GUILTY SC - Nine killed in Emanuel AME Church shooting, Charleston, 2015; Dylann Roof GUILTY #3

  • #681
I've never watched a trial in SC -- I just looked at WAT & I didn't see a SC trial in the archives, but the list I saw was, I'm sure, incomplete.

Charleston is pretty sophisticated, so I would think a televised or streamed trial would not be unknown or a technical challenge nor one that the public would shun, etc.

Maybe a South Carolinian or a Sleuther who has watched a SC trial could let us know if it would indeed be possible...

And again, YESorNO, let me thank you much, much, much for your delivering to us so very much good & timely info. You remain a Wonder!
 
  • #682
Just mo our legal system is strapped. I think this is a waste of time and money - the world knows he did it lets the feds have him let the state systems try to deal with mass shooters etc jmo

Re the State of S.C. trying Roof for murder

Let me first say I am not a resident of SC, but IMO, I think the people of SC and Charleston would like to try Roof because of what he did to The People of the State of South Carolina. Although they know he is confined to a Federal prison until he is executed or until he dies, there could be a reversal, retrial, etc., etc. I would think that the prosecutors in Charleston County would like to prosecute him for crimes against the State. I would certainly feel that way if I were a resident of that state.

In a church, no way to escape, trusting and welcoming their guest in Christian love, being killed by someone who just wanted to kill, their church picked because AME churches are traditionally African-American churches....

It will be interesting to follow this part of this horrible and hateful crime.
 
  • #683
Because of the “dual sovereign” exception to the double jeopardy protection, the Constitution allows both the state and the federal government to obtain a conviction and
impose a sentence based on exactly the same conduct since the crime constitutes a wrong against two separate polities: the people of the state and the people of the
nation.


http://www.americanbar.org/content/...st_cjmag_21_2_federalorstate.authcheckdam.pdf

bbm
 
  • #684
Just mo our legal system is strapped. I think this is a waste of time and money - the world knows he did it lets the feds have him let the state systems try to deal with mass shooters etc jmo


The federal trial was not for murder, but the state trial is. The federal sentencing is going to be appealed forever, with a possibility it will be overturned. A state conviction will be more of a guarantee that at some point the death sentence will occur, or at least he will never get out.
 
  • #685
Can you turn a terrorist back into citizen:

A CONTROVERSIAL NEW PROGRAM AIMS TO REFORM HOMEGROWN ISIS RECRUITS BACK INTO NORMAL YOUNG AMERICANS
"...Koeh*ler’s key finding has been that all extremists, regardless of ideology, develop a sort of tunnel vision as they go through the indoctrination process. An ordinary high school or college student, Koeh*ler argues, has a lot of problems (tricky classes, meddling parents, romantic woes) as well as many potential solutions (study harder, find a job, date someone new). A person who’s journeying down the path toward radicalization, by contrast, sees their problems and solutions each get winnowed down to one—a process that Koeh*ler terms “depluralization.” The solitary problem for these individuals is always that there’s a global conspiracy against their race or religion; the solitary solution to such persecution is violence, with the goal of placing themselves and their group in control of a revamped society.

Koeh*ler sees little point in starting moral or theological arguments with these young people, who are more interested in becoming warriors than debating the finer points of scripture. Instead, he advocates repluralization: the careful reintro*duction of problems and solutions into a radicalized person’s life, so that they can no longer devote all their mental energy to stewing over their paranoia..."

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/can-y...id=synd_digg&utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email
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  • #686
INSIDE THE TRIAL OF DYLANN ROOF
The complicated moral calculations that followed a horrific crime.

"...Simmons told me that her own views were irrelevant, because Roof had “sentenced himself to death by his actions.”

Those moral calculations, as with everything else associated with the case, were refracted through the lens of race. In a statewide poll, two-thirds of African-Americans favored sentencing Roof to life in prison, while sixty-four per cent of whites believed that the death penalty was warranted. That result mirrored the general division between blacks and whites on the issue of capital punishment, which is driven, at least in part, by the fact that it has disproportionately been used against black defendants. It had to be said that excising Roof’s presence from the world would change little about black Charlestonians’ perspective on what happened at the church that night. Their white counterparts, meanwhile, were eager to reject Roof’s overtures to them. Joe Riley, the city’s mayor at the time, emphasized that the suspect was not from Charleston, a point that Riley’s successor, John Tecklenburg, reiterated, as did other whites with whom I discussed the trial. If race offered a reluctant commonality between Roof and white Charleston, geography provided at least a literal distancing...

Because Roof had refused to have his mental-health history discussed, Bruck was left to portray him as an alienated young man, not fully capable of distinguishing between the real world and the hyperbolic paranoid clamor that he found on the Internet.

Bruck’s emphasis on Roof’s age wasn’t entirely lost on the court. Andy Savage, the lawyer who represented several of the families in a separate lawsuit against the federal government, for allowing Roof to purchase a firearm despite a drug arrest—and who had also, incidentally, represented Officer Michael Slager in his trial—told me that the families initially suspected that Roof hadn’t acted alone. “That changed after watching the confession,” Savage said. Roof was not the product of sinister manipulation: his biggest complaint was his inability to find like-minded patriots—he dismissed other white nationalists as being all talk. He was, instead, a prodigy of hate..."

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...pJobID=1082574209&spReportId=MTA4MjU3NDIwOQS2
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  • #687
After Roof trial, SC addressing faith, violence intersection

"COLUMBIA, S.C. - The federal trial of the South Carolina man who slaughtered nine Bible study participants has come and gone, with Dylann Roof's death sentence assuring he will spend the rest of his limited days in custody.

But the June 2015 shootings at Emanuel AME continue to prompt a conversation about the uneasy intersection of faith and gun violence, as thousands of worshippers around South Carolina gather this weekend to memorialize crime victims and call for reform.

It isn't just the church slaughter that has sounded the alarm bells. The Center for American Progress found South Carolina ranked sixth in the nation for the overall rate of gun violence, noting someone was killed with a gun in the state roughly every 13 hours.

Events throughout the state are part of Stand Up Sunday, launched last year by a group meeting in the very room where Rev. Clementa Pinckney and eight others were gunned down as they prayed. Pinckney's lifelong best friend, fellow AME Pastor Kylon Middleton, is now heading the group he says provides an opportunity for people of faith to stand up for those they've lost and talk about real solutions to problems of gun violence..."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/...essing-faith-violence-intersection-1.13029266
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  • #688
In another note - I've sent Roof's writings (the handwritten items posted here) to a friend of mine who does handwriting analysis. I'll post when she is done with it. Maybe get some "insight" into his mind...

and YES! YESorNO is TRULY Wonderful for keeping us all updated!!!
 
  • #689
Originally posted by YESorNO

Events throughout the state are part of Stand Up Sunday, launched last year by a group meeting in the very room where Rev. Clementa Pinckney and eight others were gunned down as they prayed. Pinckney's lifelong best friend, fellow AME Pastor Kylon Middleton, is now heading the group he says provides an opportunity for people of faith to stand up for those they've lost and talk about real solutions to problems of gun violence..."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/a...ion-1.13029266

Thanks for the article -- it's great what they are doing. I'm sure their hearts are still broken, and always will be, but they are forging ahead in a very fine way.

If all the world were like that loving congregation, we could all sing, "And I think to myself, What a wonderful world."
 
  • #690
Jury verdict form for Dylann Roof's federal hate crimes trial (20 pages)

"This is the form the jury foreman filled out after polling the jurors in the Dylann Roof federal hate crimes trial..."

https://www.scribd.com/document/336...n-Roof-s-federal-hate-crimes-trial#from_embed
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This stuff just strikes me as so weird. He said he did it. Its like we are back in the dark ages- our technolgy should be clearing out the backlog in our criminal justice system.



IMO there should be no how do you plead in cases (Fort Lauderdale comes to mind) sir, we have you on video tape pulling out your gun and shooting people.

The Macys mall shooter same stuff.

You may plead not guilty all you want - your on tape your going to jail - next case!

We believe surveillance video at 7-11 robberies, but when it comes to murdering people for some reason the tape has to be proven - makes totally no sense to me!!

moo
 
  • #691
Unsealed documents shed light on Dylann Roof's mental health issues

Dr. James Ballenger, a local forensic psychiatrist, found that Roof showed signs of “Social Anxiety Disorder, a Mixed Substance Abuse Disorder, a Schizoid Personality Disorder, depression by history, and a possible Autistic Spectrum Disorder," the court filing indicates.

http://www.postandcourier.com/churc...cle_404a01bc-e959-11e6-ad24-0f32fef2c5bb.html
 
  • #692
DR still knows right from wrong.
 
  • #693
Unsealed documents shed light on Dylann Roof's mental health issues

Dr. James Ballenger, a local forensic psychiatrist, found that Roof showed signs of “Social Anxiety Disorder, a Mixed Substance Abuse Disorder, a Schizoid Personality Disorder, depression by history, and a possible Autistic Spectrum Disorder," the court filing indicates.

http://www.postandcourier.com/churc...cle_404a01bc-e959-11e6-ad24-0f32fef2c5bb.html

Sounds about right.


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  • #694
Unsealed documents shed light on Dylann Roof's mental health issues

Dr. James Ballenger, a local forensic psychiatrist, found that Roof showed signs of “Social Anxiety Disorder, a Mixed Substance Abuse Disorder, a Schizoid Personality Disorder, depression by history, and a possible Autistic Spectrum Disorder," the court filing indicates.

http://www.postandcourier.com/churc...cle_404a01bc-e959-11e6-ad24-0f32fef2c5bb.html

Those dang schizoid personalities... the Dark Knight Rises killer (refuse to reference his name) was diagnosed w/ schizoid affective disorder, too.


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  • #695
Unsealed documents shed light on Dylann Roof's mental health issues

Dr. James Ballenger, a local forensic psychiatrist, found that Roof showed signs of “Social Anxiety Disorder, a Mixed Substance Abuse Disorder, a Schizoid Personality Disorder, depression by history, and a possible Autistic Spectrum Disorder," the court filing indicates.

http://www.postandcourier.com/churc...cle_404a01bc-e959-11e6-ad24-0f32fef2c5bb.html

DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR COURTROOM ACCOMMODATIONS (5 pages)

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...-11e6-aaab-0bcef9f49fab/5893aebddfd66.pdf.pdf
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MOTION TO PRECLUDE TESTIMONY OR TO PERMIT
REASONABLE CROSS-EXAMINATION AND RESPONSIVE EVIDENCE (12 pages)


"...3. The defendant’s well-documented preoccupation with imaginary or
exaggerated health concerns, including lymphatic cancer, a thyroid disorder,
and Hashimoto’s disease (2015). This addresses the defendant’s ability to
form intent, because it demonstrates that his anxieties, motivations and
decision-making are both atypical and irrational. (pg. 6)...

Mr. Pack [his employer] had a hard time knowing when the defendant was joking because he said
everything in a monotone voice and would not crack a smile when joking. (pg 10)..."


http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...-11e6-a2c1-bfe74fb02348/5893af0b9ed2a.pdf.pdf
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Roof was a hypochondriac? and his friends also said that they didn't know when he was joking.
 
  • #696
Trial Documents Show Dylann Roof Had Mental Disorders

"...What documents were made public?

Judge Gergel sealed hundreds of court filings before and during the trial, including those concerning Mr. Roof’s mental health. He now plans to release as many as he can on a rolling basis without compromising a possible state trial on murder charges. This week, he unsealed a first batch of 175.

They do not include the documents most critical to understanding Mr. Roof’s actions, including psychiatric evaluations ordered by the court or that may have been requested by his own lawyers. The judge also did not make available transcripts of two competency hearings that were closed to the public. But he did unseal several defense motions that hint at the case Mr. Roof’s lawyers hoped to present....

The disorders listed by the psychiatrist do not necessarily cause severe impairment, even in combination. Nor do they particularly suggest the kind of deep-seated psychosis or delusion associated with criminals who cannot appreciate the severity of their acts.

Schizoid personality disorder, for instance, is distinct from schizophrenia, although the two conditions can share some traits. It is defined by the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders as “a pervasive pattern of detachment from social relationships and a restricted range of expression of emotions in interpersonal settings.” Social anxiety disorder, according to the text, refers to a “marked fear or anxiety about one or more social situations in which the individual is exposed to possible scrutiny by others.”.."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/...emc=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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  • #697
Attorneys for Dylann Roof file motion for new federal trial, attempt to throw out death penalty

"Attorneys for convicted Emanuel AME Church shooter Dylann Roof took aim at his death penalty in a motion for a new federal trial.

With a looming deadline, attorneys David Bruck, Kimberly Stevens and Emily Paavola filed the motion Friday in U.S. District Court in Charleston. It seeks to throw out Roof's death sentence in favor of life in prison without the possibility of release by targeting the charges eligible for capital punishment.

Of Roof's 33 federal counts, 18 were eligible for the death penalty. He had previously offered to plead guilty in return for a life sentence.

The attorneys raised two issues in the filing.

First, they argued that Roof's actions didn't constitute interstate commerce because the attack was planned and executed completely within South Carolina.

The attorneys also argued that two charges — hate crime and obstructing persons in the free exercise of religious belief — were not "crimes of violence" because "they do not require the use or threat of use of 'violent physical force.'"..."

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/...cle_90c65cae-efe8-11e6-9d08-4373f42bfa83.html
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Dylann Roof's attorneys motion for new trial, seek to throw out death sentence

"...Attorney David Bruck calls into question two issues regarding the other convictions, both of which were questioned and overruled in pretrial motions last year.

First, Bruck questions whether Roof using the internet before the attack, the interstate highway system after the attack, as well as making use of a handgun and ammunition and other items made out of state constitute a violation of interstate commerce....

Bruck also rekindled his earlier argument whether Roof's crime involved the use of violent force as established by federal hate crime law.

"This is not the first time – nor will it be the last – in which the categorical
approach has required a finding that seems at odds with the facts of the case: how could this crime not be a crime of violence? Courts have recognized the cognitive dissonance that results from the application of the law in this manner," he writes.

Bruck notes there is some vagueness in the law that was not addressed by the court during the Roof trial. But he asks for a delay in the court's decision to grant a new trial until the Supreme Court takes up a similar question on vagueness in Sessions (formerly Lynch) v. Dimaya.

In that case, the Court is asked to determine whether the Immigration and Nationality Act's guidelines concerning a person's removal from the U.S. is unconstitutionally vague..."

http://abcnews4.com/news/local/dyla...or-new-trial-seek-to-throw-out-death-sentence
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  • #698
Federal judge unseals first batch of Dylann Roof trial filings

"Newly unsealed documents from Dylann Roof's hate crimes trial show a heated battle by his defense team to keep jurors from hearing him confess to killing nine people inside Charleston's Emanuel AME Church or seeing the racist manifesto he penned in jail after his arrest for the massacre.

Hundreds of pages of documents from the high-profile case — some dating back to the summer of 2015 — had remained sealed while attorneys prepared for a trial that ended last month with the self-avowed white supremacist receiving a death sentence for his crimes. With the trial over, U.S. District Court Judge Richard Gergel issued an order late Tuesday opening dozens of hidden files to public view.

The filings reveal months of wrangling between federal prosecutors and defense attorneys over evidence in the case and a host of procedural issues..."

http://www.postandcourier.com/churc...cle_f755789e-e87f-11e6-8eee-531fc01849fb.html
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  • #699
Defense motion to suppress Roof confession, other items

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(complete motion: http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...-11e6-9eee-cf6afa7da679/58922f2f3ad5d.pdf.pdf...)
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