SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

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  • #621
Good point. So would that make it less likely LE gave it to "MY Horry News"?

BBM: I have no idea & I wouldn't begin to speculate on that one.

For now, the release of the PR is a mystery to me.

I think a lot more of the details of this entire case will be available soon. I'm hoping that Tuesday with TE's interview brings about a lot of answers ... and many more through the Authorities soon also.
 
  • #622
I've found the PR w/phone #'s available on the web as of a few days ago. Not sure the site-think it was some kind of lady investigator??
I don't do Facebook so I was originally unsure what parts were redacted. I also didn't catch myhorry in time b4 pulled...


This is the page from "My Horry News."

It is still up in the format that I originally saw it in. I'm not sure if the non-redacted one was ever posted at the news site.


http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_4170d766-7d30-11e3-a2db-001a4bcf6878.html
 
  • #623
Thats another good point about the moon.

A full moon can be very helpful to see. From past experience, it seems like the moon helps more from around Midnight to 3-4 AM because I think the moon seems brightest then and it eventually moves across the sky and falls away.

I tried to find the moonrise/set times and found a carolina location called Columbia for Dec 18th and it shows a MOONSET at 8 AM so maybe the moon really could have helped that particular day all the way till sunrise.

Hmmmm. Interesting.

Moonrise / Moonset
Dec 18, 2013 -
6:44 PM 8:06 AM

I find it a bit spooky that Heather called herself Moonchild and was taken under the full moon.

I also wonder if it was thought out in advance to commit the crime when the moon was full so there was no need to bring attention to themselves by having to use flashlights.
 
  • #624
This is one of the more random comments I've tried to make, but while we wait for Tuesday..

I think I figured out why (to me, though perhaps others have mentioned this as well) HE looks different from pic to pic. She has (again, IMO) naturally light/sparse eyebrows and the way she fills them in varies from photo to photo. I didn't realize how much of an effect this could have until I (as a fellow dark hair/light eyebrow proprietress) learned the "art" of eyebrow. It's a struggle.

And on a lighter note, in no way to suggest HE's choice of dark vs. light brown eyebrow could ever affect her beauty, and now that I've typed the word "eyebrow" 17 times... here's a popular gallery of celebrities with their eyebrows photoshopped off to dramatically demonstrate the point. http://celebritieswithouteyebrows.tumblr.com/archive
 
  • #625
I never really believed that LE made a mistake in accidentally released the non-redacted PR. They have been really silent until this news update. They basically indicated they have a POI IMO, which I was very surprised and wonder why, because I found it very unusual. It makes me think that person has lawyered up or is no longer cooperating, so I speculate they are applying pressure and letting the bus roll & the gloves are off (as best they can).

Is it a fact that LE released the non redacted PR? I haven't seen anything that showed they for sure released it. I have heard several theories with that being one. I may have missed it though. Can someone help me out?
 
  • #626
What does an FBI profiler do exactly? Is this confirmed information?
 
  • #627
Where was it stated that its a profiler?! I missed that. I actually had thought that a while back not that they're heavily involved but that they could have supplied her to a trafficking ring. But now LE says they don't think it has anything to do with human trafficking.

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I don't have the link handy but I could have sworn that the original report said that there was an FBI profiler. Anyone?

I'll have to look for it tomorrow. It's late here.
 
  • #628
BBM You're not nuts or if you are you're not the only one. I have considered the possibility that there may have been other "younger women" who have, at the least, experienced threatening behavior during and/or after a relationship with a POI in this case.


That's where my mind went. It's weird like that sometimes. Hate to think that could be the case though.
 
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  • #630
What does an FBI profiler do exactly? Is this confirmed information?


Not sure if you're asking about an FBI profiler in this case, but this report says one from SLED has been assigned.

And investigator(s) from the FBI.

Rhodes said there's a task force of about 15 investigators, which in addition to Horry County police investigators, includes two Myrtle Beach police detectives, two Horry County sheriff's office deputies, a solicitor's office investigator and a State Law Enforcement Division profiler.

Also on the case are individual investigators from the U.S. Marshall's Office and FBI.


http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html
 
  • #631
I don't have the link handy but I could have sworn that the original report said that there was an FBI profiler. Anyone?

I'll have to look for it tomorrow. It's late here.

I think you may have maybe meant SLED Profiler? Which is a criminal profiler.
 
  • #632



"A task force of at least 15 local, state and federal investigators has been called into the search for Heather Elvis"

logic would preclude the fact there isn't only 1 profiler on the job. With 15 various investigators,it stands to reason there might be more..then again it is an assumption on my part :twocents::banghead:
 
  • #633


One works for the state (SLED) and one for the feds (FBI).

If there s anything to profiling, that really does help sole these cases of missing or murdered people, I would hope the training is the same.:twocents:


ETA: John and Patsy Ramsey hired John Douglas, a former FBI criminal profiler, who has written lots of best selling books. He put forward for them, "the-intruder-did-it" theory.

Another equally well-known, former FBI criminal profiler, Gregg McCrary, put forward the theory that it was highly likely the Ramseys were involved in Jon Benet's murder and that there was no intruder.

Both trained at the FBI.
 
  • #634
I think you may have maybe meant SLED Profiler? Which is a criminal profiler.


Thanks. Already corrected that above. But what's the difference between a criminal profiler vs. a different type of profiler?

Not trying to assert anything other than this case (to me) may have further-reaching implications.

Something just doesn't smell right here, in my mind.

Hopefully it's just an isolated case.
 
  • #635
Well they do seem to be throwing everything they have at this right off the bat, so that's comforting.
 
  • #636
If SLED Senior Special Agent Barton is on the case, Heather is one step closer to coming home......

SLED gains elite criminal profiler
Staff reports
Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:01 a.m.,
Updated: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:29 p.m.
(snip)

The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division has gained an elite certified criminal investigative profiler now that Senior Special Agent Bo Barton has finished a four-year training program.

Barton is a graduate of Charleston Southern University, where he earned a master's degree in criminal justice. The Lexington County native is one of 106 certified criminal profilers worldwide, according to SLED. The agency is one of five in the United States to have a certified profiler on staff.

(snip)
To be certified, Barton took part in the ICIAF's academic curriculum and apprenticeship, including field studies with the Ontario Provincial Police in Canada, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement in Miami, and the FBI in Quantico, Va.

More@Link:

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20090817/PC1602/308179969

FWIW, I truly believe if SSA Barton isn't directly assigned to this case, he will be made available as a resource to whomever is. His training would be invaluable, and he is a direct link to contacts at the FBI. :moo:
 
  • #637
If SLED Senior Special Agent Barton is on the case, Heather is one step closer to coming home......

SLED gains elite criminal profiler
Staff reports
Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:01 a.m.,
Updated: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:29 p.m.
(snip)

The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division has gained an elite certified criminal investigative profiler now that Senior Special Agent Bo Barton has finished a four-year training program.

Barton is a graduate of Charleston Southern University, where he earned a master's degree in criminal justice. The Lexington County native is one of 106 certified criminal profilers worldwide, according to SLED. The agency is one of five in the United States to have a certified profiler on staff.

(snip)
To be certified, Barton took part in the ICIAF's academic curriculum and apprenticeship, including field studies with the Ontario Provincial Police in Canada, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement in Miami, and the FBI in Quantico, Va.

More@Link:

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20090817/PC1602/308179969

FWIW, I truly believe if SSA Barton isn't directly assigned to this case, he will be made available as a resource to whomever is. His training would be invaluable, and he is a direct link to contacts at the FBI. :moo:


Nice! Good info thanks.
 
  • #638
Thanks. Already corrected that above. But what's the difference between a criminal profiler vs. a different type of profiler?

Not trying to assert anything other than this case (to me) may have further-reaching implications.

Something just doesn't smell right here, in my mind.

Hopefully it's just an isolated case.

It was posted at the same time.
 
  • #639
This is an excellent interview on Senior Special Agent Bo Barton via Charleston Southern University Magazine. It may be slightly O/T, or completely on target, depending on whether or not he is directly assigned to the case. I stand by my previous post, in that he will likely be made available to whomever is the profiler to Heather's case, ad minimum.

He is a profiler, a Senior Special Agent, and a father (not necessarily in that order). All of these things play a role in how he solves cases.

That's why we are here.....
To help #FindHeather


Criminal Mind: Bo Barton | CSU Magazine *From 2011*
(snip)
Bo Barton has two sons. His oldest son, 13, wants to be a street cop, chase the bad guys. His youngest, 10, wants to be a forensic anthropologist.

Do they want to follow in Dad’s criminal profiling footsteps?
“Uh, yea,” said Barton with hesitation.
“I would be extremely proud of my children if they followed in my footsteps, but I prefer they don’t. It’s dangerous work.”

(snip)
“Whenever he comes up here, the forensic art department is where he wants to go,” said Barton.
“He doesn’t want to hang out with Daddy. He wants to go over to forensic art. He thinks facial reconstruction is the coolest thing ever....”

(snip)
While the next generation of Bartons prepare for the inevitable work in law enforcement, Dad is working the two white boards hanging in the hall outside his office containing cold cases that go back as far as 1978, while others are fresh in history. The handwritten case descriptions are etched in red, listing the date of the homicide, victim, status and who in the unit is working the case.

(MuchMore@Link)

http://csumagazine.com/2011/04/05/criminal-mind/

If Heather's case turns out to be part of a larger dynamic, SLED has the personnel to help get to the bottom of it. The announcement that the Task Force has been working the case is welcome news for the Elvis' and the community at large. :twocents:
 
  • #640
I was under the impression no one lived in those mobile homes at the landing, but I could definitely be wrong about that.

There are people who live in that small MH park. Some are not real friendly - or talkative. I don't think they are real happy about all the attention now focused on that area. There was a curious Great Dane mix dog who was real interested in my car and a few other barkers. All MOO.
 
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