SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #11

[nosysw]

Here's another snip, which might help clarify:

"The biggest difference in retention surrounds so-called cell-site data. That is information detailing a phone’s movement history via its connections to mobile phone towers while it's traveling.

Verizon keeps that data on a one-year rolling basis; T-Mobile for “a year or more;” Sprint up to two years, and AT&T indefinitely, from July 2008.

The document also includes retention policies for Nextel and Virgin Mobile. They have been folded into the Sprint network."

ETA: There's no doubt Verizon storing the content of text messages for 5 days helps if the person they're investigating is a treasure trove of information and a missed opportunity if they're not. I didn't quote the entire article in order to remain within TOS. There are still unaddressed issues in reading the memo itself :moo: because it leaves the reader to interpret the context, to an extent.

This was revealed in 2011, so I'm still trying to find out whether or not the. SCOTUS ruling mentioned JS had any bearing on the policies. Then again, even if it did, would we know about it is a valid question.....

Hope this helps....


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I didn't express myself last night properly...too tired...and mentioned pings when I meant to talk about IP information. I am not at all well versed in this stuff, but doesn't IP information (which TM doesn't retain at all) tell what device was used and where is was used? Thanks for trying to clarify this for me...it's very interesting, and could be very important in telling us what info LE may nor may not be privy to, IMO.

 

[SharetheLight]

If our purpose here is to find Heather, then looking into Heather's life only gets us so far IF we believe it was foul play that caused her to disappear.
IF we believe she met with foul play, then the clues to where she is, lies in dissecting and combing through whomever's life we believe caused the foul play. And we are not allowed to do that here. --until LE names a suspect.
I believe if a suspect is ever named and we can start discussing and combing through a suspect's life we may have a very good idea where HE is because this is a group of out of the box thinkers who pay attention to every detail. The clues as to where Heather is are found in someone else's life.
I believe this as I believe Heather met with foul play and that is what caused her to disappear.
I've arrived at this conclusion after pouring over Heather's life.

I hope as some posts have speculated that someone is talking or a suspect may be named or whatever soon so we can start discussing where Heather could be. She needs to be brought home. It's been too long.

**to clarify I'm not bashing TOS or anything, just saying we can really dig once a poi is named through LE or MSM

 

[cluciano63]

Again, if either of them could not let go, was obsessed, whatever...it is all in her phone records. How many times she called him, he called her, when, etc...

 

[Vinny]

Again, if either of them could not let go, was obsessed, whatever...it is all in her phone records. How many times she called him, he called her, when, etc...

Yes I'm sure the phone records likely contain some valuable information. At this point it's very hard to imagine this being an abduction of opportunity by a stranger, although that can't be ruled out entirely.

I definitely think she got into another vehicle, whether by force or willingly. I wonder if there are any traffic cams in the area or any other cameras that could help.

 

[hockeymom4]

"Elvis’ roommate, identified in a police report as Brianna Warrelmann, received a phone call from Elvis at about 1:44 a.m. Dec. 18, police records state."
"According to the report, the roommate said the victim “seemed like she was crying and upset” due to receiving a call from a man the report says was nearly twice her age."

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

This article states Phone Call, not text.

IMOO.

I know you are only quoting the article and not a person, but has it every been quoted from a person about her being upset and crying? This piece has always thrown me because I didn't understand why she would be upset and crying if he was leaving his wife for her. It seems as that all of these details are not quotes., which is fine. Just an observation. I feel as that there is some thing there in these phone calls, maybe really small that can help. The "seem" I had never noticed before, but now is really interesting. Also, I think it would be interesting to know how long this phone call between the roommate and HE lasted. It probably has been mention, but I can't remember everything. Also, I wonder why the roommate was unable to speak to the reporters, but the date was allowed to. I know the date was cleared, was that through an interview process, polygraph, we don't know or both?

 

[cluciano63]

I know you are only quoting the article and not a person, but has it every been quoted from a person about her being upset and crying? This piece has always thrown me because I didn't understand why she would be upset and crying if he was leaving his wife for her. It seems as that all of these details are not quotes., which is fine. Just an observation. I feel as that there is some thing there in these phone calls, maybe really small that can help. The "seem" I had never noticed before, but now is really interesting. Also, I think it would be interesting to know how long this phone call between the roommate and HE lasted. It probably has been mention, but I can't remember everything. Also, I wonder why the roommate was unable to speak to the reporters, but the date was allowed to. I know the date was cleared, was that through an interview process, polygraph, we don't know or both?

Honestly, police cannot tell people they are not allowed to speak to the media, IMO. Dad went on NG and talked about her phone records and possible video. LE might have preferred he didn't, might have preferred he did not use the word "bounty" more recently but they can't stop him. If BW does not want to talk to media, I do not blame her, but do not believe she is not allowed. JMO

 

[Snowyowl]

"Elvis’ roommate, identified in a police report as Brianna Warrelmann, received a phone call from Elvis at about 1:44 a.m. Dec. 18, police records state."
"According to the report, the roommate said the victim “seemed like she was crying and upset” due to receiving a call from a man the report says was nearly twice her age."

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

This article states Phone Call, not text.

IMOO.

OK-from this poorly written article I put together the timeline they stated in there

7 p.m. Elvis left for a date at about 7 p.m. Dec. 17
10:43 p.m. Elvis text messaged a photo of herself to her father at 10:43 p.m. (learning to drive a manual )Dec. 17
1:44 a.m. Dec. 18 Brianna Warrelmann,receiving a call from a OM (was that FL time?)
about 2 a.m. occurred at about 2 a.m. Dec. 18. (date with Shiraldi)
after 2 a.m. (“definitely” dropped Elvis off) after 2 a.m. Dec. 18
10 posts were time stamped between 1:53 a.m. and 2:09 a.m. Dec. 18
6 a.m. Dec. 18 the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18
Her vehicle was found abandoned on Dec. 19 (no time stated) at PTL

Shiraldi said he doesn’t recall Elvis speaking with anyone via cell phone during their date other than her father, Terry Elvis, and Warrelmann.
does this mean she spoke w/roomie in FL while date was still there?
Shiraldi has no recollection of her crying or becoming upset. (since stated spoke to BW while there implied maybe 2nd call was from home about OM)?

have i got this right?? if trying to go by facts in article it seems Heather spoke w/dad & BW during date and everything OK
then she gets home and things start happening calls up BW again (no clarification if 2 seperate calls)
her time stamped posts has a discrepancy cuz "(“definitely” dropped Elvis off) after 2 a.m." could it be post dated as some mentioned? or posted by someone else using her account?
have I missed anything??

 

[cluciano63]

I just think it is a very badly written article^^^^^^...but who knows.
Also if Heather spoke to married guy on her date, she may have told him it was someone else.

 

[EverywhereSheWent...]

I have a question in regards to the word SEEM.
In this article it states:

"Elvis’ roommate, the police report said, told officers that Elvis “seemed like she was crying and upset” after Elvis reported a conversation with that man."
http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

The choice to use the word "seem", is odd to me. Wouldn't the roommate know if she was crying and upset? I wonder why it wasn't stated emphatically that Heather was crying and upset, just "seemed" like she was.


IMOO.

It is odd...and now I'm wondering what the EXACT wording was regarding the phone call with the roommate. This sounds like something you'd say if you were referring to a voice message that was left that may not have been heard until the next morning...

 

[rtjedarling]

maybe roomie said she was upset, crying or sounded upset, crying and LE says "so it seemed to you she was upset, crying" and she says "yes it seemed to me she was upset crying" and so that is the statement that they wrote.

From all I've read, I comprehended it as LE talked to OM and he says I haven't seen HE since October and LE goes we have records of calls between you 2 to 6 am and OM says she was calling and I called her to tell her to stop.

Most OMs don't want to admit to a questioning LE about communication with a 20y old. Maybe HE was also upset due to having become afraid of OMW- maybe OM afraid of her 2.

 

[hockeymom4]

I just think it is a very badly written article^^^^^^...but who knows.
Also if Heather spoke to married guy on her date, she may have told him it was someone else.

Date said no one called her unless she silenced it. That article may be bad, but most of them say the same thing. The timeline is funky, off and making me wonder....

 

[spiritseeker31]

OK-from this poorly written article I put together the timeline they stated in there

7 p.m. Elvis left for a date at about 7 p.m. Dec. 17
10:43 p.m. Elvis text messaged a photo of herself to her father at 10:43 p.m. (learning to drive a manual )Dec. 17
1:44 a.m. Dec. 18 Brianna Warrelmann,receiving a call from a OM (was that FL time?)
about 2 a.m. occurred at about 2 a.m. Dec. 18. (date with Shiraldi)
after 2 a.m. (“definitely” dropped Elvis off) after 2 a.m. Dec. 18
10 posts were time stamped between 1:53 a.m. and 2:09 a.m. Dec. 18
6 a.m. Dec. 18 the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18
Her vehicle was found abandoned on Dec. 19 (no time stated) at PTL

Shiraldi said he doesn’t recall Elvis speaking with anyone via cell phone during their date other than her father, Terry Elvis, and Warrelmann.
does this mean she spoke w/roomie in FL while date was still there?
Shiraldi has no recollection of her crying or becoming upset. (since stated spoke to BW while there implied maybe 2nd call was from home about OM)?

have i got this right?? if trying to go by facts in article it seems Heather spoke w/dad & BW during date and everything OK
then she gets home and things start happening calls up BW again (no clarification if 2 seperate calls)
her time stamped posts has a discrepancy cuz "(“definitely” dropped Elvis off) after 2 a.m." could it be post dated as some mentioned? or posted by someone else using her account?
have I missed anything??

Regarding the date ending AFTER the call the Bri - This has probably been brought up multiple times but HE could have gotten a text/voicemail from someone and then excused herself to use the restroom (at fast food place or gas station etc) and read/listened to it and then called Bri upset. Then straightened herself up before going back to date.

 

[cluciano63]

Date said no one called her unless she silenced it. That article may be bad, but most of them say the same thing. The timeline is funky, off and making me wonder....

She never went to bathroom? To brush her hair? I doubt they were together every minutes of the seven hours. JMO

 

[carbuff]

Honestly, police cannot tell people they are not allowed to speak to the media, IMO. Dad went on NG and talked about her phone records and possible video. LE might have preferred he didn't, might have preferred he did not use the word "bounty" more recently but they can't stop him. If BW does not want to talk to media, I do not blame her, but do not believe she is not allowed. JMO

Unless there's a judicial "gag order" in place, they can't stop you from talking, but I think most people involved in a situation like this would agree to keep quiet if LE asked them not to talk about what they said.

 

[5CentsWorth]

~snipped~
I know the date was cleared, was that through an interview process, polygraph, we don't know or both?

The young man who took her on the date was brought in to be questioned by the police and eventually fully cleared. I have never met the young man, but his story checked out and a polygraph fully cleared him of any potential involvement.

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/heather-elvis-disappearance-terry-elvis

 

[Ghostwheel]

Reading about the guilty plea in Skylar Neese's murder in WV (by her "friends")...these girls were fifteen or sixteen and hid her body well enough so that she would likely not ever have been found, if not for leading LE to the spot. So it is certainly not accurate to believe that people have to be "smart" to be able to hide a body. JMO

Too many places in the trees and rivers to hide things on the East coast, IMO....

My whole point is if LE says-
the roommate admitted to talking to her and also says
the married man admitted to talking to her...why is it presumed one instance refers to someone lying and the other doesn't?

The verb is admit in both instances and in both instances it is referring to the subject, roommate for the first, married guy for the second.

I'm not saying they both lied any more than I'm saying neither of them lied. It's just not fair to speculate one meaning one thing and the other not.

I hope I'm not being too objective for anyone. I've kind of felt it's best I not post here anymore, but it's hard. I just want her found.

The devil is in the details. If Capt Furr said/wrote ( I don't know which) that OM "stated that he has not seen the victim since October, BUT admitted to have spoken to her on the phone last night." That would sound like OM mentioned it right away, clarifying that while he had not SEEN her, he had TALKED to her. But if Capt Furr said/wrote that OM "stated that he has not seen the victim since October, AND THEN admitted to have spoken to her on the phone last night.", it sounds more like OM was not as forthcoming, like there was a break where other questions had to be asked before OM said he had spoken to HE. It could just be semantics or it could actually mean something. Only the officer who spoke to OM would know for sure what he (the officer) meant when he (the officer) wrote down/conveyed what his interpretation of the conversation was, though.

Honestly, police cannot tell people they are not allowed to speak to the media, IMO. Dad went on NG and talked about her phone records and possible video. LE might have preferred he didn't, might have preferred he did not use the word "bounty" more recently but they can't stop him. If BW does not want to talk to media, I do not blame her, but do not believe she is not allowed. JMO

It is possible, and quite probable that LE asked BW not to discuss certain things, and she would want to make sure she didn't say anything that would interfere with finding HE, one way or another. So she chooses not to speak about it. SS could speak about the date without worrying since according to him, she was just fine when he left her at her house. He may think he couldn't say anything that would hurt the chances of finding HE. JMO.

 

[CarolinaAsh]

In regards to her SM, I don't think that all of the clues are there as been suggested a few times. I looked over my twitter and fb and honestly if I went missing tomorrow none of it would have anything to do with anything. Unless my husband killed me because I wouldn't let him have a Llama. Unfortunately, true story.

Just sayin'. When you hear hoofbeats, think of horses not zebras.

Occam's Razor! Also the bit about the Llama made me laugh, and has me intrigued!

I have a question in regards to the word SEEM.
In this article it states:

"Elvis’ roommate, the police report said, told officers that Elvis “seemed like she was crying and upset” after Elvis reported a conversation with that man."
http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

The choice to use the word "seem", is odd to me. Wouldn't the roommate know if she was crying and upset? I wonder why it wasn't stated emphatically that Heather was crying and upset, just "seemed" like she was.

IMOO.

I believe it's because it was a phone conversation. Without being physically there to witness her crying it would only "seem" like it because that's what it SOUNDED like over the phone? :moo:

there is a super moon on the 30th, I hope it helps find her.... one way or another.

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Gosh I hope so! lease:

 

[hockeymom4]

She never went to bathroom? To brush her hair? I doubt they were together every minutes of the seven hours. JMO

“I don’t remember her receiving any calls unless someone called her and she just silenced it,” Shiraldi said. “I know she didn’t answer any phone calls.”

I am only saying what the date said. Not what happened. I think it is a ridiculously statement to make because no one is together all time. To say, I KNOW. I find that hard to believe.

 

[Treelights]

It is odd...and now I'm wondering what the EXACT wording was regarding the phone call with the roommate. This sounds like something you'd say if you were referring to a voice message that was left that may not have been heard until the next morning...

But in this article it talks about the 1:44am phone call to the roommate where Heather "seemed" like she was crying and upset,
and then the article also states:


"Warrelmann declined to discuss the nature of the phone call when contacted by the Chronicle.

“I’m not allowed to speak about that at this time,” Warrelmann said."

And:

"Warrelmann, who was in Florida for Christmas break when Elvis disappeared, did say she spoke to Elvis about her date with Shiraldi.

She said that conversation occurred at about 2 a.m. Dec. 18."


So, the times listed in this article was a 1:44am phone call, and also a conversation about 2am with her roommate.

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

Also, in this link is what has been discussed about quotes or no quotes about Heather SEEMED like she was crying and upset.
The article states:
"Elvis’ roommate, the police report said, told officers that Elvis “seemed like she was crying and upset” after Elvis reported a conversation with that man."

So, to me, when the articles states THE POLICE REPORT SAID,
I take that to mean that it was written This Way in the police report.

IMOO.

 

[cluciano63]

The timing of the two calls barely makes sense, 1:44 and about 2am, if the married guy called in between...must have been a very short call "hey I am leaving my wife, bye". Just kidding, but it is all very confusing. I would not be surprised if Heather and the man had been in touch all along, maybe even that night, but the call when he said he was leaving his wife (allegedly) came out of the blue, i.e maybe he and wife had just had it out over Heather and it shocked her.

Anyway...once again, the details are all in the phone records, which LE has had for six weeks now, more or less. Hoping they have a ping trail of some kind as well.