SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #16

[worm]

In the LE interview in the car I notice Alex looking out the side of his eye towards the officer and possibly to the camera. Especially at the beginning. Did not strike me as typical behavior of a distraught person. JMO.

I just can’t ever judge how somebody reacts to tragic events since it can vary so. There are some things about his actions that night that bug me, I just overlook the emotions. I’ve seen cases where people are sad, and it’s doubted along with cases where they will say the opposite. It just seems like an investigative box that no matter the response, it is seen as doubtful.

 

[DrQ]

IMHO When the news first broke on this case, I immediately thought Hmmmm Wonder where the husband was? Geeee I bet there is money and a potential divorce in play. Come to find out. It is even more twisted than that. PM and his family are the "Big Guys" of the area. LE has a difficult job when dealing with celebrities' and wealthy citizens. It shouldn't be any different than a situation with any one else but often times it is.
Watching Murdaugh at trial is interesting. He appears to be more of a chair attorney than on trial. Periodically, a slight hint of arrogance shows. I hope there is not a juror who feels they need to see the crime committed on a security cameras before believing something happened. If AM is found guilty, his son will be the last of their family unit.

 

[worm]

He said that he touched their bodies then drove up to the house to grab the shotgun. Assuming defense will say that’s when the blood transferred

All of that is just off to me. Somebody finds a double murder at a big property and they go on into the house after, without regard, to get a gun? The danger could have been on the front porch with that gun. He just seemed too confident in his own safety for someone who just found 2 murder victims.

 

[DeDee]

I'm running behind on the thread. A 1yo is spending the night! Wanted to ask: "What exactly did AM figure how to do? Did he move Paul's body?"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1619074807500251146

 

[clearskies1]

Was there testimony or evidence about what the presumptive blood areas in the car looked like? Meaning any evidence someone may not have seen them or tried to wash them away? TIA.

 

[MaisieBella]

We have no idea when they died. What evidence has been shown that they died 2 minutes after they used their phones? Bc they weren’t using their phones? If I put my phone back in my pocket at 8:45 after sending a message the fact that it’s idle in my pocket doesn’t make me dead. The phones were not powered off

No, they weren’t powered off, but from that moment they were never used again.

 

[clearskies1]

It seemed like PM did go up to the house after he called 911. Wondering if it’s possible that he did not retrieve the 12 gauge gun at the house, but instead had the gun with him as a potential murder weapon and couldn’t use it because the gun was jammed with 16 gauge ammo? JMO.

 

[Boodles]

I do believe, if Alex killed Maggie and Paul, that he had bloody clothes that were changed Before LE arrived. Did he shower? Hose himself off outside? Idk.

But then how did the minute amount of blood spatter get onto his clean clothes? If I understand correctly, it’s small amounts of spatter, not stains seen without close examination. Am I incorrect?

Because I can imagine getting small amounts of blood on your clothing while disposing of bloody garments. But it wouldn't be spatter, I wouldn’t think. It would be more like blotches or bigger spots.

I missed most of yesterday’s testimony. Was this discussed? TIA.

 

[nodamselindistress]

One thing that stands out to me so far in AM's communications with the various law enforcement officers is he does not seem like he is on any type of drugs. Although I have no idea of how opiod addicition manifests in human behavior, he is not what I would think it looks like. Just my uneducated opinion.

 

[otto]

We have no idea when they died. What evidence has been shown that they died 2 minutes after they used their phones? Bc they weren’t using their phones? If I put my phone back in my pocket at 8:45 after sending a message the fact that it’s idle in my pocket doesn’t make me dead. The phones were not powered off

I'm trusting that the prosecution has evidence to back up the opening statements. Alex's phone activity stopped at 8:02 p.m., Paul's phone activity stopped at 8:49 p.m., Maggie's phone activity stopped at 8:50 p.m. Only Alex's phone activity re-starts.

Alternative theory would be that Paul and Maggie inexplicably, simultaneously stopped using their phones at 8:50 p.m. Although Alex had just spoken with Maggie, he walked to the house to phone and text her at 9:02 p.m. about visit to mom. Where was Maggie's phone at that time? Maggie was alive but ignored 9:02 p.m. text and phone call. What time was her phone tossed into the trees? Reason that Maggie arrived at Moselle at 8:15 was to visit Alex's parents, no explanation for why she did not go with Alex to visit his mom at 9:02.

8:02 p.m. Alex phone activity temporarily stops, probably left in the house (claims he was napping, claims he was not at the kennel at 8:45)
8:15 p.m. Maggie arrived for a visit. She was staying/living at the beach house
8:30 p.m. Paul goes to the kennels (check on friend's dog?)
8:45 p.m. Alex, Maggie and Paul are together on video at the kennels
8:49 p.m. Paul phone activity permanently stops (no follow-up on video to friend)
8:50 p.m. Maggie phone activity permanently stops
9:02 p.m. Alex phone activity starts, phones Maggie, father, texts Maggie about visiting mom
10:00 p.m. Alex phones 911

Here's what we learned during opening statements in the Murdaugh murder trial

There are 12 jurors, consisting of 8 women and 4 men. There are 6 alternate jurors.

www.firstcoastnews.com

 

[Cinna]

All of that is just off to me. Somebody finds a double murder at a big property and they go on into the house after, without regard, to get a gun? The danger could have been on the front porch with that gun. He just seemed too confident in his own safety for someone who just found 2 murder victims.

If I believed there was a killer on my property, I would get the gun. It's a no brainer. The killer could be anywhere. Best best is to try for the gun rather than sit where the killer was last and hope for the best. To be honest, if it was my family lying there dead, I'd get the gun and start hunting the guy down.

 

[otto]

If I believed there was a killer on my property, I would get the gun. It's a no brainer. The killer could be anywhere. Best best is to try for the gun rather than sit where the killer was last and hope for the best. To be honest, if it was my family lying there dead, I'd get the gun and start hunting the guy down.

Seems like the no-brainer reaction would be to immediately leave the property ... not to stay at the acreage, move between buildings, go into the house, get a gun, return to the bodies, wait alone in the dark for 30 minutes until police arrive.

 

[Cinna]

Seems like the no-brainer reaction would be to immediately leave the property ... not to stay at the acreage, move between buildings, go into the house, get a gun, return to the bodies, wait alone in the dark for 30 minutes until police arrive.

Maybe for someone who was thinking clearly. I would be emotional and reactive. So I'd get the gun and hope for a chance to nail the killer.

 

[Elley Mae]

No, they weren’t powered off, but from that moment they were never used again.

My iphone has feature under, Health that counts steps you take, maybe they accessed that and know when the phone stopped moving.

Jmo

 

[Walela]

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Is there any aerial footage of the property that shows the sunflower field and any road/trail used to get to it? I'm looking but have only found 1 that might show the field but it was taken at the wrong time of year and the field I see is plowed. If you know of one, please link it if possible.

 

[worm]

If I believed there was a killer on my property, I would get the gun. It's a no brainer. The killer could be anywhere. Best best is to try for the gun rather than sit where the killer was last and hope for the best. To be honest, if it was my family lying there dead, I'd get the gun and start hunting the guy down.

I’m not questioning the willingness to protect, but the safe confidence of crossing that property to go into a house that could or couldn’t hold danger. That shotgun is of no use if the person who was willing to kill 2 there already is within reach of it. It just seems that somebody with his education and some understanding of crime wouldn’t take those chances. And if he took the time out to change clothes while there then ima think he is joking with us somehow as that is pretty close to “dumb crook news” territory. (If anybody recalls that old article from newspapers about the local “scenes” in the 80s-90s)

 

[Walela]

My iphone has feature under, Health that counts steps you take, maybe they accessed that and know when the phone stopped moving.

Jmo

I think they're counting on Google to show when their phones stopped moving. That evidence is still to come.
moo

 

[Seattle1]

We have no idea when they died. What evidence has been shown that they died 2 minutes after they used their phones? Bc they weren’t using their phones? If I put my phone back in my pocket at 8:45 after sending a message the fact that it’s idle in my pocket doesn’t make me dead. The phones were not powered off

I don't think anybody here believes prosecutors are using the phone records exclusively to mark the time of death!

First responders arrived to find bodies with pooled blood (coagulated) and autopsies estimated the time of death in the same window the victims ceased using their mobiles. The ME/coroner will testify to the estimated time of death.

 

[Seattle1]

One of the things that I am questioning is this estate-compound-hunting lodge-home of 1700 acres and several buildings and a gun room containing 20-25 guns and ammo, dog runs with kennels where there was at least one other person's dog, and there is not one camera anywhere. Not one. How many people with much smaller properties and possessions have cameras? The kennel/dog run area was a distance away from the main house and it would have made sense to have cameras there so you didn't have to go yet still could keep your eye on things. Were there ever any cameras at Moselle?

When AM was asked by SLED about any cameras, AM responded that they only had game/deer cameras that were located in the stands.

Perhaps the implied security by "Murdaughs" was a hired caretaker. Seems to me they lived by their own methods than the rest of the community. MOO

 

[eloquence]

One thing that stands out to me so far in AM's communications with the various law enforcement officers is he does not seem like he is on any type of drugs. Although I have no idea of how opiod addicition manifests in human behavior, he is not what I would think it looks like. Just my uneducated opinion.

Wasn't he struggling with prescription pain meds (oxycodone)? That is different than how someone would act on meth or heroin where they would seem totally out of it and/or say and do unusual things. Plenty of people live fairly normal lives, go to work and have a family etc with hidden prescription pain med addictions like this. I don't think one can conclude whether or not he was on drugs at the time just from how he acts in the video.