SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

[Wondergirl]

Worth repeating:

"We don’t need to understand why they did it, but how they did and who they are, because the end game is identifying the offender and getting him to confess."


http://csumagazine.com/2011/04/05/criminal-mind/

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Also of note -

There was a full moon the night of the 17th and 18th. The light of the moon is not considered when determining twilight or sunrise times. The times are determined by the position of the sun only.

It was a big bright full moon too! And the skies were clear. I specifically remember because my brother passed on the 16th and I couldn't sleep and would stare at the moon outside the sliding door. I live just across the state line in NC.

 

[SharetheLight]

Good point. So would that make it less likely LE gave it to "MY Horry News"?

I do not think the date it was released makes it less likely that LE released it.

 

[TedMac]

One works for the state (SLED) and one for the feds (FBI).

If there s anything to profiling, that really does help sole these cases of missing or murdered people, I would hope the training is the same.:twocents:


ETA: John and Patsy Ramsey hired John Douglas, a former FBI criminal profiler, who has written lots of best selling books. He put forward for them, "the-intruder-did-it" theory.

Another equally well-known, former FBI criminal profiler, Gregg McCrary, put forward the theory that it was highly likely the Ramseys were involved in Jon Benet's murder and that there was no intruder.

Both trained at the FBI.

On a somewhat related note, if you are interested in this sort of thing, former FBI Agents John Dalton & the late Robert Ressler wrote an excellent book in the late 1980s, called "Sexual Homicideatterns and Motives. It has a lot of interesting information on serial killers-specifically on their thought processes. Also, Agent Ressler worked on the Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Chase and John Joubert cases. Agent Dalton worked on the Green River Killings and the Atlanta Child Murders.

 

[Foxfire]

Not nuts at all. Maybe Heather was the tipping point in a large amount of missing person cases in the area?Maybe it took a local girl who's missing to bring attention? I can't imagine how frustrating it can be for the loved ones of other missing people to realize how much attention Heather has generated as opposed to their missing persons? Maybe even the tourist PR people realized this case was going to go viral & they'd better do something about it.
Kudos to all of Heathers loved ones for keeping on in spite of all the petty BS,threats,pain,etc..
Maybe this is what was needed to crack things wide open? With a profiler on board there may be hope yet. Fortunately in these cost cutting times at least they get top notch pros at no charge. Too bad it's at the high cost of missing lives.
Let's bring Heather home-and everyone else who's missing..

I don't have the link handy but I could have sworn that the original report said that there was an FBI profiler. Anyone?

I'll have to look for it tomorrow. It's late here.

Not an FBI profiler. a SLED profiler.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

Is there a difference?

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"A task force of at least 15 local, state and federal investigators has been called into the search for Heather Elvis"

logic would preclude the fact there isn't only 1 profiler on the job. With 15 various investigators,it stands to reason there might be more..then again it is an assumption on my part :twocents::banghead:

One works for the state (SLED) and one for the feds (FBI).

If there s anything to profiling, that really does help solve these cases of missing or murdered people, I would hope the training is the same.:twocents:


ETA: John and Patsy Ramsey hired John Douglas, a former FBI criminal profiler, who has written lots of best selling books. He put forward for them, "the-intruder-did-it" theory.

Another equally well-known, former FBI criminal profiler, Gregg McCrary, put forward the theory that it was highly likely the Ramseys were involved in Jon Benet's murder and that there was no intruder.

Both trained at the FBI.

If SLED Senior Special Agent Barton is on the case, Heather is one step closer to coming home......

SLED gains elite criminal profiler
Staff reports
Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:01 a.m.,
Updated: Monday, March 19, 2012 12:29 p.m.
(snip)

The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division has gained an elite certified criminal investigative profiler now that Senior Special Agent Bo Barton has finished a four-year training program.

Barton is a graduate of Charleston Southern University, where he earned a master's degree in criminal justice. The Lexington County native is one of 106 certified criminal profilers worldwide, according to SLED. The agency is one of five in the United States to have a certified profiler on staff.

(snip)
To be certified, Barton took part in the ICIAF's academic curriculum and apprenticeship, including field studies with the Ontario Provincial Police in Canada, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement in Miami, and the FBI in Quantico, Va.

More@Link:

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20090817/PC1602/308179969

FWIW, I truly believe if SSA Barton isn't directly assigned to this case, he will be made available as a resource to whomever is. His training would be invaluable, and he is a direct link to contacts at the FBI. :moo:

'Criminal behavioral & geographical profiling is only two tools of many that are utilized in task force and other high profile investigations'. Due to the extremely high number of known unsolved missing/murdered person's cases in Myrtle Beach/Horry Co., SC, the complete tool box is in order.
Although many of the incidents are isolated, it would be naive to conclude that none of the missing/murdered persons cases are related, imo. All available investigative resources should be brought in to end this silent epidemic of mounting cold cases, imo..
The tremendous amount of awareness created in the HE case; both local & national, is shining a light on this dark reality, and is the catalyst for the multi agency task force, imo.

Special Agent Bo Barton, is likely one of the reasons that SLED refuses to request the unlimited resources of the FBI BAU2, in the HE case, imo.
In September 2006, the FBI BAU2 relaxed the definition of serial murder from 3 victims to 2. This was an effort to make it easier for state and local LEAs to receive their assistance...

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder
Serial Murder - 09/2006 - FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit-2

Although the federal law provides a definition of serial murder, it is limited in its application. The purpose of this definition was to set forth criteria establishing when the FBI could assist local law enforcement agencies with their investigation of serial murder cases.

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20101007/articles/10071023?p=1&tc=pg&tc=ar

Expert: Killer is keeping up with Charity Worley case

By John Harbin
Times-News Staff Writer
Published: Thursday, October 7, 2010

A South Carolina profiler revealed Wednesday what type of person could have murdered Charity Worley, just shy of the two-year anniversary of her death.

Enlarge | Photo
Rick Davis, left, Henderson County sheriff, listens during a news conference Wednesday morning as SLED Special Agent Bo Barton holds a replica of the type of weapon used to kill Charity Worley in 2008.

MIKE DIRKS/TIMES-NEWS
“This was a targeted, violent act,” said Special Agent Bo Barton with the S.C. Law Enforcement Division.

He stressed that the person, which could be either a man or a woman, was very close to Worley, was impulsive and would follow the case in the media, talking about it frequently.

Barton also said two people who were very close with Worley were uncooperative with his investigation and did not show up for a re-enactment of the crime last night. He would not say who the people are.

“There wasn't the level of cooperation you would expect from someone close to Charity,” Barton said.


http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20121216/ARTICLES/121219828
HomeWww.Blueridgenow.Com

Four years later, Worley murder investigation at a standstill
__________________________________

http://www.scnow.com/news/local/article_31b85f3a-be3e-11e2-bed7-001a4bcf6878.html

SLED criminal profiler(BO Barton) testifies in day four of Jack Be Nimble trial
Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2013

 

[Foxfire]

On a somewhat related note, if you are interested in this sort of thing, former FBI Agents John Dalton & the late Robert Ressler wrote an excellent book in the late 1980s, called "Sexual Homicideatterns and Motives. It has a lot of interesting information on serial killers-specifically on their thought processes. Also, Agent Ressler worked on the Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Chase and John Joubert cases. Agent Dalton worked on the Green River Killings and the Atlanta Child Murders.

RE: John Dalton & the late Robert Ressler

John F. Douglas, Robert Ressler, and Roger L. Depue were three pioneers of the FBI BSU in Quantico, VA.

“JOURNEY INTO DARKNESS” BY JOHN DOUGLAS(1997); Author and FBI BSU; Behavioral Science Unit Profiler. JFD penetrates the minds and motives of the most terrifying prolific Serial Killers. Of course Hybrid Emulator serial killers such as Gary Hilton or Israel Keyes, were not on the radar back when this statement was made. JFD was one of the early pioneers of the FBI’s Elite BSU and many of the techniques, strategies, and procedures used in tracking and identifying unidentified subjects/predators of today can be attributed to his experiences into the abyss or darkness…...

* 'The BSU was later changed to the BAU for obvious reasons; BS Unit, which was referred too as the witches unit due to it being located 60' underground, with dim lighting/no windows, and their unique ability to enter the darkness of the minds that they frequently and routinely encountered'..

Prologue: ‘In the Mind of a Killer’

This isn’t the Hollywood version. It isn’t sanitized, or prettied up, or rendered into art. This is the way it really happens. If anything, it’s worse than the way I describe it…

AS I HAD SO MANY TIMES BEFORE, I PUT MYSELF IN THE MIND OF THE KILLER.. Quote: by John Douglas...
http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Into-Darkness.../dp/1439199817

He goes on to say that he also puts his head into the head of the victim also to be able to see the whole picture….
This experience could cause a strong minded person, severe physical and mental health issues, imo..

As do Catholic Priests that perform multiple exorcisms, Agent Douglas, paid a hefty price with his health, even though he possessed a high tolerance level, due to the enormous level of ‘evil’ that JD and his team encountered...

 

[eileenhawkeye]

It seems to me that a profiler would be most useful, when LE does not have a clear suspect.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.wbtw.com/story/24665012/father-of-missing-woman

"MEN CLAIM THEY HAVE MISSING MYRTLE BEACH WOMAN; FATHER FILES REPORT"

Just saw above link (among many) in Heather's media thread...

Wondered if it had been posted here yet?

:seeya:

 

[nosysw]

It seems to me that a profiler would be most useful, when LE does not have a clear suspect.

Maybe. I don't know exactly how they operate. But wouldn't one come in handy to rule out a potentially strong POI? I would think they could analyze everything related to that person and determine that, despite the indicators that have come up, that person doesn't fit the profile of someone would would kidnap or kill someone (or that they do).

 

[Motherof5]

I don't have the link handy but I could have sworn that the original report said that there was an FBI profiler. Anyone?

I'll have to look for it tomorrow. It's late here.

The latest article names the profiler as being part of the team working on HE's case.

Rhodes said there's a task force of about 15 investigators, which in addition to Horry County police investigators, includes two Myrtle Beach police detectives, two Horry County sheriff's office deputies, a solicitor's office investigator and a State Law Enforcement Division profiler.
Also on the case are individual investigators from the U.S. Marshall's Office and FBI.

The profiler and FBI agent are 2 different people.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Maybe. I don't know exactly how they operate. But wouldn't one come in handy to rule out a potentially strong POI? I would think they could analyze everything related to that person and determine that, despite the indicators that have come up, that person doesn't fit the profile of someone would would kidnap or kill someone (or that they do).

I think one job of a profiler would be creating a list of characteristics about Heather's killer, and releasing them to the public. That seems like something they would do when they think a stranger is responsible, but don't have a suspect. So people call in about those who fit the description, and LE can test their DNA, etc.

I am not sure if a profiler could rule out SM, especially if they have evidence and a motive and no alibi, etc. Or even rule him in, if they don't have the necessary evidence. I really have no idea how well the profile would stand up in court. It seems like it's done to find possible suspects, who LE can then investigate, rather than used to convict someone.

 

[Motherof5]

What does an FBI profiler do exactly? Is this confirmed information?

The profiler in HE's case is not from the FBI but from SLED. The SLED profiler is in addition to the FBI agent. This is what the profiler does.


Offender profiling, also known as criminal profiling, is a behavioral and investigative tool that is intended to help investigators to accurately predict and profile the characteristics of unknown criminal subjects or offenders.

It's confirmed.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The profiler in HE's case is not from the FBI but from SLED. The SLED profiler is in addition to the FBI agent. This is what the profiler does.


Offender profiling, also known as criminal profiling, is a behavioral and investigative tool that is intended to help investigators to accurately predict and profile the characteristics of unknown criminal subjects or offenders.

It's confirmed.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

Unknown criminal subjects or offenders? Interesting. A profiler on the case makes me wonder if they are looking at other possibilities besides SM and/or TM. How common is it to have a profiler on the case when you know who did it?

 

[Motherof5]

I think one job of a profiler would be creating a list of characteristics about Heather's killer, and releasing them to the public. That seems like something they would do when they think a stranger is responsible, but don't have a suspect.

I am not sure if a profiler could rule out SM, especially if they have evidence and a motive and no alibi, etc. Or even rule him in, if they don't have the necessary evidence. I really have no idea how well the profile would stand up in court. It seems like it's done to find possible suspects, who LE can then investigate, rather than used to convict someone.

A profiler is very useful no matter who LE is suspecting..stranger or otherwise. The profiler will look at things such as,HE's car,He's apartment,her SM,family,job,friends,relationships and of course her phone records,as well as anything and everything else that is apart of HE's world. All of those things will help point the profiler and LE towards a stranger or someone that HE knew.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

How do you create a profile if you already have a suspect? I feel like bias would be inevitable.

 

[WideOpen]

Would a profiler be able to help predict where a certain POI would hide or dispose of a body? I believe they need to find Heather.

JMO

 

[Motherof5]

Unknown criminal subjects or offenders? Interesting. A profiler on the case makes me wonder if they are looking at other possibilities besides SM and/or TM. How common is it to have a profiler on the case when you know who did it?

A profiler will look at every aspect from every angel. Who a profiler focuses on depends on what type of profile they've put together. They will also decided if LE should be looking at 1 perp 2 perps,ect. A stranger goes after a victim differently than someone known to the victim would. They will look at the events leading up to HE's car being found and what has transpired since. To better answer your question...the profiler will help LE rule out "criminal subject or offenders" as well as people known to HE. They will also help determine how many people were involved and why....who had a motive.:twocents:

 

[tlneedham]

Yes, even if they have a suspect, a profiler can be useful in trying to predict that person's next actions, where they could have hidden evidence or a body, the best ways to trip them up, etc.

And no, it should not bias them. They should theoretically start examining things from the beginning regardless.

According to an interview I've listened to a few times from Pat Brown, there are different types of profilers--inductive and deductive. One is based more on behavioral stats, which can be quite misleading with atypical killers (eg the Sandra Cantu case and DC snipers), and one more based on the crime scene examination. So they may have more than one for that reason.

And no, I don't think they usually release the profile to the public because you don't want to a) let the killer know they're getting close and b) prevent people from reporting anything suspicious about someone who doesn't fit the profile. They may release parts of it (if you've noticed anyone acting like this or this, call police), but I don't think I've noticed that very often.

 

[zelmajane]

Could a profiler also be used to try to predict the behavior of a perp?

 

[Dee10]

I wouldn't be surprised if a profiler also suggested psychological ways to question a particular suspect to try and get the subject to confess.