SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 #30***ARREST**

[Dr. Know?]

Disposed means this,


A criminal or infraction case is considered disposed only when a disposition has been entered for all charges in the case, and on the date when the last disposition is entered. A felony case in district court is considered disposed on the date the case is bound over to superior court (such as by a waiver or finding of probable cause, or by a superceding indictment) or finally disposed in district court (such as by finding of no probable cause, dismissal, or guilty plea). The disposition date is the actual date of the final disposition, not the date when the data are entered into the automated system (which can be later).

https://infocheckusa.zendesk.com/entries/374550-What-does-Case-Disposed-mean-on-my-Report-

Just generic info, not SC law on dispositons.

 

[PPKik]

Only if the tapes show SM and TM in the act of murdering Heather. If they simply show them together -- even if (forgive the hypothetical) -- the tape shows SM and TM with a deceased Heather, it would not qualify as direct evidence. It would be circumstantial evidence, albeit extremely compelling circumstantial evidence.

E.g. -- imagine a video camera outside of a door entering a room with no other exit. Video captures two people entering the room, one with a gun. 30 seconds later, the person with the gun is captured on tape leaving the room, and the other person is later found dead in the room. There is no video tape of the gun being fired or anyone being shot.

As compelling as that evidence would be, it is *circumstantial evidence* because the viewer is expected to make an inference about what happened in the room. It may well be a very reasonable inference, but it is still an inference. Who knows, the person holding the gun could have given it to the other person, who shot him/herself. The viewer must make an assumption.

Speaking more generally and not just to the post to which I'm replying, it's fine to say that we may agree to disagree on matters which are really not based on opinions. But (just my opinion) in a mass forum like this it is unfortunate to have misinformation and misunderstanding perpetuated.

Thank you for a really good post, and not just for the information and clarification you provided about evidence.

My understanding of circumstantial evidence is that enough compelling circumstantial evidence can often be more powerful than some direct evidence, like eyewitness testimony, which has been shown far too often to be fatally unreliable and inaccurate.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I'm a bit confused by the ID exposure charges vs later admissions. What SM allegedly said to police at some point, which came out in the bond hearing, doesn't sound the same as what police said in the warrants.

Some of what you mention, such as the living conditions, are, so far, hearsay or rumor, aren't they? Something leaked? I'm not sure what the consensus is on the alleged handcuffing. Was that true?

I think it has been pretty well established here and by what we know objectively, that SM is not always the most truthful of men.

Since there have been a number of contradictory statements by police, if you look at the arrest warrants, the press conferences, and then what came out in the bond hearing, it makes me wonder.

So far the state has made a lot of allegation and the Moorers are not looking good.

<Mod Snip> I choose to ask for proof beyond a reasonable doubt (in an adult manner) before I can make any judgments, no matter how nasty their house may or may not be.


**I am humbled by learning that I took Undiscovered Truth's post too seriously. I did not hear the voice or tone of the attorney and I can see it could seem very different if heard and not just read, and I will definitely lighten up! :blowkiss:

The living conditions are not rumor. You can check out the media thread here. The 'conditions' were observed and reported by LE.

 

[CHERIE.T]

where the HELLO is that video? this is pure fabrication.

hummm :scared:

 

[PPKik]

What on earth!! What does that mean? LE aren't sure it was TM in the Truck with SM and that it may have been someone else? *I was wondering earlier if maybe SM was seeing someone else and TM thought it was Heather so went after her* :scared:

I cannot keep up with everything!

**PPKik: It's fine, really. I completely understand how my "Prove it" post could be taken the wrong way/seriously. I need to watch what and how I say things around here as to not offend others. Really sorry about that!

**UndiscoveredTruth, you are fine! I wanted to make a point and you gave me an opportunity. You also got me to lighten up, a little... :angel:

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'm not going to give up my right to be a fair juror. I see enough evidence from a bond hearing & if that's all they could give me plus reading the postings online of fb and personal accounts of the M's, I'd be willing with only one more piece of evidense from the state of DNA which they did answer "Yes" to having linked above. I don't hate these people, I pity them for whatever led them to their behavoiur. One of them at least needs to feel an overwhelming compassion to be a human, I hope. This is just ridiculous now, waiting for DNA to to deteriorate is not forgiving. And I see it over and over again. Waiting it out. gah.

There needs to be a law when arrested for murder peeps that are proven to be guilty by a jury or judge of murder, that they get an extra 20 for not telling how, why, who, where, killed the person. jmo

 

[PPKik]

The living conditions are not rumor. You can check out the media thread here. The 'conditions' were observed and reported by LE.

I will check it out, thank you.

Just because LE said it does not make it true.

LE also said Heather was on the phone in some capacity with SM until 6am. Definitely. This really bothers me because they have completely changed their story.

In other case I know, LE fabricated nasty material about their POI's hoping to get a certain result by turning public opinion against those people. It backfired by further messing up that case.

There is another case where the State lab experts, working with police and prosecutors lied and fabricated evidence. That conviction was overturned when the machinations of the prosecutors and their experts were exposed.

In this case, nothing would surprise. Nothing.
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In this news story there is a mention of an incident report, but I could not find a link to the report itself.

When we got the redacted, but really un-redacted police report, there were lots of things in there that apparently weren't true. I hope this is not true because of the kids, not just having to live like that, but having the further humiliation of knowing everyone is reading about it, thanks to LE.

IMO, their living conditions are only relevant to their children's and animals' well being and have nothing whatsoever do do with whether or not the Moorers did murder Heather Elvis.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/03/12/4089223/home-of-suspects-in-heather-elvis.html

 

[CHERIE.T]

I'm not going to give up my right to be a fair juror. I see enough evidence from a bond hearing & if that's all they could give me plus reading the postings online of fb and personal accounts of the M's, I'd be willing with only one more piece of evidense from the state of DNA which they did answer "Yes" to having linked above. I don't hate these people, I pity them for whatever led them to their behavoiur. One of them at least needs to feel an overwhelming to be a human, I hope. This is just ridiculous now, waiting for DNA to to deteriorate is not forgiving. And I see it over and over again. Waiting it out. gah.

There needs to be a law when arrested for murder peeps that are proven to be guilty by a jury or judge of murder, that they get an extra 20 for not telling how, why, who, where, killed the person. jmo

:seeya:
Good post. I find myself feeling angrier towards the M's each day they with hold saying where Heather is. They've been arrested and are awaiting trial.....why don't they just say it?!

 

[Dr. Know?]

Grammar and spelling are not my forte after midnight. Night all.

Hard week, too tired to correct. They hold the answers, where's Heather? Both are murderers in my book. It would have to be pretty compelling news to change my mind now. Show me. Huh, can't hear you? What? Can you speak up? smh

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

where the HELLO is that video? this is pure fabrication.

I don't think it's pure fabrication at all. We just aren't privy to viewing the videos at this stage. Maybe when or rather, if a trial takes place, we will see them.

3:36 am.. A private residence video surveillance captures a vehicle coming from the direction of Sidney's headed towards the boat landing. This camera is 1.7 miles from the Moorer's residence.

3:39 am ... a business video surveillance a mile from the first camera closer to the landing captures this vehicle still proceeding in the direction of the boat landing.

3:45 am.. same business video surveillance captures the vehicle coming from the boat landing headed towards the Moorer residence. The camera is approximately 1.2 miles from the landing.

3:46 am the private residence video surveillance captures the vehicle headed from the boat landing to the Moorer residence.

http://www.wjtv.com/story/24992456/...-accused-of-killing-20-year-old-missing-woman

PS: First time linking for me, hope it works. :biggrin:

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Grammar and spelling are not my forte after midnight. Night all.

Hard week, too tired to correct. They hold the answers, where's Heather? Both are murderers in my book. It would have to be pretty compelling news to change my mind now. Show me. Huh, can't hear you? What? Can you speak up? smh

Yes, please tell us where Heather is! lease:

Good night Dr. Know.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Actually, if they speak up either one, they would be admitting murder or acknowledgement to murder. There's two defendents charged with Heather's murder. This case is going to be a he said, she said plus whoever they can drag into it. They are only worrying about themselves now. sobs

If one can say "I saw her run her over or saw her deck her at PTL, or I saw her shoot her" then we got something. If that had happened, Heather would have been found, unless unrecoverable. sigh..

Tonight, I see neither being innocent of Heather's murder. Not one bit. Guess you had to have been there to read the damning post on FB to get to this point. It took one damning fb comment from TM to realize she's a danger to anyone and everyone who comes in contact with "her family". sigh

I wonder how many times her family said "she needs to sober up"? Or better yet, "she needs her azz kicked"? I read one article that said SM was "evil" but nothing to back it up so far. No other stations have admitted that.

Please protect the youngest of the family. They shouldn't have been at the trial at all. jmo Not with the x rated evidence. jmo Where the heck are the caretakers heads or DSS for that matter? garr

 

[Idon'tneedthesame]

Actually, if they speak up either one, they would be admitting murder or acknowledgement to murder. There's two defendents charged with Heather's murder. This case is going to be a he said, she said plus whoever they can drag into it. They are only worrying about themselves now. sobs

If one can say "I saw her run her over or saw her deck her at PTL, or I saw her shoot her" then we got something. If that had happened, Heather would have been found, unless unrecoverable. sigh..

Tonight, I see neither being innocent of Heather's murder. Not one bit. Guess you had to have been there to read the damning post on FB to get to this point. It took one damning fb comment from TM to realize she's a danger to anyone and everyone who comes in contact with "her family". sigh

I wonder how many times her family said "she needs to sober up"? Or better yet, "she needs her azz kicked"? I read one article that said SM was "evil" but nothing to back it up so far. No other stations have admitted that.

Please protect the youngest of the family. They shouldn't have been at the trial at all. jmo Not with the x rated evidense. jmo Where the heck are the caretakers heads or DSS for that matter? garr

I agree. Minors should not be there. I have a lot more to say but won't get put in time out...

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

Actually, if they speak up either one, they would be admitting murder or acknowledgement to murder. There's two defendents charged with Heather's murder. This case is going to be a he said, she said plus whoever they can drag into it. They are only worrying about themselves now. sobs

If one can say "I saw her run her over or saw her deck her at PTL, or I saw her shoot her" then we got something. If that had happened, Heather would have been found, unless unrecoverable. sigh..

Tonight, I see neither being innocent of Heather's murder. Not one bit. Guess you had to have been there to read the damning post on FB to get to this point. It took one damning fb comment from TM to realize she's a danger to anyone and everyone who comes in contact with "her family". sigh

I wonder how many times her family said "she needs to sober up"? Or better yet, "she needs her azz kicked"? I read one article that said SM was "evil" but nothing to back it up so far. No other stations have admitted that.

Please protect the youngest of the family. They shouldn't have been at the trial at all. jmo Not with the x rated evidence. jmo Where the heck are the caretakers heads or DSS for that matter? garr

:goodpost:

Am sitting here nodding my head in agreement to everything you've said! :thumb:

 

[escabeche]

Can anyone come up with a logical explanation for this time-line. Only two minutes between the time the truck passes and the time Heather's phone stops sending data signals. The truck was not even at PTL at 3:39. Makes no sense at all to me.

I'm playing catch up so not sure if the below makes sense or fits with all evidence we know of...

My take on the tight timeline above is one of the Moorer's (M1) dropped the other (M2) at PTL. When Heather arrived M2 subdued her somehow (and possibly killed her, if she was in fact killed there). M2 then took HE's phone, contacted M1 to say it was done and threw the phone in the water, disabling it. M1 then drives to PTL, they put HE in the truck and leave. Both the Moorer's then dispose of HE body in an unknown location.

Insert random indecent exposure charges before and/or after the kidnapping/murder as required. I believe the reason, or at least part of the reason, they chose to have 'marital relations' around this time was to establish an alibi as to why they were gone from home (in case someone could prove they weren't at home all evening)... or perhaps it was some kind of sick celebration after 'reaffirming their love' to one another.

All JMO

 

[stmarysmead]

I don't trust tumblr and times. I see what you are saying, but I don't know if she would have just sat there alone...reflecting in thought...for 45 minutes after she called her roommate sobbing and only talking 2 minutes.

I find it interesting that, after an hour, she had reason to believe that she could reach SM at that pay phone. That, combined with the short tearful call to her friend, makes me suspect that she was waiting for SM to call her back.

In other words, after the first call, SM may have said that he was going back to the house for a few things ...I will call you back and you can pick me up. She made that quick distressed call to her friend...then waited to hear from him again. After an hour, she tries the phone booth. Increasingly worried, she takes the risk to repeatedly call his cell. Finally he answers. And she leaves for the Landing.

IMO There are only two reasons to call that phone booth an hour later in the middle of the night: one, if they had used it as a point of contact with each other since TM took his phone...or if he told her to wait for another call. After an hour, she is nervous and tries to call him.

Whatever he told her, in addition to leaving his wife, etc....had some kind of urgency about it that caused a fearful Heather to take the risk to call his cell. That is interesting too.

One question for those of you who have read Heather's social media postings from that night (I have not)...if SM and TM had had a huge blowup that night...and TM was already "stalking" Heather online....after SM left the house, wouldn't it be likely that TM went on Heathers Tumblr etc to see what she could find? Would Heathers postings, even if they were posted BEFORE she knew SM had left...have added to TM's rage?

I am not asking for details if not allowed on this thread...just opinions on how TM might have reacted to them. Please delete, Mods, if question is inappropriate.

 

[SharetheLight]

Disposed means this,





A criminal or infraction case is considered disposed only when a disposition has been entered for all charges in the case, and on the date when the last disposition is entered. A felony case in district court is considered disposed on the date the case is bound over to superior court (such as by a waiver or finding of probable cause, or by a superceding indictment) or finally disposed in district court (such as by finding of no probable cause, dismissal, or guilty plea). The disposition date is the actual date of the final disposition, not the date when the data are entered into the automated system (which can be later).



https://infocheckusa.zendesk.com/entries/374550-What-does-Case-Disposed-mean-on-my-Report-



Just generic info, not SC law on dispositons.

I wonder in what manner TM's IE cases were disposed? State dropped the case? Wouldn't the actual disposition be listed in the system? Has anyone seen what the actual disposition of this case (TM IE charges) is?
We had all thought disposed just meant she posted bond but if she posted bond on the ObJ charge and that isn't listed as disposed then I guess there is something going on here that we weren't aware of.
Did the state drop the IE charges against TM?

Eta: I went and looked and those charges are still pending so I'm confused as to why an article would say they weren't.
http://www.wjtv.com/story/24992456/...-accused-of-killing-20-year-old-missing-woman
From the article:
"Tammy Moorer, is also charged with one count of obstruction of justice, Originally she also faced two counts of indecent exposure, but according to the J. Reuben Long Detention Center, those charges have been disposed."

 

[Makaroni]

I wonder in what manner TM's IE cases were disposed? State dropped the case? Wouldn't the actual disposition be listed in the system? Has anyone seen what the actual disposition of this case (TM IE charges) is?
We had all thought disposed just meant she posted bond but if she posted bond on the ObJ charge and that isn't listed as disposed then I guess there is something going on here that we weren't aware of.
Did the state drop the IE charges against TM?

When I pull up charges on public index, I don't see disposed. I see preliminary hearing date. :waitasec:

 

[SStarr33]

I'm going to request the Bond hearing transcript tomorrow. I'm unsure whether they'll mail it to me/via email/etc. Does anyone know offhand?
Sure hope it's not pickup only...long ride from Chitown...

Sent from my KFTHWI

I'm gonna say Pony Express since it is Horry County

 

[SharetheLight]

When I pull up charges on public index, I don't see disposed. I see preliminary hearing date. :waitasec:

I know I just looked at it. I'm not sure what that article meant then?? I still see the IE charges as pending. Let me go get the link to put here so people don't think I am losing it

This article is what has confused me:

http://www.wjtv.com/story/24992456/...-accused-of-killing-20-year-old-missing-woman
From the article:
"Tammy Moorer, is also charged with one count of obstruction of justice, Originally she also faced two counts of indecent exposure, but according to the J. Reuben Long Detention Center, those charges have been disposed."