SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #11

[hockeymom4]

Have said before that I think there may be surprises once this is solved. I guess that means I have to entertain the possibility that she's alive and pulled a good one on everyone.

But in my heart I don't think she could stand to see her family suffer. Nor do I think she would be able to bear causing that suffering at Christmas while her father pleads for information and remarks on how much getting her gifts meant to him and that they're still under the tree.

I realize missing persons who leave of their own volition do crazy and selfish things.

But...where is she and how has she managed to not be spotted? On what resources is she surviving?

I think she's missing because someone wanted it that way.

No one thinks that anyone could leave and do this to their family until they do. Married parents will find their spouse missing and then say, they would never leave the child. We later find that ran away or committed suicide. Or a young adult, middle aged, or older person...same thing. Some times people just surprise us. Of course, it may not be the case. Because SO many times, foul play is the reason.

Where could she be? She could be in another state. I live far from you and not a soul I talked to has a clue who she is or her story. She could be here or somewhere far and no one could know. Her parents didn't know who her last two Ex's were so maybe they didn't know of other friends. She could have had a burner or had another phone from the friend or with her fake id. The friend could be supporting her or she could have been saving all her money. Maybe she has been planning this. I really hope and pray this is the case because then she would be ok.

 

[JaelynKL]

My take on the calls and the date is the date knows HE called TE and BW, but the date didn't see her answer any calls. Doesn't mean she didn't. He just didn't witness it. IMO

From: http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

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Shiraldi said he doesn’t recall Elvis speaking with anyone via cell phone during their date other than her father, Terry Elvis, and Warrelmann.

“I don’t remember her receiving any calls unless someone called her and she just silenced it,” Shiraldi said. “I know she didn’t answer any phone calls.”

By the time I get this typed and sent it probably won't make any sense or will not be relevent to the current conversation. That's why I lurk mostly.

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[Deleted member 39678]

Theory: An older woman, using the cellphone as a way to convey a message to the younger, less experienced woman, to lure her into a situation where her safety was compromised and the older man may have had the opportunity to be an aggressor.

So your saying that theoretically, an older woman could have conspired with an older man to harm Heather. I get it now. Thanks.

 

[NewYork625]

My take on the calls and the date is the date knows HE called TE and BW, but the date didn't see her answer any calls. Doesn't mean she didn't. He just didn't witness it.

From: http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

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Shiraldi said he doesn’t recall Elvis speaking with anyone via cell phone during their date other than her father, Terry Elvis, and Warrelmann.

“I don’t remember her receiving any calls unless someone called her and she just silenced it,” Shiraldi said. “I know she didn’t answer any phone calls.”

By the time I get this typed and sent it probably won't make any sense or will not be relevent to the current conversation. That's why I lurk mostly.

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In the hours the date lasted, HE likely had to use the ladies room at least once. Perhaps out of politeness to her date, or out of secrecy, she used her phone while in the ladies room.

ETA Since she is on her dad's account, he can view usage and see if she did make or receive any calls/texts/have data usage in that time period.

 

[Treelights]

My take on the calls and the date is the date knows HE called TE and BW, but the date didn't see her answer any calls. Doesn't mean she didn't. He just didn't witness it. IMO

From http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynorarticle_e27b8722-81fa-11e3a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm BBM

Shiraldi said he doesn’t recall Elvis speaking with anyone via cell phone during their date other than her father, Terry Elvis, and Warrelmann.

“I don’t remember her receiving any calls unless someone called her and she just silenced it,” Shiraldi said. “I know she didn’t answer any phone calls.”

By the time I get this typed and sent it probably won't make any sense or will not be relevent to the current conversation. That's why I lurk mostly.

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And I am wondering, since there is some confusion about Terry ONLY getting a text from her, and what SS states in the above link on your post about Heather speaking to her dad, is it possible perhaps, Heather mentioned that she was going to call her dad, but in reality called OMM?
That would then make sense that Heather then talked to BW at 1:44am, and that was mentioned in the link previously that I posted about Heather seemed to be crying and upset to BW, and then around 2am, Heather talks to BW again, about her date with SS.
IMOO.

 

[hockeymom4]

In the hours the date lasted, HE likely had to use the ladies room at least once. Perhaps out of politeness to her date, or out of secrecy, she used her phone while in the ladies room.

Right, but why would it not have been disclosed by TE that they spoke during the date. After her pointing that out, looks like he was clearly stating that only no calls were received. Not that any were outgoing. Meaning, hE told him that she talked to her dad.

 

[NewYork625]

Right, but why would it not have been disclosed by TE that they spoke during the date. After her pointing that out, looks like he was clearly stating that only no calls were received. Not that any were outgoing. Meaning, hE told him that she talked to her dad.

I'm slightly confused. I don't know if HE called anyone during her date, dad or otherwise. I'm just suggesting maybe she contacted someone during her date, and the date was unaware of the call/text. I thought the picture was texted to her dad, but I don't know at what time. I also thought she later told him the date went well, but now I can't remember if it was her dad she told that to. Could someone make a timeline of when it was stated calls/texts were made, timing of date, who called who, etc.?
Also, the date did mention that HE received a call/text and ignored it or shut the phone off. Perhaps she did answer it later while in the ladies room?

 

[TAKE]

I'm still trying to get up to speed on thread 11 so bear with me. I have some random musings that collectively mean nothing but definitely make me have some "hmmm" moments. Here goes:

1) Further up someone mentioned the use of chloroform. I do know there is one of HE's SM (twitter I think) with a meme that says something like "I just love it when a date greets me with chloroform."

2) I seem to remember a mention of her license being on the seat of her car. If she left on her own accord, that would be with her IMHO. If she felt it important enough to drive with and the fact that so many states use that as a form of official identification, I feel if she took nothing else she would have taken that.

3) Surrounding phone calls and who HE was really talking to that night. Let's say OMM was calling her from a payphone for whatever reason and O M W was using OMMs phone to contact HE at the same time, that would raise questions right? Maybe OMM was warning HE that O M W was on the warpath and to be careful. After this, she and OMM rendezvous at PTL but O M W shows up somewhere thereafter.....

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[abashfulben]

My greatest fear for the Elvis family is that this was pre-meditated. I am not sure who did this, but I am convinced she would not do this to her family.

My hope is that LE has been following any potential suspects because if someone were to be able to leave the state and not be followed, how simple would it be to just dump something in say, Orlando, when no one is investigating, expecting, or seeking any answers to a particular cause in a particular area.




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[onlyjustice]

Last time I gave my weekly opinion I got the thread closed down again.

I think in reference to all the PC and LE questions is simple.

85% of the information was known possibly by the family within the first 24 hours

I believe the Socail Media information started to be discovered and all heck broke loose.

I am split between the family keeping that information private about what was in the report quiet for nearly a month had its good and bads.

And who would have ever thought the support page would grow to 43,000 +

IMO there is no need for LE to hold a PC. They have given the needed info through multiple interviews with various media outlets.

Why no arrest ???

I think they are literally right on it

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm telling you for someone in LE and even on a personal opinion and again my next statement is from only the information I have available publicly

I really wonder if she is still alive !!!!!

There is too much information that points to possible suspect or suspects

But there is also too much information that gives me doubt that maybe just maybe she is missing by her own free will !!!

And that might be the reasons nothing more has been publicly released by LE

I pray for Heather and her family on a regular basis. I truly do.

But I still have a feeling this may turn completely different then anyone expected.

I hope that you are right and Heather is still alive...but I don't feel that way...I hate that she was so sad that night. I wonder if she was sad because of the older "friend" possibly being jealous of her date...I hope that her friend will elaborate more on that and shares it.

 

[Snowyowl]

And I am wondering, since there is some confusion about Terry ONLY getting a text from her, and what SS states in the above link on your post about Heather speaking to her dad, is it possible perhaps, Heather mentioned that she was going to call her dad, but in reality called OMM?
That would then make sense that Heather then talked to BW at 1:44am, and that was mentioned in the link previously that I posted about Heather seemed to be crying and upset to BW, and then around 2am, Heather talks to BW again, about her date with SS.
IMOO.

except I would think since SS mentioned Heather only talked to 2-BW and TE and that he didn't notice any others. SS also said she seemed OK. Unless Heather could hide things well and maybe went to bathroom.
Maybe Heather said she was tired cuz she was talking w/OM and was going home to deal with it?? Maybe she was smart enuf to have a buddy sytem going on so that person could be aware of what was REALLY going on??
:moo:

 

[Snowyowl]

My take on the calls and the date is the date knows HE called TE and BW, but the date didn't see her answer any calls. Doesn't mean she didn't. He just didn't witness it. IMO

From: http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

BBM

Shiraldi said he doesn’t recall Elvis speaking with anyone via cell phone during their date other than her father, Terry Elvis, and Warrelmann.

“I don’t remember her receiving any calls unless someone called her and she just silenced it,” Shiraldi said. “I know she didn’t answer any phone calls.”

By the time I get this typed and sent it probably won't make any sense or will not be relevent to the current conversation. That's why I lurk mostly.

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maybe some people might consider "speaking with anyone via cell phone" as a text message too? guess it depends on how interpreted.
I still feel like this is make work to get sleuthers busy & out of the way. Kinda like Look here! :moo:

 

[cluciano63]

Wouldn't she have deleted the if she did not put it there? Or close the page and open a new one? Instead she keeps posting on it?

 

[Treelights]

except I would think since SS mentioned Heather only talked to 2-BW and TE and that he didn't notice any others. SS also said she seemed OK. Unless Heather could hide things well and maybe went to bathroom.
Maybe Heather said she was tired cuz she was talking w/OM and was going home to deal with it?? Maybe she was smart enuf to have a buddy sytem going on so that person could be aware of what was REALLY going on??
:moo:

And that's what I meant about maybe Heather mentioned to SS that she was going to talk to BW and her dad, but in reality perhaps Heather talked to BW and called OMM instead of her dad, which would make sense that it has been stated that Terry only received a text from Heather, not a call.
And SS would not be the wiser, thinking that she was talking to her dad, when in reality she talked to OMM, and not her dad, perhaps.
IMOO.

 

[lovinlife83]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1338064/Youve-got-7-seconds-impress-How-size-men-time.html



Just as we tend to form opinions quickly about a person we are meeting in person, the same can be said when looking over the social media sites of an individual.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/deborah...-an-online-reputation-can-hurt-your-job-hunt/



The above article is geared toward serious job seekers.

A potential employer isn't going to take the time to make excuses for what a person posts. They will read and form an opinion quickly. There won't be contemplative thoughts for the purpose of excusing posts or determining if there's any truth behind them. The decision maker isn't going to be thinking that all young people do this or say that or that's just a retweet of a song title. If references to drugs show up all over a subject's profile, I doubt they'll be overlooked or excused for having no meaning.



Keep this in mind when leaving your personal footprint on social media sites.

Haha agreed, my husband is in HR and canceled his sm sites long ago for that reason. I keep my personal sm pages set to super private (even though I have 400 fb friends only a handful can see pics of my kids and other inappropriate comedy type posts). I actually used people browser the other day to double check mine. I couldn't find anything out of line for me, I was very pleased. I think more and more people will slowly do the same. At 20 you're not that worried about it, but at 25+ you realize it's time to play the part and look perfect. Use those privacy settings, they are your friend




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[lovinlife83]

Wouldn't she have deleted the if she did not put it there? Or close the page and open a new one? Instead she keeps posting on it?

I had mentioned before that if she was using her phone and re posting stuff, she may not have looked at her actual homepage. I've had friends on fb who didn't realize their profile had started posting shoe adds and until someone told them. In some cases my friends couldn't see it, but we all could.

If 10 posts were made (allegedly) that evening the is the posts right before it right? So her account could have been hacked a few days prior. An ex could have logged on and did it to mess with her. We also established that the tumbler posts may not have been made at the time shown because of the possibility of backdating, forward dating, and computer/phone time creating a false record.


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[Vinny]

The thought of chloroform makes me shiver but it has crossed my mind.

Don't recall the license issue...has this info been released and I missed it?

Chloroform is not a realistic way of subduing someone. What you see in the movies is not at all how it would work. It takes some time and the dosing has to be right because it can easily be fatal.

 

[cujenn81]

I'm trying very hard to convey what my husband is trying to say...



After OMM had a conversation with HE, someone, (OMW, OMM) took his phone and lured HE to a situation where she was compromised (safety, life, other)



This call/calls/texts

were made using either the actual phone or the SIM card which would make the call show that it is coming from OMM's phone. The phone number (as it shows up in the caller ID) is the "bait" for HE to answer.



A SIM card is easily removed from and replaced into the original phone. Even without the knowledge of the owner of the phone.



Any contact from the phone could then direct HE to the locations where HE could be tracked and then made to look as bad for her husband as possible. With the goal of keeping herself appearing to be without phone contact with HE.

This def sounds like a plausible theory but IMO the OMW in question just doesn't seem that smart.


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[jillycat]

Chloroform is not a realistic way of subduing someone. What you see in the movies is not at all how it would work. It takes some time and the dosing has to be right because it can easily be fatal.

I have no perspective on chloroform in the movies. The most recent case I recall was that of Jessica Ridgeway where the perpetrator used homemade chloroform in a kidnapping attempt. His victim overpowered him when she first smelled a substance. That's why he sought a smaller victim.

In Heather's case, I believe death was the greater goal, so a fatality would likely be viewed by the perpetrator a plus.

It occurred to me because I think this was a situation where swiftness was desired. I don't know how she was subdued but chemicals I would think would be an option to avoid a fight. I'm sure there are an array of other options as well.

 

[Snowyowl]

I have no perspective on chloroform in the movies. The most recent case I recall was that of Jessica Ridgeway where the perpetrator used homemade chloroform in a kidnapping attempt. His victim overpowered him when she first smelled a substance. That's why he sought a smaller victim.

In Heather's case, I believe death was the greater goal, so a fatality would likely be viewed by the perpetrator a plus.

It occurred to me because I think this was a situation where swiftness was desired. I don't know how she was subdued but chemicals I would think would be an option to avoid a fight. I'm sure there are an array of other options as well.

are there still date rape drugs going around??seems like a perfect choice :moo: