SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #11

[TedMac]

Not sure about the SM issue.

But it's possible she was moved from one location to another.

It's also possible she could be on private property, not necessarily to the knowledge of the owner, but more because it's not a place LE would necessarily look, such as a remote area, or a vast area. She could be in another county or even state. Wherever she is, I believe the responsible person(s) was calculating, as opposed to dumping quickly or just finding what seemed like a remote place.

I don't believe she would be in the PTL area (which seems to be the obvious case) or even near the actual crime scene. There may be multiple scenes depending on how this unfolded and the concerns of the responsible person(s) in obscuring the crime and its evidence, and trying to ensure she's not found. I think the failure to find Lauren Spierer is due to these kinds of fears because of the greater story that would be told by the condition in which Lauren would be found.

What happened to HE may tell too much of a story about who and why, and the hard to find location is related to that.

Just my thoughts.

I believe you got it exactly right about the location. I think the perp(s) had a pre-planned location to dispose of her well before they did whatever they did to her. I think they had from 3:40 am to 6:00 am to carry out their plan. I wouldn't be surprised if she was an hour or so away from Myrtle Beach.

 

[Snowyowl]

Not sure about the SM issue.

But it's possible she was moved from one location to another.

It's also possible she could be on private property, not necessarily to the knowledge of the owner, but more because it's not a place LE would necessarily look, such as a remote area, or a vast area. She could be in another county or even state. Wherever she is, I believe the responsible person(s) was calculating, as opposed to dumping quickly or just finding what seemed like a remote place.

I don't believe she would be in the PTL area (which seems to be the obvious case) or even near the actual crime scene. There may be multiple scenes depending on how this unfolded and the concerns of the responsible person(s) in obscuring the crime and its evidence, and trying to ensure she's not found. I think the failure to find Lauren Spierer is due to these kinds of fears because of the greater story that would be told by the condition in which Lauren would be found.

What happened to HE may tell too much of a story about who and why, and the hard to find location is related to that.

Just my thoughts.

in one of my first posts I theorized something about using a boat. Since they were at a boat launch with a full moon it might not be hard to imagine a body being placed in a cooler/bait container. Maybe an accomplice drove Heathers car while the other one drove his boat on a trailer with container already in the boat?? (maybe event happened somewhere else?)
then after driving Heathers car accomplice got in the vehicle that was pulling the trailer and drove away?? Meanwhile the boat is in the water w/the body in a container. Go down the waterway & access any swampy locations or go right to Atlantic.....
or maybe Heather drove to PTL and met up with the boat,boarded it,and who knows what happened next??
it was mentioned there were a lot of boat storage places around there,since it was a vacation area..and since it was so quiet due to winter & the holidays it might have provided the perfect opportunity for a crime.
I hope these boat/storage places have been searched or at least looked at closer. Maybe boat registrations of all the area compared with boat storage places? Somehow I feel that water is the key. :moo:

 

[CC880]

Last time I gave my weekly opinion I got the thread closed down again.

I think in reference to all the PC and LE questions is simple.

85% of the information was known possibly by the family within the first 24 hours

I believe the Socail Media information started to be discovered and all heck broke loose.

I am split between the family keeping that information private about what was in the report quiet for nearly a month had its good and bads.

And who would have ever thought the support page would grow to 43,000 +

IMO there is no need for LE to hold a PC. They have given the needed info through multiple interviews with various media outlets.

Why no arrest ???

I think they are literally right on it

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm telling you for someone in LE and even on a personal opinion and again my next statement is from only the information I have available publicly

I really wonder if she is still alive !!!!!

There is too much information that points to possible suspect or suspects

But there is also too much information that gives me doubt that maybe just maybe she is missing by her own free will !!!

And that might be the reasons nothing more has been publicly released by LE

I pray for Heather and her family on a regular basis. I truly do.

But I still have a feeling this may turn completely different then anyone expected.

 

[Idon'tneedthesame]

Last time I gave my weekly opinion I got the thread closed down again.

I think in reference to all the PC and LE questions is simple.

85% of the information was known possibly by the family within the first 24 hours

I believe the Socail Media information started to be discovered and all heck broke loose.

I am split between the family keeping that information private about what was in the report quiet for nearly a month had its good and bads.

And who would have ever thought the support page would grow to 43,000 +

IMO there is no need for LE to hold a PC. They have given the needed info through multiple interviews with various media outlets.

Why no arrest ???

I think they are literally right on it

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm telling you for someone in LE and even on a personal opinion and again my next statement is from only the information I have available publicly

I really wonder if she is still alive !!!!!

There is too much information that points to possible suspect or suspects

But there is also too much information that gives me doubt that maybe just maybe she is missing by her own free will !!!

And that might be the reasons nothing more has been publicly released by LE

I pray for Heather and her family on a regular basis. I truly do.

But I still have a feeling this may turn completely different then anyone expected.

I really hope you are right and that she is alive somewhere. I just have this terrible feeling she isn't.

 

[cluciano63]

Once the perp realized her disappearance had not been noticed on Wednesday, he could have moved her away from the dock area. He wouldn't know how long he had, but he knew he had some time, i.e if he could tell by SM and other outlets that she had not even been reported missing. I still think it is very strange that no one tried to reach her on Wednesday or Thursday and became concerned when they could not. For someone always available via phone or SM, it should have been very strange to not be able to make contact. Did BW try? Or her other friends? And no one called or went by her parents' house? Just odd. Seems like most everyone is instantly reachable these days.

 

[thordis]

My husband, who is a phone geek, said you can take the sim card out of one phone into another and it will be as if the person is calling from the original phone. The phone number follows the sim card.

 

[Snowyowl]

I believe you got it exactly right about the location. I think the perp(s) had a pre-planned location to dispose of her well before they did whatever they did to her. I think they had from 3:40 am to 6:00 am to carry out their plan. I wouldn't be surprised if she was an hour or so away from Myrtle Beach.

that time frame might also fit in to the time any fishing people might be getting an early start. Don't know when the sunrise would be or if any hunting seasons like ducks,etc. So any boat being out there at that time of day might not seem as out of place as 2 in the morning.
Since I'm not familiar with the area I'd also assume that there might be many places w/docks right on the waterway.Or vacation places with their own dock??:moo:

 

[hockeymom4]

in one of my first posts I theorized something about using a boat. Since they were at a boat launch with a full moon it might not be hard to imagine a body being placed in a cooler/bait container. Maybe an accomplice drove Heathers car while the other one drove his boat on a trailer with container already in the boat?? (maybe event happened somewhere else?)
then after driving Heathers car accomplice got in the vehicle that was pulling the trailer and drove away?? Meanwhile the boat is in the water w/the body in a container. Go down the waterway & access any swampy locations or go right to Atlantic.....
or maybe Heather drove to PTL and met up with the boat,boarded it,and who knows what happened next??
it was mentioned there were a lot of boat storage places around there,since it was a vacation area..and since it was so quiet due to winter & the holidays it might have provided the perfect opportunity for a crime.
I hope these boat/storage places have been searched or at least looked at closer. Maybe boat registrations of all the area compared with boat storage places? Somehow I feel that water is the key. :moo:

I did think of that awhile back and notice twice she was on a boat, according to her twitter, so she knows people or knows of people who have boats. Once was with TK people. The other time it didn't say with who, but she said she was at boathouse MB.

 

[jillycat]

Here's what also bothers me about the car.

As I understand it, the car was locked. If I was meeting someone and getting into their car, which presumably would be right next to mine, to talk, I don't think I'd lock my car, particularly if the sun was coming up.

And if I was going to go somewhere with someone, I don't think I'd drive all the way to an out of the way location to meet-up to go to another location.

I suppose it's possible she could have initially planned to go to PTL to meet and talk, then after the discussion started she agreed to go somewhere else that made sense to her at the time, so she locked her car before she left with the person.

But that seems like a lot of steps on the part of the person who drove off with her.

 

[cluciano63]

Here's what also bothers me about the car.

As I understand it, the car was locked. If I was meeting someone and getting into their car, which presumably would be right next to mine, to talk, I don't think I'd lock my car, particularly if the sun was coming up.

And if I was going to go somewhere with someone, I don't think I'd drive all the way to an out of the way location to meet-up to go to another location.

I suppose it's possible she could have initially planned to go to PTL to meet and talk, then after the discussion started she agreed to go somewhere else that made sense to her at the time, so she locked her car before she left with the person.

But that seems like a lot of steps on the part of the person who drove off with her.

Maybe they decided, or he told her, he would take her to breakfast someplace in the opposite direction and bring her back to her car. She may have been lured twice, once to the dock and once away from the dock. Or not. Hoping pings know. It would be good if their pings were "traveling" together at some point.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1338064/Youve-got-7-seconds-impress-How-size-men-time.html

Just as we tend to form opinions quickly about a person we are meeting in person, the same can be said when looking over the social media sites of an individual.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/deborah...-an-online-reputation-can-hurt-your-job-hunt/

The above article is geared toward serious job seekers.
A potential employer isn't going to take the time to make excuses for what a person posts. They will read and form an opinion quickly. There won't be contemplative thoughts for the purpose of excusing posts or determining if there's any truth behind them. The decision maker isn't going to be thinking that all young people do this or say that or that's just a retweet of a song title. If references to drugs show up all over a subject's profile, I doubt they'll be overlooked or excused for having no meaning.

Keep this in mind when leaving your personal footprint on social media sites.

 

[CarolinaAsh]

Last time I gave my weekly opinion I got the thread closed down again.

I think in reference to all the PC and LE questions is simple.

85% of the information was known possibly by the family within the first 24 hours

I believe the Socail Media information started to be discovered and all heck broke loose.

I am split between the family keeping that information private about what was in the report quiet for nearly a month had its good and bads.

And who would have ever thought the support page would grow to 43,000 +

IMO there is no need for LE to hold a PC. They have given the needed info through multiple interviews with various media outlets.

Why no arrest ???

I think they are literally right on it

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm telling you for someone in LE and even on a personal opinion and again my next statement is from only the information I have available publicly

I really wonder if she is still alive !!!!!

There is too much information that points to possible suspect or suspects

But there is also too much information that gives me doubt that maybe just maybe she is missing by her own free will !!!

And that might be the reasons nothing more has been publicly released by LE

I pray for Heather and her family on a regular basis. I truly do.

But I still have a feeling this may turn completely different then anyone expected.

I so hope so. I have made all kinds of bargains with any powers that will listen for her to be alive.

 

[Vinny]

I believe you got it exactly right about the location. I think the perp(s) had a pre-planned location to dispose of her well before they did whatever they did to her. I think they had from 3:40 am to 6:00 am to carry out their plan. I wouldn't be surprised if she was an hour or so away from Myrtle Beach.

Isn't the last phone activity at 6:00am?


These seem the most likely possible scenarios to me:

She was setup to be disposed of by someone close(or known) to her that wanted to make sure they couldn't be connected to it. Said person then has an alibi and is able to lure her to PTL.

She was abducted from her home at some point. One perp forces her to drive her car or drives it themselves to PTL while another either follows or takes her to a remote location...

She drives to PTL where she either meets someone and is abducted right there or gets into the car willingly.


Less likely but possible:

She is distraught and goes to PTL to clear her head. Wrong place wrong time kind of thing...


She was being stalked by a predator who followed her there.

 

[jillycat]

Last time I gave my weekly opinion I got the thread closed down again.

I think in reference to all the PC and LE questions is simple.

85% of the information was known possibly by the family within the first 24 hours

I believe the Socail Media information started to be discovered and all heck broke loose.

I am split between the family keeping that information private about what was in the report quiet for nearly a month had its good and bads.

And who would have ever thought the support page would grow to 43,000 +

IMO there is no need for LE to hold a PC. They have given the needed info through multiple interviews with various media outlets.

Why no arrest ???

I think they are literally right on it

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm telling you for someone in LE and even on a personal opinion and again my next statement is from only the information I have available publicly

I really wonder if she is still alive !!!!!

There is too much information that points to possible suspect or suspects

But there is also too much information that gives me doubt that maybe just maybe she is missing by her own free will !!!

And that might be the reasons nothing more has been publicly released by LE

I pray for Heather and her family on a regular basis. I truly do.

But I still have a feeling this may turn completely different then anyone expected.

Have said before that I think there may be surprises once this is solved. I guess that means I have to entertain the possibility that she's alive and pulled a good one on everyone.

But in my heart I don't think she could stand to see her family suffer. Nor do I think she would be able to bear causing that suffering at Christmas while her father pleads for information and remarks on how much getting her gifts meant to him and that they're still under the tree.

I realize missing persons who leave of their own volition do crazy and selfish things.

But...where is she and how has she managed to not be spotted? On what resources is she surviving?

I think she's missing because someone wanted it that way.

 

[LKN NC]

IMO only-
I have hope that the police have reason to be so tight lipped.

I think keeping any and every detail private sometimes may hinder finding a missing person.

For example, here in Charlotte when Kyle Fleischman went missing, almost immediately police released video of him leaving a bar. It seemed that was the last sighting and that he vanished even though there are other known cameras uptown. This led many to believe that he immediately got in a car. . Over a year later another video was released that showed he left that bar and walked to a highly popular late night pizza spot. It seems to me that people may have had a better chance of putting two and two together if they were given full information. Many of the people in town at that bar were from all over the SE due to the Dane Cook show that night and may have never heard the updated info. Meaning if I ask you did you see this guy leaving a bar at closing time, you may recollect if you were at that bar but MANY more people were at the pizza place from all over uptown. If they thought maybe they did see him but were not given info that he was in fact there, it may not have been enough to convince themselves of what they saw. It is late so I hope this makes sense.

In BD's case in MB it would have made more sense to me to ask the public if they saw a girl wearing xyz carrying flipflops that also had on shoes. From my experience "people watching" is what people do as they walk and cruise the strip. That would stand out to me. Also, I now understand that cameras caught her trip to the hotel maybe crossing a bridge but did not have a return trip which would seem to possibly narrow the area.

A conviction is always what we seek but it seems in a missing persons case having their loved ones located whether deceased or alive would trump damaging the investigation.

The pics that were released of HE originally make sense to me in the attempt to gain attention by showcasing HE's youthfulness because it seems many people are not as concerned with missing adults vs missing children. I would do whatever it took to get HE home. Not saying that was the case just IMO.

IMO this was somewhat planned because HE has not be located easily. I am not ruling out a serial stalker or serial killer but the last known calls seem to point to someone she knew.


If the police have any reason to believe HE was taken across state lines or her body was taken across state lines, isn't that reason enough to bring in the FBI? Can any of our LE answer that?

Thanks to this forum for letting us vent our thoughts. That along with praying is all I seem to do these days. Not sure why this case has gripped my heart but I wake up and go to sleep with HE on my mind.:banghead:

 

[jillycat]

Maybe they decided, or he told her, he would take her to breakfast someplace in the opposite direction and bring her back to her car. She may have been lured twice, once to the dock and once away from the dock. Or not. Hoping pings know. It would be good if their pings were "traveling" together at some point.

Yes, I think if she did go to PTL then left with someone, she was lured twice, but that's where it seems like a lot of steps to achieve a goal on the part of the perpetrator.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO only-
I have hope that the police have reason to be so tight lipped.

I think keeping any and every detail private sometimes may hinder finding a missing person.

For example, here in Charlotte when Kyle Fleischman went missing, almost immediately police released video of him leaving a bar. It seemed that was the last sighting and that he vanished even though there are other known cameras uptown. This led many to believe that he immediately got in a car. . Over a year later another video was released that showed he left that bar and walked to a highly popular late night pizza spot. It seems to me that people may have had a better chance of putting two and two together if they were given full information. Many of the people in town at that bar were from all over the SE due to the Dane Cook show that night and may have never heard the updated info. Meaning if I ask you did you see this guy leaving a bar at closing time, you may recollect if you were at that bar but MANY more people were at the pizza place from all over uptown. If they thought maybe they did see him but were not given info that he was in fact there, it may not have been enough to convince themselves of what they saw. It is late so I hope this makes sense.

In BD's case in MB it would have made more sense to me to ask the public if they saw a girl wearing xyz carrying flipflops that also had on shoes. From my experience "people watching" is what people do as they walk and cruise the strip. That would stand out to me. Also, I now understand that cameras caught her trip to the hotel maybe crossing a bridge but did not have a return trip which would seem to possibly narrow the area.

A conviction is always what we seek but it seems in a missing persons case having their loved ones located whether deceased or alive would trump damaging the investigation.

The pics that were released of HE originally make sense to me in the attempt to gain attention by showcasing HE's youthfulness because it seems many people are not as concerned with missing adults vs missing children. I would do whatever it took to get HE home. Not saying that was the case just IMO.

IMO this was somewhat planned because HE has not be located easily. I am not ruling out a serial stalker or serial killer but the last known calls seem to point to someone she knew.


If the police have any reason to believe HE was taken across state lines or her body was taken across state lines, isn't that reason enough to bring in the FBI? Can any of our LE answer that?

Thanks to this forum for letting us vent our thoughts. That along with praying is all I seem to do these days. Not sure why this case has gripped my heart but I wake up and go to sleep with HE on my mind.:banghead:

FBI can help on any case. All LE has to do is ask. Maybe they are helping, behind the scenes, who knows...

 

[TedMac]

Isn't the last phone activity at 6:00am?

BBM
These seem the most likely possible scenarios to me:

She was setup to be disposed of by someone close(or known) to her that wanted to make sure they couldn't be connected to it. Said person then has an alibi and is able to lure her to PTL.

She was abducted from her home at some point. One perp forces her to drive her car or drives it themselves to PTL while another either follows or takes her to a remote location...

She drives to PTL where she either meets someone and is abducted right there or gets into the car willingly.


Less likely but possible:

She is distraught and goes to PTL to clear her head. Wrong place wrong time kind of thing...


She was being stalked by a predator who followed her there.

Yes, the last phone activity was 6 am, but that doesn't mean that HE was the one using it. The perp(s) probably had possession of her phone by then and were using it to set up an alibi.

 

[thordis]

Theory: An older woman, using the cellphone as a way to convey a message to the younger, less experienced woman, to lure her into a situation where her safety was compromised and the older man may have had the opportunity to be an aggressor.

 

[jillycat]

I believe you got it exactly right about the location. I think the perp(s) had a pre-planned location to dispose of her well before they did whatever they did to her. I think they had from 3:40 am to 6:00 am to carry out their plan. I wouldn't be surprised if she was an hour or so away from Myrtle Beach.

Exactly, I don't believe there was any planning panic after what happened to her happened. Somewhere in the car at PTL business lies a portion of the details of the steps of the perp(s) getting her to where she is now.