SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

[jillycat]

I agree with all you said, but one thing.

On Jan. 30, 2014, TE wrote "last call was at 3:41am."

I wrote about this weird discrepancy a few days ago, including a link, but my post vanished. Don't know why, as link is considered MSM.

I linked to this previously, along with the link saying the last time there was activity was 6:00:

"We know that the cell phone was last used 3:41 Wednesday morning, AM. That`s been confirmed. I found that the first night when I -- her phone is actually on our account, and I pulled up the information, and that was the last known use of the phone."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1401/06/ng.01.html

I don't know why the discrepancy between the times.

 

[PPKik]

Last call maybe, but not necessarily last text, IM, etc.

Right. But I was responding to quote below and unnecessary conflicting statements about last known phone usage. I'm not going back to Dec., but the end of Jan. A phone bill is not that complicated, but it is being made to seem so.

Why?


Originally Posted by jillycat View Post
TE said the last time the phone was used was at 3:41. He said it was turned off after that and he went on to say that was unlike Heather to turn off her phone. That's what makes it confusing.

 

[jillycat]

Right. But I was responding to quote below and unnecessary conflicting statements about last known phone usage. I'm not going back to Dec., but the end of Jan. A phone bill is not that complicated, but it is being made to seem so.

Why?


Originally Posted by jillycat View Post
TE said the last time the phone was used was at 3:41. He said it was turned off after that and he went on to say that was unlike Heather to turn off her phone. That's what makes it confusing.

See post above.

 

[NewYork625]

Right. But I was responding to quote below and unnecessary conflicting statements about last known phone usage. I'm not going back to Dec., but the end of Jan. A phone bill is not that complicated, but it is being made to seem so.

Why?


Originally Posted by jillycat View Post
TE said the last time the phone was used was at 3:41. He said it was turned off after that and he went on to say that was unlike Heather to turn off her phone. That's what makes it confusing.

Did TE say the phone was turned off at that time? I don't remember that. I thought he originally thought that was the last time anyone had contact with her, or something to that effect.

 

[cujenn81]

Oh, this reminded me, on the first page of thread one there's a post about the car being called in to LE by "Michael", a woman iirc. Car had been there since MONDAY.

Snipped for space...
I noticed that too! I questioned the "Michael" part when I read it?? I couldn't tell if it was written poorly and that statement was referring to someone in the media or LE named Michael who indicated it had been called in or if the person who called it in is named Michael. It confused/confuses the crap out of me!

 

[Aeronomy]

Relevant excerpts below:


Horry County police records are focusing on telephone activity that occurred as late as 6 a.m. Dec. 18 between Heather Elvis’ cell phone and a man with whom she had a relationship history, according to documents obtained by the Carolina Forest Chronicle...

The phone activity occurred about four hours after Elvis’ last known whereabouts on Dec. 18, and the man identified in the report was nearly twice her age, documents show...

According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date. The calls were back and forth between the victim and the older man, the report said.

more at link:
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html


Aeronomy,
Above BBM and IBM:
The above was my edited post w/ excerpted quotes. I thought this was the article we were all discussing.

Sorry- I tried to multiquote to add your post but it didn't work right.

Thanks!
I am still uncertain of something though.

I understand in the latest report it stated "Investigators also confirmed earlier reports of cell phone communications between Heather Elvis and Sidney Moorer, a 38-year-old Horry County man with whom police records state she had a relationship history, as late as 6 a.m. Dec. 18."

And in the report you linked it states both activity and calls. It appears the "phone calls" referenced were something in the redacted portion of the police report. I don't remember whether it said calls vs communication in that report and then knowing the report had misinformation in it, if it did say calls could have that been slightly incorrect...as in meaning texts or etc, since TE and other family members did not mention a call that late? I would have that he would have when since the 3:41 call had been mentioned.

That holds a bit uncertainty for me. :waitasec: Thanks again for providing the link!:seeya:

 

[abashfulben]

I recall initially hearing about HOB, but then I thought I remembered someone saying she no longer worked there. But, I'm not sure, because I also thought I remembered some questioning why TK was supporting the family and search efforts and HOB didn't seem to be mentioning it. All to my (very poor) recollection.

Re: Capriz, I'm sure a local will chime in but as a frequent "tourist" there, I feel like I remember hearing about it as a higher end Italian restaurant. So, as a waitress, she would probably get better tips than as a hostess at TK, I would think. Now, I have to go look up an ad for them and see if my recollection is correct on this one.

ETA:

http://www.caprizitalianfeast.com/location/

So, here's the link. Doesn't seem that high end, but it is part of the T-Bonz, Liberty Steakhouse, Flying Fish group, and none of them are cheap. And they're very popular.

It is a buffet where they come around and serve certain food in platters, in addition to a typical buffet. I would not call it upscale. I've been there twice and I believe that it was 19.99.

The thing about TK, Capriz, and HOB (I assume she worked in the restaurant of HOB as a hostess) is that they are all located in the 2 major tourist traps of MB, Broadway at the Beach and Barefoot Landing.

They are not busy at all because they are essentially outdoor places where you shop and eat etc, but it requires walking and it can get quite cold here.

Most employees of establishments such as those three are laid off Nov/Dec until Feb/Mar when the season picks back up. Most employees will receive unemployment during the off-season and they go back to work in the merely Spring.


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[Aeronomy]

BTW, sorry if it looks like I'm repeating things someone else had just stated. With so much going on around me it seems once I start to post something I'm interrupted a number of times (each involving me having to reread what I'd started to write to get my mind caught up to where it was) before I actually finish my post and submit it.

 

[Snowyowl]

Right. But I was responding to quote below and unnecessary conflicting statements about last known phone usage. I'm not going back to Dec., but the end of Jan. A phone bill is not that complicated, but it is being made to seem so.

Why?


Originally Posted by jillycat View Post
TE said the last time the phone was used was at 3:41. He said it was turned off after that and he went on to say that was unlike Heather to turn off her phone. That's what makes it confusing.

I wonder if Heather might have consumed too much??or if she got home maybe a lttle more joy juice..or whatever ,leading to a feeling of desperation?Maybe her meds don't go well with alcohol?
If she was upset about OM w/roomie and felt nobody around who are real "friends" is it possible she could do something out of desperation? Or play a game and IM or Skype or Google voice? Maybe try to use another way of calling someone if she felt that contact via her phone not getting thru?
Could that also lead to frustration in turning off her phone?
Maybe TE was worried when he couldn't get thru to Heather? But we don't know if TE ever called her at early hours (considering she might be working,sleeping,etc)
I would assume TE didn't have early hours and didn't seem to me the type who'd try to get a hold of Heather at her work hours? We don't even know how much contact he actually had w/Heather. (IF per TE all she did was text a picture of what she wants for xmas)
The only thing I really know is I want Heather to come home

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I wonder if it's possible that Heather may have initially been "trapped" or "locked in" somewhere? Kinda like thrown in the back of a van & being taken for a ride?? Or in a boat?
Since she had said she couldn't count on friends and she knew roomie not here she might have been desperate to call ANYBODY she knew? That might have led OM to say stop bothering me & claiming last time he saw her was October. It seems like it might have been someone she knew cuz if still had phone then maybe coulda called 911-or maybe did?
If being taken for a ride then pings would show direction??what would be the 3 hours radius that she might have gone (allowing for stops maybe)?

Sorry, Snowy........I really, really doubt that he was telling HE to stop bothering him. Men are brutally blunt when they don't want you around anymore and it's very clear and painful to try to stick it out as a female, from my experience. There's no way he wanted HE to stay away.......no way!
He wanted/desired HE to still be around him and for her to continue to be in the picture.

moo

 

[nosysw]

Thanks!
I am still uncertain of something though.

I understand in the latest report it stated "Investigators also confirmed earlier reports of cell phone communications between Heather Elvis and Sidney Moorer, a 38-year-old Horry County man with whom police records state she had a relationship history, as late as 6 a.m. Dec. 18."

And in the report you linked it states both activity and calls. It appears the "phone calls" referenced were something in the redacted portion of the police report. I don't remember whether it said calls vs communication in that report and then knowing the report had misinformation in it, if it did say calls could have that been slightly incorrect...as in meaning texts or etc, since TE and other family members did not mention a call that late? I would have that he would have when since the 3:41 call had been mentioned.

That holds a bit uncertainty for me. :waitasec: Thanks again for providing the link!:seeya:

You're very welcome. I have to say, I learned so much about sloppy, and just plain bad, reporting during the Brittanee Drexel case, I take it all with a grain of salt. It's disheartening, but you just can't really put your faith in these news items (or police reports, apparently). So one could say communication, and another phone calls, and you don't know if it's a clarification, or a misstatement. :banghead:

 

[Snowyowl]

Sorry, Snowy........I really, really doubt that he was telling HE to stop bothering him. Men are brutally blunt when they don't want you around anymore and it's very clear and painful to try to stick it out as a female, from my experience. There's no way he wanted HE to stay away.......no way!
He wanted/desired HE to still be around him and for her to continue to be in the picture.

moo

Of course men are blunt,but if you wanted to keep your options open or you have someone looking over your shoulder maybe you'd say something you didn't really mean??
Maybe there was no possibility of hooking up NOW cuz someone wised up,but you might want to keep your options open for later (in case of split up,move out,divorce etc) Kinda like playing poker.:twocents:



(You succeed in life by consistently making correct decisions based on incomplete information often leading to uncertain outcomes. This applies to Poker also.)

 

[passionflower]

LE seems to be talking now and so I think they know what they are doing.
I won't be surprised now if they are crossing their T's and dotting their i's.
Something seems to be further along then we could of guessed.
Just my opinion when I read "As a mother, obviously it's important to me," Rhodes said. "When I go home at night, I don't have to wonder why there's an empty chair. I would like to give this community a sense of peace." by Ms. Rhoades.

 

[PPKik]

Did TE say the phone was turned off at that time? I don't remember that. I thought he originally thought that was the last time anyone had contact with her, or something to that effect.

Jillycat quoted that and I'm not sure where that came from.

There is this that contradicts anything concerning the "last phone call at 3:41am."

Report says last phone calls from TE's T-Mobile records. It does not say "texts," "communications," or anything else. To me calls are calls.


A police report says Elvis’ father contacted T-Mobile, his cellular provider, which the report says provided him with a call history for the victim’s phone.

According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date.

The calls were back and forth between the victim and the older man, the report said.

[BBM]

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Discussions. Discussions as late as 6am. Not just pings.


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A small but maybe important difference - not 'discussions' but the word used is COMMUNICATIONS as late as 6 a.m.

Nothing has been said about pings but maybe that's why they believe she drove to PTL if they were able to trace her pings. But LE didn't say that.

Another problem I detect with this idea too is someone else could have grabbed her phone and driven her car to PTL shortly after 2 a.m. Because we don't know if any phone calls took place after that time where Heather actually spoke to someone. Therefore she may have met foul play at her apartment.

LE didn't give any indication of where they believe she disappeared from. Well, they sort of do by saying they believe she drove to PTL but how do they really know?
Notice too that the reporter inserts the word STRONGLY while Rhodes stated, "We're FAIRLY COMFORTABLE that she drove there herself," .
Since when does fairly comfortable equate to strongly?

 

[jillycat]

Jillycat quoted that and I'm not sure where that came from.

There is this that contradicts anything concerning the "last phone call at 3:41am."

Report says last phone calls from TE's T-Mobile records. It does not say "texts," "communications," or anything else. To me calls are calls.


A police report says Elvis’ father contacted T-Mobile, his cellular provider, which the report says provided him with a call history for the victim’s phone.

According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date.

The calls were back and forth between the victim and the older man, the report said.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html

I can't find that reference now. I thought I heard him say it in an interview and also saw it in a report or transcript. But he mentioned it's not like her to turn off her phone, and as I recall it was not related to finding her car and finding her phone went to voicemail.

At any rate, I find the call vs communication vs discussion vs text vs last use vs ping complicated without a direct quote, and the media reports of police reports and police statements are summaries or third person references, not quotes. The only person I can quote is TE regarding last usage.

However, neither what TE or LE says tells us anything about who had control of the phone and when or where. That's not likely forthcoming.

 

[jillycat]

A small but maybe important difference - not 'discussions' but the word used is COMMUNICATIONS as late as 6 a.m.

Nothing has been said about pings but maybe that's why they believe she drove to PTL if they were able to trace her pings. But LE didn't say that.

Another problem I detect with this idea too is someone else could have grabbed her phone and driven her car to PTL shortly after 2 a.m. Because we don't know if any phone calls took place after that time where Heather actually spoke to someone. Therefore she may have met foul play at her apartment.

LE didn't give any indication of where they believe she disappeared from. Well, they sort of do by saying they believe she drove to PTL but how do they really know?
Notice too that the reporter inserts the word STRONGLY while Rhodes stated, "We're FAIRLY COMFORTABLE that she drove there herself," .
Since when does fairly comfortable equate to strongly?

That's it. We don't know anything about Heather's actions after she last was seen by her date and talked to her roommate.

 

[Wondergirl]

Anything new today peeps?

 

[Rochestergirl]

BBM and snipped

"Although police chief Saundra Rhodes said Thursday that the investigation remains "very active," she said police still lack any probable cause to make an arrest."

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

The above tells me the police know who killed (sorry IMHO) Heather. Probable cause not too sure what they need for that is that motive? I think they might be hoping for a body before a murder arrest.

ETA: Does anyone know what the term Probable Cause means?

 

[Snowyowl]

I can't find that reference now. I thought I heard him say it in an interview and also saw it in a report or transcript. But he mentioned it's not like her to turn off her phone, and as I recall it was not related to finding her car and finding her phone went to voicemail.

At any rate, I find the call vs communication vs discussion vs text vs last use vs ping complicated without a direct quote, and the media reports of police reports and police statements are summaries or third person references, not quotes. The only person I can quote is TE regarding last usage.

However, neither what TE or LE says tells us anything about who had control of the phone and when or where. That's not likely forthcoming.

I believe the report of turned off phone,etc was in that xojane first report made by TE,which has now since been revised/updated.
you better nail your jello to the wall quickly,before it starts jiggling again:moo: