SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

[Snowyowl]

I wonder if it's possible that Heather may have initially been "trapped" or "locked in" somewhere? Kinda like thrown in the back of a van & being taken for a ride?? Or in a boat?
Since she had said she couldn't count on friends and she knew roomie not here she might have been desperate to call ANYBODY she knew? That might have led OM to say stop bothering me & claiming last time he saw her was October. It seems like it might have been someone she knew cuz if still had phone then maybe coulda called 911-or maybe did?
If being taken for a ride then pings would show direction??what would be the 3 hours radius that she might have gone (allowing for stops maybe)?

 

[NewYork625]

LE has never mentioned the other name shown in the police report and still don't. Yet they put SM's name out there. For what it is worth.

Also, no mention of phone calls between HE and JF.

 

[nosysw]

Relevant excerpts below:


Horry County police records are focusing on telephone activity that occurred as late as 6 a.m. Dec. 18 between Heather Elvis’ cell phone and a man with whom she had a relationship history, according to documents obtained by the Carolina Forest Chronicle...

The phone activity occurred about four hours after Elvis’ last known whereabouts on Dec. 18, and the man identified in the report was nearly twice her age, documents show...

According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date. The calls were back and forth between the victim and the older man, the report said.

more at link:
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html[/quote]


Aeronomy,
Above BBM and IBM:
The above was my edited post w/ excerpted quotes. I thought this was the article we were all discussing.

Sorry- I tried to multiquote to add your post but it didn't work right.

 

[PPKik]

What degree of evidence/suspicion is required to obtain a search permit?

I believe "probable cause." IMO, that is a very flexible term.

In United States criminal law, probable cause (also referred to as reasonable cause) is the standard by which an officer or agent of the law has the grounds to obtain a warrant for, or as an exception to the warrant requirements for, making an arrest or conducting a personal or property search, etc. when criminal charges are being considered. It is also used to refer to the standard to which a grand jury believes that a crime has been committed. This term comes from the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution:

Probable cause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hatfield]

Sorry to throw out another "what if"....

Lets go with what the roomate said the call was about. And lets try to put ourselves in the position of the male for a minute. If anyone has ever had a long term relationship sour and you really think it is over for good, it is a drastic feeling.

Now, lets suppose that the female that you now think will become your new mate has already moved on and gets upset at the news when you thought she would be happy about it. Now lets say you almost could not even get her to meet with you, but she finally does and when you arrive, she is there to explain to you that it is over.

It would be tough to take 2 "NOs" or 2 "Overs" in 1 night.

 

[NewYork625]

Sorry to throw out another "what if"....

Lets go with what the roomate said the call was about. And lets try to put ourselves in the position of the male for a minute. If anyone has ever had a long term relationship sour and you really think it is over for good, it is a drastic feeling.

Now, lets suppose that the female that you now think will become your new mate has already moved on and gets upset at the news when you thought she would be happy about it. Now lets say you almost could not even get her to meet with you, but she finally does and when you arrive, she is there to explain to you that it is over.

It would be tough to take 2 "NOs" or 2 "Overs" in 1 night.

...and if asked what you were talking about earlier and the truth wasn't a good answer (and you didn't have any idea the roommate knew what you said), it might occur to you to reverse who said what....

 

[cluciano63]

I guess if a mention was made in regards to a meeting at the place her car was found, and if that mention was not made until closer to six am, then they probably have an idea that she had her phone the whole time. At least, that would be a fair assumption, IMO, if this were the case.

 

[jeandrews]

I keep wondering where his wife was while all this calling/texting was occurring.

Perhaps she was standing by her man. MOO

 

[PPKik]

Relevant excerpts below:




The phone activity occurred about four hours after Elvis’ last known whereabouts on Dec. 18, and the man identified in the report was nearly twice her age, documents show...

According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date. The calls were back and forth between the victim and the older man, the report said.

more at link:
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html

[snipped for space by me]


So, any thoughts on why LE and TE are giving two very different times for the same event? Way over a month after HE went missing.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm thinking when Terry couldn't locate Heather, he called her places of work. They'd have told him if she worked there or not. Since the interview with Nancy was in January, I'm going with what Terry said - that Heather worked two jobs. He even specifically named House Of Blues but referred to Tilted Kilt as a local pub.

Just to add my :twocents:
When I joined Heather's case you guys were on thread two iirc.
Every conversation by then was Tilted Kilt.
I never once heard HOB referenced.

When I watched the first Nancy Grace coverage of Heather's case, Nancy repeated several times House of Blues, that H worked at House of Blues.
I was thinking, what the heck?

That's when I went back to the first thread and read the whole thread and found HOB stated as a place where H worked. I could swear it was even on a missing poster. I just went back to thread one a little while ago and found the January 20 article wherein TE mentions H worked at HOB as one of her jobs.

Since I had no luck listening to the radio show, I'll go back and search again because the whole issue has been bugging me (why it seems so hard to pin down specifics about H, especially during her last week).

Plus, what happened to H's server job at Capriz? Her tweets, the ones I can see, go through the end of August and then get less and less up thru November. Did she have a bad experience or fizzle out at Capriz for some reason?
Are any locals familiar with Capriz? Could she make good tips there as a server?

When reading her tweets, one can tell that her friends and work seemed to revolve mostly around Tilted Kilt. Heather never told one story from Capriz. Said her first day was pretty great and then not much else. Why? Did she leave, get fired, not pass a trial period, what?

The "possibly" violent ex bf was noted as "possibly" working at HOB. That's how I recall it stated on the PR anyway. Two times "possibly". :twocents:

 

[jillycat]

I agree.

Though long after LE was saying back and forth until 6am, TE was insisting last call was at 3:41am. That was confusing to many beside myself.

If a person is missing, why wouldn't one want last accurate communication time to be known? I'm not clear on the difference between texts and talking as far as communicating is concerned.

Unless it is known that someone did have HE's phone, I'm still not sure what the significance is of insisting on that 3:41am time, unless he was suggesting she was definitely talking to a known person. As opposed to "anyone," who could be texting. I would expect the family to clear confusion when asking tens of thousands for help. Simple to say: "We know it was HE at 3:41am," if that is true.

LE hasn't said when last ping was or from where, right?

TE said the last time the phone was used was at 3:41. He said it was turned off after that and he went on to say that was unlike Heather to turn off her phone. That's what makes it confusing.

If that remark about usage is not correct (for whatever reason), and there was still phone usage until 6:00, as per two reports now, it still wouldn't matter what kind of communication was used. The record would show the time and duration of any activity.

My question is who was using the phone all that time after Heather's last contact with her roommate? We don't know.

There's no information on pings that we can discuss here. But it would be interesting to know for certain where the phones in question were during all the activity that's said to have gone on until 6:00.

It's a problem for a person if the claim is he wanted no more calls, then his phone was part of a "back and forth" for a period of time, but it's a bigger problem if his phone was not a reasonable distance from Heather's phone, or not at a location that makes sense, while all this was going on.

I've always felt the phone records, both activity log and pings, tell a good deal of this story.

The other thing is, according to the media article on the police report, OM stated he had called Heather "the night before", as in the 17th, to tell her to stop calling. How does that work if his phone was involved in the later exchanges that flowed into the 18th?

Again, where were the two phones according to ping records for this period of time?

That's what I'd like to know.

 

[NewYork625]

Perhaps she was standing by her man. MOO

and if that were the case...maybe he did tell her to leave him alone and she wouldn't take no for an answer...his wife could have had some input into what was said, or she could have been aware of the conversation and his insistence it was over...maybe HE did say she would drive to PTL and hoped he would come and talk with her in person...and then maybe either one of them, or both of them met her there...or maybe it was a random stranger...
or...maybe she told him it was over, and one or the other of them (pretending to be him) insisted on meeting her there...

 

[CC880]

I must say I am so happy with My Horry News for the interview today.

Bravo Bravo!!!!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I guess if a mention was made in regards to a meeting at the place her car was found, and if that mention was not made until closer to six am, then they probably have an idea that she had her phone the whole time. At least, that would be a fair assumption, IMO, if this were the case.

Oh, this reminded me, on the first page of thread one there's a post about the car being called in to LE by "Michael", a woman iirc. Car had been there since MONDAY.

Wth?

How did the car go from being noticed on Monday to not being checked out until late on Thursday?
I know we've discussed this but really, really want to know.
There can't be this many conflicts in this case if people are trying to tell the truth.

Is this the mix up trick? Somebody is feeding false information or the news department needs an overhall. Do they even care what they put out to the public? :banghead:

Imo it would be difficult to make the first report up. Um, let's see, I think I'll report the person saw the car at PTL since Monday. Why?

 

[Hatfield]

Just to add my :twocents:
When I joined Heather's case you guys were on thread two iirc.
Every conversation by then was Tilted Kilt.
I never once heard HOB referenced.

When I watched the first Nancy Grace coverage of Heather's case, Nancy repeated several times House of Blues, that H worked at House of Blues.
I was thinking, what the heck?

That's when I went back to the first thread and read the whole thread and found HOB stated as a place where H worked. I could swear it was even on a missing poster. I just went back to thread one a little while ago and found the January 20 article wherein TE mentions H worked at HOB as one of her jobs.

Since I had no luck listening to the radio show, I'll go back and search again because the whole issue has been bugging me (why it seems so hard to pin down specifics about H, especially during her last week).

Plus, what happened to H's server job at Capriz? Her tweets, the ones I can see, go through the end of August and then get less and less up thru November. Did she have a bad experience or fizzle out at Capriz for some reason?
Are any locals familiar with Capriz? Could she make good tips there as a server?

When reading her tweets, one can tell that her friends and work seemed to revolve mostly around Tilted Kilt. Heather never told one story from Capriz. Said her first day was pretty great and then not much else. Why? Did she leave, get fired, not pass a trial period, what?

The "possibly" violent ex bf was noted as "possibly" working at HOB. That's how I recall it stated on the PR anyway. Two times "possibly". :twocents:

As far as the HOB, I wonder if she was still on "active reserve" but not necessarily going there regularly until they called her to tell her they needed her.

If the season was slowing down, they may keep people as "active" employees and just call them back when they really need them. Others that work at the HOB would be able to tell us if that is how they do things.

 

[Vinny]

I must say I am so happy with My Horry News for the interview today.

Bravo Bravo!!!!

I'm happy for the attention but feel like it only raised even more questions.

 

[nosysw]

Just to add my :twocents:
When I joined Heather's case you guys were on thread two iirc.
Every conversation by then was Tilted Kilt.
I never once heard HOB referenced.

When I watched the first Nancy Grace coverage of Heather's case, Nancy repeated several times House of Blues, that H worked at House of Blues.
I was thinking, what the heck?

That's when I went back to the first thread and read the whole thread and found HOB stated as a place where H worked. I could swear it was even on a missing poster. I just went back to thread one a little while ago and found the January 20 article wherein TE mentions H worked at HOB as one of her jobs.

Since I had no luck listening to the radio show, I'll go back and search again because the whole issue has been bugging me (why it seems so hard to pin down specifics about H, especially during her last week).

Plus, what happened to H's server job at Capriz? Her tweets, the ones I can see, go through the end of August and then get less and less up thru November. Did she have a bad experience or fizzle out at Capriz for some reason?
Are any locals familiar with Capriz? Could she make good tips there as a server?

When reading her tweets, one can tell that her friends and work seemed to revolve mostly around Tilted Kilt. Heather never told one story from Capriz. Said her first day was pretty great and then not much else. Why? Did she leave, get fired, not pass a trial period, what?

The "possibly" violent ex bf was noted as "possibly" working at HOB. That's how I recall it stated on the PR anyway. Two times "possibly". :twocents:

I recall initially hearing about HOB, but then I thought I remembered someone saying she no longer worked there. But, I'm not sure, because I also thought I remembered some questioning why TK was supporting the family and search efforts and HOB didn't seem to be mentioning it. All to my (very poor) recollection.

Re: Capriz, I'm sure a local will chime in but as a frequent "tourist" there, I feel like I remember hearing about it as a higher end Italian restaurant. So, as a waitress, she would probably get better tips than as a hostess at TK, I would think. Now, I have to go look up an ad for them and see if my recollection is correct on this one.

ETA:

http://www.caprizitalianfeast.com/location/

So, here's the link. Doesn't seem that high end, but it is part of the T-Bonz, Liberty Steakhouse, Flying Fish group, and none of them are cheap. And they're very popular.

 

[Hatfield]

Oh, this reminded me, on the first page of thread one there's a post about the car being called in to LE by "Michael", a woman iirc. Car had been there since MONDAY.

Wth?

How did the car go from being noticed on Monday to not being checked out until late on Thursday?
I know we've discussed this but really, really want to know.
There can't be this many conflicts in this case if people are trying to tell the truth.

Is this the mix up trick? Somebody is feeding false information or the news department needs an overhall. Do they even care what they put out to the public? :banghead:

Imo it would be difficult to make the first report up. Um, let's see, I think I'll report the person saw the car at PTL since Monday. Why?

You probably remember the discussions about this.....Some have opined that HE may have met at PTL quite a few times. During some of those times, she may have left her car there for lengthy periods of time.

If "Michael" just happened to look out the window Monday and see HE car there for a few hours and then left their house for the evening and never thoguht about it much more. Then on Thursday, "Michael" notices the car there again, they may think it had never left.

Maybe a mixup of that nature.

 

[PPKik]

TE said the last time the phone was used was at 3:41. He said it was turned off after that and he went on to say that was unlike Heather to turn off her phone. That's what makes it confusing.

If that remark about usage is not correct (for whatever reason), and there was still phone usage until 6:00, as per two reports now, it still wouldn't matter what kind of communication was used. The record would show the time and duration of any activity.

My question is who was using the phone all that time after Heather's last contact with her roommate? We don't know.

There's no information on pings that we can discuss here. But it would be interesting to know for certain where the phones in question were during all the activity that's said to have gone on until 6:00.

It's a problem for a person if the claim is he wanted no more calls, then his phone was part of a "back and forth" for a period of time, but it's a bigger problem if his phone was not a reasonable distance from Heather's phone, or not at a location that makes sense, while all this was going on.

I've always felt the phone records, both activity log and pings, tell a good deal of this story.

The other thing is, according to the media article on the police report, OM stated he had called Heather "the night before", as in the 17th, to tell her to stop calling. How does that work if his phone was involved in the later exchanges that flowed into the 18th?

Again, where were the two phones according to ping records for this period of time?

That's what I'd like to know.

I agree with all you said, but one thing.

On Jan. 30, 2014, TE wrote "last call was at 3:41am."

I wrote about this weird discrepancy a few days ago, including a link, but my post vanished. Don't know why, as link is considered MSM.

 

[NewYork625]

I agree with all you said, but one thing.

On Jan. 30, 2014, TE wrote "last call was at 3:41am."

I wrote about this weird discrepancy a few days ago, including a link, but my post vanished. Don't know why, as link is considered MSM.

Last call maybe, but not necessarily last text, IM, etc.