his
2. On first planning their disposal: " I was going to boil them or something. I don't really remember. This wasn't premeditated. It was an oh s-hit kind of thing."
3. On wrapping them in sheets: (yah, I did), and blankets, and a s-hitload of air freshener."
4. On buying trash bags at the dollar store- for their bodies? "(Yes, -sobbing-) for their bodies. (Not sobbing, and in the next breath): "and for my own trash too. I had a lot of trash in my car.. "
5. On where he planned to run: (Nowhere, this wasn't planned). "This was spontaneous and I had just f-ucked up my whole life. One bad incident and I didn't follow up like I should have and" (he gets cuts off & doesn't finish).
6. On how his car must have smelled after 9 days carrying his dead babies in the car: (Matter of factly, no fake sobs): "It stinks like s-hit."
7. First reply when asked who he strangled with a belt: " I forget which ones."
8. On why he used a belt: "Why? I don't know. I wasn't thinking. I was just thinking...run!"
9. Asked if he felt guilty, and if so, why: " Yes. Because I took measures that were extreme and unnecessary, out of fear. Fear of my own life. Because of the kids (conspiring to get him). (I killed them) to protect myself."
PRIOR THINKING ABOUT KILLING HIS BABIES?
Asked if he'd ever "wanted to do something like this before but decided against it," Jones replied:
"Yah,I've had these thoughts before but nothing happened until this materialized. (Why didn't you before? ) I didn't have any reason to act on them."
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IMO, Jones, in deeds, thoughts, and words has made it very easy for the jury to vote DP.
Thanks for doing this list. This is a great synopsis of the complete selfishness of Tim Jones.
He ran because he had just “f*****” up his life he says. HIS life. No regard for the 5 young lives he had taken away.
Yep. HIS life, and his need for control, came before anyone and anything else. And as his own father admitted, however reluctantly/inadvertently, it had always been that way.
He killed N in a sustained and purposeful fit of rage and hatred, imo for precisely the reasons the State presented, including because N reached out to his mommy when she called, and begged for help. I had the sense from some of the testimonies that Jones deliberately tried to break his children's bond with their mother, including by telling them she didn't love them and didn't want them.
And yet they kept reaching out to her. Because everything is always about him, Jones likely viewed their need for their mom as both a rejection and a betrayal. And....as a failure of his bid to exert complete control over HIS children.
So he thought his life was over after he tortured N to death. Why kill his other 4 babies?
I don't believe he felt (or even felt he needed ) ANY moral justification for killing them. Certainly not before or during the time he killed them.
I don't believe he believed Amber didn't want her babies, and it appears, anyway, that he knew his father would have welcomed those babies with open arms if need be.
Last, it's impossible to believe his contemptible lie that he killed them to spare them, to save them from suffering. This from a father who chose a method of killing his babies that was slow, agonizing, and that required him to be inches away from them, face to face, watching them die.
Why kill them? What did he say to himself/think after "oh s-hit, I've f'ed up my life"?
The State again got it largely right, imo. First he thought about getting raped in prison, then he clearly decided he'd rather kill every one of his children then to allow them to go to either Amber OR to his father.
Obviously not Amber (sheer spite & hatred). But not his father either. Perhaps for no more explicable reason than he viewed his babies as HIS possessions, and he revelled in demonstrating only he could or would ever have control over them.
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