SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #15

[EmmaRose]

Oh, I didn't mean you or anyone in particular. Just thinking in general if you have no training, this is coming 'out of the blue' it's your daughter & your mind is spinning... Since the car doesn't seem to be the crime scene, I think it will be fine if this case sees a resolution, which we all hope it does of course. :blowkiss:

I remember a few years ago, I couldn't get ahold of my daughter for about twelve hours. I never want to go thru that again. She was fine but her cellphone died. Oh, the thoughts that went thru my mind... She was kidnapped, lost and hurt, a band of gypsies took her (kiddin) .... It.was.awful. Can't imagine being on "hyper-alert" as long as the Elvises. Hope this all gets figured out soon.

 

[Dee10]

Any evidence found could easily be argued that it was placed there, tampered with etc. I can't see any of it ever entering a courtroom. Him driving the car alone with cause it to be thrown out. Then you add in the harassment reports from the Moorer's (even if they end up not being charged) that began right after HE went missing. Harassment reports don't equal charges or arrests and don't need to be proven, they are reports. Then you have a family friend of TE who was arrested for obstruction of justice and another one and that friendship is questionable, same charge. This would all be brought up by the defense IF HE was found to be harmed. He stated to knowing at the scene that something was wrong and that according to the police report he knew she was talking to him the night she went missing until 6am, which was her last call. According to him, according to the phone records. This is why I am certain that any recent law school graduate could get the car evidence, if there is any, tossed. IMO, either LE had to think she was fine or I am really at a loss of words for their letting him drive it home.

You seem to be only focus on the Moorer(s), so in that case regardless wouldn't SM DNA be expected already to be in the car? If the wife's is there & if her DNA was found there, she would have some s'plaining to do right? Not sure how TE could arrange her DNA to get there if it is right? If a serial killer's DNA is found in the car, he would have to explain that. Hard for TE to manufacture someone's DNA in the car. The car is not the crime scene or LE would be talking murder right?

 

[hockeymom4]

I am following a few missing person cases off of WS. This is the only one I follow on here, so I don't know the answer to this. All of the other cases I am following, the people are listed in NamUs. I was told and I am not sure if it's accurate, so that's why I am asking, that anyone can enter the information. Is this correct? I check this site all the time for HE...just to see if any new details about her pop up. The other cases I follow have so much detail about those missing. So, my question is, what is the process to getting added and if you can do it yourself, why would she not be in there? I would think with her having all of these people on her case it wouldn't be difficult to get added. One of the cases I am following went missing weeks after her and she is on the site. Also, is there another missing person site I can find ether on instead?

Thanks to anyone who can help.

 

[EmmaRose]

I am following a few missing person cases off of WS. This is the only one I follow on here, so I don't know the answer to this. All of the other cases I am following, the people are listed in NamUs. I was told and I am not sure if it's accurate, so that's why I am asking, that anyone can enter the information. Is this correct? I check this site all the time for HE...just to see if any new details about her pop up. The other cases I follow have so much detail about those missing. So, my question is, what is the process to getting added and if you can do it yourself, why would she not be in there? I would think with her having all of these people on her case it wouldn't be difficult to get added. One of the cases I am following went missing weeks after her and she is on the site. Also, is there another missing person site I can find ether on instead?

Thanks to anyone who can help.

I'm not sure if its NamUs, or NCIC, but I thought a nationwide law went into effect that LE had to enter missing persons into it. I am not sure if there is an age cutoff. Interesting that you bring this up now. I just got off a South Carolina missing site and no Heather, Brittanee's, Crystal Soles. Seems like some are on one list but not on some of the others. I can understand, comparatively speaking that Heather's case is relatively new, but the others certainly aren't. Not sure about NamUs, but in the case of the SC missing site, anyone can enter a missing person and pertinent info concerning them.

 

[hockeymom4]

You seem to be only focus on the Moorer(s), so in that case regardless wouldn't SM DNA be expected already to be in the car? If the wife's is there & if her DNA was found there, she would have some s'plaining to do right? Not sure how TE could arrange her DNA to get there if it is right? If a serial killer's DNA is found in the car, he would have to explain that. Hard for TE to manufacture someone's DNA in the car. The car is not the crime scene or LE would be talking murder right?

I am focused on them? Sorry that you got that impression, but I do not have my focus on anyone as there have been not enough facts released in the case for me to even know what happened to HE. I was only stating the facts as I have read them and a little of my opinion. I have no clue if SM's DNA would be in her car. I could not even begin to speculate. Same with the wife. It is possible that since she dated him, both of their DNA is though from months ago. It's possible that it is not. My point in everything I stated was that IF something happen to HE and IF either SM or his wife were held responsible, based on TE driving the car and it not being sealed first after he stated he knew something was wrong and knowing she last spoke to SM, the multiple harassment reports, two obstruction charges (one with a friend), IF any evidence was found in the car (either of theirs) it would get tossed, IMO. I have no doubt. They would say that he planted. I have no doubt he would never do that, even though I don't know him. But that is how these cases work. Even him just driving the car without everything else, could get argued that. The fact is, he drove the car. Cars have to be processed properly. The car could have been the crime scene and the car could have been cleaned at a car wash. Who knows. Anything is possible.

 

[PPKik]

You are not wrong in my opinion. I do not find anyone at fault for moving the car. What I am trying to do is piece together what could TE and the officer have seen or heard or presumed after being at the landing for 20 minutes. From the very beginning we've heard TE drove the car home with gloves on, is this true? where did he get the gloves? I think if TE wore gloves to drive the car home he got them from the officer. And I wonder what brought both TE and the officer to decide to take the car home? So then I imagine, after an hour at the landing these two men have assessed the car has been left there and whatever has happened it means TE is going to go get HE where ever she has gone. So then I wonder how did the two men wrap it up after an hour at the landing? I think possibly, maybe, TE had made calls, he's gotten some info and he's making more calls and he's still waiting for HE to call him back and the officer has also made some calls and compiles the info and the officer leaves to run down some of the clues, like the receipts in the car for one, and TE takes the car home. But what I'm really trying to figure out is what were the clues the two saw, felt, smelled, heard that got these two men go into action in 20 minutes. I'd just like to add that I' not stuck on 20 minutes being an actual 20 minutes but more as a proportion as in, we were there about an hour-we figured it out in 20 minutes then spent 40 minutes what we were doing next.

The reason I feel they both made mistakes is this:

If TE did put on gloves and did drive the car home, what doesn't make any sense to me is that if TE felt within 20 minutes something bad had happened, even if the officer did not, I can't understand why TE (who stated he is friends with this officer and is friends with or knows most of LE in the county) wouldn't ask this officer to secure the car. As a friend, I think TE could have asked for more than a perfect stranger, whose car would probably been towed without a phone call or visit.

If it is true that TE did wear gloves, it means there was a reason to wear gloves, i.e., possible evidence in the car. So driving it home makes no sense, nor does the officer letting it be driven.

There is no point here in quoting the police report again, but when you add what we know about that in with this, assuming many of these events were occurring within a few hours (or less) of each other, something does not add up. IMO

 

[EmmaRose]

Could it be that whomever Heather met got in HER car and she was taken elsewhere from there then her car was later brought back and abandoned at the landing? This way, no evidence of Heather would be in anyone's car and SM could explain his DNA being in her car was a result of their past affair.

 

[Foxfire]

I'm not sure if its NamUs, or NCIC, but I thought a nationwide law went into effect that LE had to enter missing persons into it. I am not sure if there is an age cutoff. Interesting that you bring this up now. I just got off a South Carolina missing site and no Heather, Brittanee's, Crystal Soles. Seems like some are on one list but not on some of the others. I can understand, comparatively speaking that Heather's case is relatively new, but the others certainly aren't. Not sure about NamUs, but in the case of the SC missing site, anyone can enter a missing person and pertinent info concerning them.

RE: I'm not sure if its NamUs, or NCIC, but I thought a nationwide law went into effect that LE had to enter missing persons into it.

Federal Suzanne's Law - brought this post forward from thread #1 - FYI;
CUE members; Doug and Mary Lyall, Suzanne Lyall parents championed the Federal Suzanne's Law. The Lyalls are also responsible for initiating the missing person inmate poker card program. The cards have the pic & info of a missing/murdered person on them & are donated to inmates for tips that have led to many cold cases being solved in the US.

http://blog.childquest.org/2011/10/suzannes-law.html

Washington, DC -"Suzanne's Law" requiring local police to notify the National Crime Information Center when someone between 18 and 21 is reported missing was signed into law by President Bush as part of the national "Amber Alert" bill last month. The federal law is named after Suzanne Lyall (pictured right), a State University of New York at Albany student who has been missing since 1998. Previously police were only required to report missing persons under the age of 18. This new law, sponsored by Congressman John Sweeney (R-NY) is intended to spur police to initiate prompt investigations into missing young people.

Doug and Mary Lyall, Suzanne's parents championed the law. "I just hope that it's going to bring back some of these kids," said Mary Lyall in an Associated Press article. "They need as much protection while they're at college."

WASHINGTON (AP) - The nationwide "Amber Alert'' system signed into law Wednesday at a White House ceremony had special meaning for a Ballston Spa couple, whose missing daughter was the impetus for a little-noticed provision in the anti-kidnapping legislation.

"Suzanne's Law'' requires local authorities to notify the National Crime Information Center immediately if someone between the ages of 18 and 21 goes missing.

Named after 19-year-old SUNY-Albany student Suzanne Lyall, who vanished in 1998, the law is designed to encourage police to begin investigating immediately when college-age people disappear, instead of waiting a day, which has been a common practice.

 

[EmmaRose]

The reason I feel they both made mistakes is this:

If TE did put on gloves and did drive the car home, what doesn't make any sense to me is that if TE felt with 20 minutes something bad had happened, even if the officer did not, I can't understand why TE (who stated he is friends with this officer and is friends with or knows most of LE in the county) wouldn't ask this officer to secure the car. As a friend, I think TE could have asked for more than a perfect stranger, whose car would probably been towed without a phone call or visit.

If it is true that TE did wear gloves, it means there was a reason to wear gloves, i.e., possible evidence in the car. So driving it home makes no sense, nor does the officer letting it be driven.

There is no point here in quoting the police report again, but when you add what we know about that in with this, assuming many of these events were occurring within a few hours (or less) of each other, something does not add up. IMO

Now that you mention it, I do recall that being discussed in one of the past threads....IIRC, some posters were throwing out ideas that BW gave her license to HE and then BW could simply go to DMV and say her license was lost then obtain a new one. I think Heather just used that for clubbing,MOO.

 

[Snowyowl]

I'm not sure if its NamUs, or NCIC, but I thought a nationwide law went into effect that LE had to enter missing persons into it. I am not sure if there is an age cutoff. Interesting that you bring this up now. I just got off a South Carolina missing site and no Heather, Brittanee's, Crystal Soles. Seems like some are on one list but not on some of the others. I can understand, comparatively speaking that Heather's case is relatively new, but the others certainly aren't. Not sure about NamUs, but in the case of the SC missing site, anyone can enter a missing person and pertinent info concerning them.

I recall reading in a PR the particular NCIC number this case was assigned, but I'd have no idea where?? You'd think they'd also put that NCIC number on the posters??

 

[maureen718]

I think the car being moved can be as simple as a complaint had been called in about the car. The officer set out originally to rectify that situation. Once he ran the plates, check on TE and the two were at the landing. I think they agreed they'd track HE down, TE would take the car home and the officer would get back to him quickly after he checked out a few things. The car is the first sign something is wrong, no one knew the extent at that point.

 

[EmmaRose]

I believe it is NCIC, if a person is under 21. I am going double check on that. Recently I did check some missing person's databases and did not find HE.

Some databases rely on the parents or others to put in the missing person's name. NamUs seems to be voluntary.

Thanks! I thought NCIC too and up to age 21, but not 100% sure. That would be great if you could find out.

 

[EmmaRose]

Federal Suzanne's Law - brought this post forward from thread #1 - FYI;
CUE members; Doug and Mary Lyall, Suzanne Lyall parents championed the Federal Suzanne's Law. The Lyalls are also responsible for initiating the missing person inmate poker card program. The cards have the pic & info of a missing/murdered person on them & are donated to inmates for tips that have led to many cold cases being solved in the US.

http://blog.childquest.org/2011/10/suzannes-law.html

Washington, DC -"Suzanne's Law" requiring local police to notify the National Crime Information Center when someone between 18 and 21 is reported missing was signed into law by President Bush as part of the national "Amber Alert" bill last month. The federal law is named after Suzanne Lyall (pictured right), a State University of New York at Albany student who has been missing since 1998. Previously police were only required to report missing persons under the age of 18. This new law, sponsored by Congressman John Sweeney (R-NY) is intended to spur police to initiate prompt investigations into missing young people.

Doug and Mary Lyall, Suzanne's parents championed the law. "I just hope that it's going to bring back some of these kids," said Mary Lyall in an Associated Press article. "They need as much protection while they're at college."

WASHINGTON (AP) - The nationwide "Amber Alert'' system signed into law Wednesday at a White House ceremony had special meaning for a Ballston Spa couple, whose missing daughter was the impetus for a little-noticed provision in the anti-kidnapping legislation.

"Suzanne's Law'' requires local authorities to notify the National Crime Information Center immediately if someone between the ages of 18 and 21 goes missing.

Named after 19-year-old SUNY-Albany student Suzanne Lyall, who vanished in 1998, the law is designed to encourage police to begin investigating immediately when college-age people disappear, instead of waiting a day, which has been a common practice.

Thank you, thank you!

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nc...n-and-unidentified-person-statistics-for-2012

NCIC Missing Person and Unidentified Person Statistics for 2012
Pursuant to Public Law 101-647, 104 Statute 4967, Crime Control Act of 1990 Requirements


NCIC Missing Person File

The National Crime Information Center’s (NCIC) Missing Person File was implemented in 1975. Records in the Missing Person File are retained indefinitely, until the individual is located, or the record is canceled by the entering agency. The Missing Person File contains records for individuals reported missing who:

have a proven physical or mental disability (Disability – EMD),
are missing under circumstances indicating that they may be in physical danger (Endangered – EME),
are missing after a catastrophe (Catastrophe Victim – EMV),
are missing under circumstances indicating their disappearance may not have been voluntary
(Involuntary – EMI),
are under the age of 21 and do not meet the above criteria (Juvenile – EMJ), or
are 21 and older and do not meet any of the above criteria but for whom there is a reasonable concern for their safety (Other – EMO).
As of December 31, 2012, NCIC contained 87,217 active missing person records. Juveniles under the age of 18 account for 32,225 (36.9 %) of the records and 15,141 (17.4 %) were for juveniles between the ages of 18 and 20.*

During 2012, 661,593 missing person records were entered into NCIC, a decrease of 2.5 % from the 678,860 records entered in 2011. Missing Person records cleared or canceled during the same period totaled 659,514. Reasons for these removals include: a law enforcement agency located the subject, the individual returned home, or the record had to be removed by the entering agency due to a determination that the record is invalid.

 

[hockeymom4]

Thanks so much everyone! I did remember that number. So, we just can't find her in their system then? Because I have looked and can't find her. Anyone else able to find her?

 

[PPKik]

I think the car being moved can be as simple as a complaint had been called in about the car. The officer set out originally to rectify that situation. Once he ran the plates, check on TE and the two were at the landing. I think they agreed they'd track HE down, TE would take the car home and the officer would get back to him quickly after he checked out a few things. The car is the first sign something is wrong, no one knew the extent at that point.

I think you are exactly right. No one knew the extent of this.

 

[PPKik]

Thanks so much everyone! I did remember that number. So, we just can't find her in their system then? Because I have looked and can't find her. Anyone else able to find her?

After the press conference, I did check the FBI's database and Namus' database and could not find her.

ETA: Teleka Patrick, who went missing a few weeks before HE, is listed here. I checked this site because we were told federal agencies were involved.

If anyone knows the criteria to be listed here, could you please post. TIA

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

 

[Snowyowl]

Thanks so much everyone! I did remember that number. So, we just can't find her in their system then? Because I have looked and can't find her. Anyone else able to find her?

I can't find her anywhere myself! I also brought up a while ago she isn't in some nationwide places. I didn't see any mention of it on CUE either? I asked B4 cuz it stated on PR case closed?? Does that mean if they have evidence foul play involved it becomes murder??:moo:

 

[hockeymom4]

After the press conference, I did check the FBI's database and Namus' database and could not find her.

Hmm, anyone know why this is if she has a number and is suppose to be in here?

 

[bamcaan]

You seem to be only focus on the Moorer(s), so in that case regardless wouldn't SM DNA be expected already to be in the car? If the wife's is there & if her DNA was found there, she would have some s'plaining to do right? Not sure how TE could arrange her DNA to get there if it is right? If a serial killer's DNA is found in the car, he would have to explain that. Hard for TE to manufacture someone's DNA in the car. The car is not the crime scene or LE would be talking murder right?

Actually that would be one of the easiest things to explain away by simple husband/wife transfer DNA.

IMO