SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #11

[SharetheLight]

YES, Clemsongurl- On 1-9-2012 #811



Verified Insider Creek-Ratz said --"Car was driven to fathers home. So, must have had fuel in it".



I remembered it too.

Thank you!
Creek-Ratz was responding to the post above where someone asked if car had gas in it.
But I guess since they are a VI we can take the whole statement as fact.

 

[Victory]

Im trying to find an interview with the father where he explains what happens immediately after the car being reported as abandoned. Has anyone checked that interview tonight to see if he mentions the car being driven back to his home?

 

[SharetheLight]

I think to speculate where Heather may be we have to look into who made her disappear because they would, most likely, take her to an area they are familiar with. And we aren't allowed to look into anyone in that manner until they are named a suspect.
We could I guess speculate based on her last phone contact and when car was discovered how far away from her car she may be.

 

[CarolinaAsh]

Thank you!
Creek-Ratz was responding to the post above where someone asked if car had gas in it.
But I guess since they are a VI we can take the whole statement as fact.

BBM - Yep!

 

[margarita25]

I haven't been thinking water much either, but access to boats, if any POI's have them, is worrisome, so near the open sea.

All the marshy swampy areas are worrisome as well, imo.

Remember :rose: Kathlynn Shepard :rose: and the bridge? If someone was in a hurry, a toss from a bridge could be likely.
(*still unbelievable, the name and story behind that bridge---again, the "coincidences" we see here...)


<eta: My God, what an absolutely heartbreaking case. I don't think I'll ever forget it. I sure learned a lot from it, tracking MJK, what a monster>

 

[cluciano63]

Her dad says she had never gone 24 hours without calling someone..yet it was closer to 48 hours when the car was found and no one sounded an alarm. Surely people, friends, were texting or calling her on Wed. and/or Thursday...how is it no one was alarmed when they did not hear back? Everyone is reachable nowadays. Did she "drop out" for periods of time before? Did her date try to call? Did her roommate try to make contact, to find out more about what had upset her? Very strange to me that no one seemed to find it strange enough to call her family, IMO.

 

[SharetheLight]

Im trying to find an interview with the father where he explains what happens immediately after the car being reported as abandoned. Has anyone checked that interview tonight to see if he mentions the car being driven back to his home?

I have and he doesn't say anything about the car after he unlocked it.

 

[margarita25]

Question for foxfire, or anyone else who cares to answer :

Have you come across any stats or patterns that demonstrate a clear difference of any sort between the disposal methods of female vs male perps? TIA (I guess I could google it, but you know, for discussion purposes :square:...)

 

[lovinlife83]

I noticed that when I go to the media threads page, several of the links to early stories have since been updated several times making some of the old info we verified not verifiable anymore. What do we do in that situation?


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[paris_paris]

Question for foxfire, or anyone else who cares to answer :

Have you come across any stats or patterns that demonstrate a clear difference of any sort between the disposal methods of female vs male perps? TIA (I guess I could google it, but you know, for discussion purposes :square:...)

I found this link interesting.

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all

 

[jillycat]

What occurs to me, and this could apply to any case I suppose, is that a perpetrator would likely be willing to take some measure of risk in involving his or her own property, or that of a family member or associate, or, some other personally traveled turf because he or she would have more control over the environment. Dumping in an unfamiliar location runs the risk of a farmer, or fisherman, or worker, or dog walker/jogger coming across a crime scene or dumping ground.

So if a perpetrator's personality is controlling or domineering, it makes sense to me that he or she would choose a place that maximizes personal control.

I think whoever did this wanted to control Heather and ultimately eliminate her from having influence on the life of the perpetrator. So it follows that the control and personality issues would be reflected in what happened to Heather and where she is now.

I guess this is what I was chasing when I asked what is the simplest answer in the big picture. I think there is a simple logic, if you will, to how the responsible party went about this.

 

[margarita25]

What occurs to me, and this could apply to any case I suppose, is that a perpetrator would likely be willing to take some measure of risk in involving his or her own property, or that of a family member or associate, or, some other personally traveled turf because he or she would have more control over the environment. Dumping in an unfamiliar location runs the risk of a farmer, or fisherman, or worker, or dog walker/jogger coming across a crime scene or dumping ground.

So if a perpetrator's personality is controlling or domineering, it makes sense to me that he or she would choose a place that maximizes personal control.<respectfully snipped for clarity>

Great post. This reminds me of Tim Bosma's case and where he was found (Millard farm property, IIRC).

 

[margarita25]

You know, I just wish I knew where RAT put Alexis Murphy (as does her family, bless their hearts). I feel like knowing this could possibly be helpful in other missing persons cases. jmo

 

[Snowyowl]

My hunch is she did drive the car there. Her personal familiarity with the place would indicate that anyway. If a perp did it he would have to know her well enough to know this, and that to me seems like it would likely be uncovered eventually.

Which, if true, is a crime in and of itself imo.

Snowyowl, I want to hug and pet your Snowyowl picture but for real!
Even if I had a snowyowl available, I know he wouldn't let me.
Doesn't he look like he's ready for a conversation though? lol!

It depends on who's defining "crime" I have some experience working w/LE & have personally heard this stated on more than one occasion over the years.
If you've read Harry Potter you might remember his snowy owl, which was quite cuddly and a messenger. I wouldn't recommend hugging or petting any other snowy owl tho!
I've always loved owls-prolly cuz I'm a nite shift person and owls are quiet,observant & very stealthful. I'm always trying to look deeper into things and never assume anything! My kids even knew to toe the line when I gave em my "look". No need for any other punishment

 

[Wondergirl]

What occurs to me, and this could apply to any case I suppose, is that a perpetrator would likely be willing to take some measure of risk in involving his or her own property, or that of a family member or associate, or, some other personally traveled turf because he or she would have more control over the environment. Dumping in an unfamiliar location runs the risk of a farmer, or fisherman, or worker, or dog walker/jogger coming across a crime scene or dumping ground.

So if a perpetrator's personality is controlling or domineering, it makes sense to me that he or she would choose a place that maximizes personal control.

I think whoever did this wanted to control Heather and ultimately eliminate her from having influence on the life of the perpetrator. So it follows that the control and personality issues would be reflected in what happened to Heather and where she is now.

I guess this is what I was chasing when I asked what is the simplest answer in the big picture. I think there is a simple logic, if you will, to how the responsible party went about this.

Awesome post.

Close to home would be my guess. Where he or she could be sure nobody was looking.

 

[cluciano63]

I think if the perp is close to the victim, they will take the body further away, with more thought put into it. A random predator, IMO, is more likely to just leave the body where he kills the victim and flee, knowing there is nothing to connect him to the victim. JMO

Also, the perp known/close to victim usually does not want body found, so they can use the "she ran off" story (except when murdered for insurance money.)

 

[Foxfire]

All the marshy swampy areas are worrisome as well, imo.

Remember :rose: Kathlynn Shepard :rose: and the bridge? If someone was in a hurry, a toss from a bridge could be likely.
(*still unbelievable, the name and story behind that bridge---again, the "coincidences" we see here...)


<eta: My God, what an absolutely heartbreaking case. I don't think I'll ever forget it. I sure learned a lot from it, tracking MJK, what a monster>

Yes it was/is an absolutely heartbreaking case, margarita25. A statement made by retired FBI BSU/BAU pioneer; Roger L. Depue, always comes to mind in abduction cases with such a tragic ending as Kathylnn Shepard's; My work has given me a profound respect for what humans suffer at the hands of evil, and a particular sensitivity for what its victims endure. During every investigation that I participate in, there is always an invisible observer at my shoulder, whose presence I never forget. Regardless of the circumstances of a case, I am always giving voice to its silent victim.

What must this young girl&#8217;s final minutes have been like? Did she cry out while he was repeatedly stabbing her, or keep silent, breathing like a wounded animal, watching for the next glint of a blade? Did her thoughts turn to her parents in those final seconds, when she was overwhelmed by the deepest loneliness she had ever known? Did she experience a dissociative response, the sense of drifting upward and watching her own death as if from above? Or did she sink mercifully into unconsciousness, and feel nothing as her life ebbed away?


http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...g-criminal-penalties/article?odyssey=obinsite

House panel OKs tougher penalties on offenders in wake of Kathlynn Shepard case
<sniped & BBM>
&#8220;Our community has been awesome coming together, but since we do live in such a small town you don&#8217;t see kids running around like they used to,&#8221; she said. She added that she approved of the proposed legislation, saying, &#8220;I think it will keep these monsters in prison longer.&#8221;

Her husband gave a brief statement recounting her daughter&#8217;s last words to her friend, 12-year-old DH, after they were both abducted.

&#8220;We don&#8217;t deserve this,&#8221; Kathylynn Shepard told her friend.

 

[EmmaRose]

Too much time passed before she was reported missing, IMO, to make a good estimate. The perp may have even moved her, once he realized no one knew she was missing on Wednesday and into Thursday. Also, there does not seem to be a solid sighting and time as to when the truck was parked at the landing. JMO

One thing we know is the perp had some time to hide Heather. I have read that criminals often hide bodies in areas in which they are very familiar. If she is not in the local area, I would hope to find out if any person of interest traveled back to the town where they grew up, for instance.

 

[Aeronomy]

Question for foxfire, or anyone else who cares to answer :

Have you come across any stats or patterns that demonstrate a clear difference of any sort between the disposal methods of female vs male perps? TIA (I guess I could google it, but you know, for discussion purposes :square:...)

I can't answer you about the disposal methods though I do believe women are less likely to bury a body. My guess is a woman would first stuff the body into something and tie it up tight.

Here's an FBI link that may help you. Murder Stats by Relationship Type. The one I've linked is on murder circumstances by relationship, but there's many, many more there.

 

[Snowyowl]

I don't. Haven't seen LE issue any statements.
Only know that the media retracted the info which may be because of HIPPA as you pointed out.

Although they did put the visit on another HE, supposedly a minor. So who knows?

It's difficult for me to believe that whoever (is trained?) to make those calls to the hospital would accept just a name as evidence without verifying date of birth or middle name. Floors me really. :twocents:

In one of the media pieces I believe that "other" Heather was explained as a long distant relative. Since we don't have any provided info would it be stretching the imagination to deduce she might not have been involved in an altercation w/OUR Heather.
I hope this is OK to discuss. Maybe there WAS some kind of connection since LE only seems to have "cleared" 2 people :moo: