SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #16

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I find it curious that all those attorneys (and the ever-present JMM) needed to be present while SLED is examining and seizing the firearms in the gun room.

Also surprising SLED found tarnished *spent* shell casings around the side stoop of the Moselle house near the gun room. OT but what responsible gun owner would be shooting his AR that close to their home? Crazy!
 
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Can someone post an ariel photo of the property and show me where the bodys were? The only photo I've found is google and it only show one large barn and one much smaller.
From the video the other day it looks like two large barns.
Thanks


(Be sure to check the Media, Maps, Timeline thread.)
 
  • #563
I have a feeling that these spent casings discovered will have the same markings from the guns used in the shootings… but are also the guns that mysteriously disappeared. moo

(I know I am not identifying/naming the guns correctly…but I am not a gun person)
 
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Behind defense side imo
I she still there? I thought I saw her earlier but haven't since they took a break. I did notice that she was writing a lot while the jury was coming into the room, may be why the jury was uncomfortable and asked that the audience be reminded that they are to remain anonymous.
 
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AM’s glasses are on the tip of his nose and looks like they’ll fall off if he starts bouncing too much again
 
  • #567
Wonder how the Gucci receipt ties in!
 
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@Elley Mae has provided the link in the above post. On page 10 the question is CLEAR:

IQ-11: Could the shooter be prone or kneeling on the cement at the time of the shoulder headshot?

(The answer is broke up into 3 parts. Boldening is by me).

".....it is unlikely that the shooter was standing with a shouldered weapon at the time of the second discharge."

( When I read that I thought to myself, was the second shot shooting from the hip? Did he get down on his knee?)

(Dick knows this information and is USING IT!!!)
My thought about this is that the first shot that Paul took was to his side and that is the one which they refer to as having driven the wadding into his body. That shot dropped him, but didn't kill him outright. He was on the floor when the second shot was delivered to his head. Clearly, the shooter would have been standing and the rifle/shotgun would have been aimed at his head from an angle by a standing shooter. That was the kill shot that finished him. So, no, the weapon wouldn't have been shouldered for that one nor from the hip, IMO.

When I try to visualize it, that's what I imagine. I have never fired a weapon in my life.
 
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Recess for lunch.
 
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Who has the best coverage to watch?
 
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The state has called its 10th witness, special agent Jeff Croft. Lead prosecutor Creighton Waters is questioning him. He responded to the crime scene the morning after the slayings.

Croft testifies he spoke with Rogan Gibson, one of Paul's friends, the morning after the slayings. He viewed and took photos of communications Gibson had received from Paul the night before. Waters puts them on the screen. We can't see them.

Croft testifies Paul called Gibson at 8:40 p.m. that evening and they spoke for 4 minutes. Then Paul called Gibson again at 8:44 p.m. Then at 8:59 p.m., Gibson texted Paul asking him to send a picture of a dog. No response.

Gibson called Paul five times over more than an hour. 9:10 p.m., 9:29 p.m., 9:42 p.m., 9:57 p.m., 10:08 p.m. At 9:58 p.m., Rogan texted Paul: “Yo.” Rogan also texted Maggie Murdaugh at 9:34 p.m. asking her to have Paul call him.

Rogan Gibson also had missed calls from Alex Murdaugh at 10:21 p.m., 10:24 p.m., 10:25 p.m. and 10:30 p.m., Croft testified.

State prosecutor Creighton Waters seems like he is about to introduce the jury to something the rest of us learned just before trial - that spent .300 Blackout shell casings found all over the Moselle property matched casings found near Maggie's body.

Croft testifies he entered the Moselle main house and searched the first-floor gun room. Outside the exterior door of that gun room, Croft says he found older spent .300 Blackout casings.

Croft testifies Alex Murdaugh's former law partners Lee Cope, Mark Ball and Ronnie Crosby were at Moselle as investigators searched the property on the day after the 6/7/21 slayings.

Croft testifies he found one gun on the Moselle property (Buster's .300 Blackout rifle) that could shoot .300 Blackout rounds. No others. It was in the gun room.

Croft testifies about finding an empty ammo box in the Moselle gun room that was labeled as 147-grain .300 Blackout rounds. 147-grain is a measure of the weight of those bullets. Bullets of the same caliber can still have different weights, Croft testified.

Croft testifies Bamberg attorney Chris Wilson, Murdaugh's friend whom he called on the night of the slayings, was in the gun room with the three PMPED attorneys at some point during SLED's search on the day after the killings. Murdaugh's brother, John Marvin, was there too.

State prosecutor Crieghton Waters seems to be in a very good mood. He overcomes Murdaugh attorney Jim Griffin's objection to showing a .300 Blackout rifle to the jury. In a chipper voice, he continues, "Let's see what else is in this box" before dumping out a magazine.

The latter part felt like an episode of Blue's Clues.

Apologies for the photo quality, but here’s Waters handling the .300 Blackout rifle

Waters and Croft now showing a 12-gauge shotgun that was seized from Moselle. Griffin objects, says a lot of weapons were seized from Moselle, wonders how this is relevant. Judge Newman overrules the objection.

I imagine he is about to make the case that Maggie and Paul Murdaugh were killed with Murdaugh family weapons and Murdaugh family ammunition.

Griffin again objects as Waters presents a parade of guns seized from Moselle. “There’s no evidence linking these guns to the crime." Waters: "It is very important to show the extensiveness of the investigation,” including all the testing SLED did with the seized guns.

Judge Newman again sides with Waters, who continues to unbox shotgun after shotgun.

As
@jocgrz
points out, prosecutors are showing jurors that the Murdaughs kept loaded firearms in their gun room.

As this testimony slows to a crawl, lunch weighs heavily on the mind.

Prosecutor Creighton Waters continues to inject some levity into his questioning. Presents body cam video of Croft digging through a trash can on the Moselle property on 6/8/21. Waters: “Is that a fun job?” Croft: “It’s not. Has to be done.”

Among Croft's findings in a trash can down by a shed on the Moselle property: Several empty 12-gauge ammo cases and a Gucci receipt on which someone had circled a $1,021.10 expenditure.
The plot thickens.

Waters presents the receipt to Croft. It's in a plastic bag.

Waters says he has a good bit of ground still to cover with Croft. Newman orders a break for the jury - sends them on their way.

With the jury gone, Murdaugh attorney Jim Griffin again objects to the Moselle weapons themselves being presented in court. The parade of "weapon after weapon" before the jury is "unfairly prejudicial," Griffin says.

Waters again argues that the defense has questioned the sufficiency/legitimacy of the state's investigation and presenting these guns is necessary to prove the extent of the state's testing. He says they are not prejudicial. Newman again sides with prosecutors.

We have now broken for lunch for at least an hour. (I didn't catch the exact time).

I am curious about who spent more than $1K at Gucci, what they spent it on, who circled that transaction on the receipt, and why prosecutor Creighton Waters thought that was relevant to this case. In the news business, we call what Waters just did there a "curiosity gap."
 
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They searched the trash at the shed. Large shed (hanger) 2 empty box 12 gauge ammo, empty box 12 gauge Browning TSS ammo, credit card statement circled item. The store on that circled item was Gucci store $1021.10

ETA: Wonder who was shopping at Gucci?
 
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I feel for Agent Worley. I've been harassed by men in this manner and it is very hard to keep your composure. My boss was once asked in a meeting with me, the only woman, if my work would embarrass the company. "Has she done anything to embarrass the company.". My boss laughed incredulously. I guess that was better than agreeing. This was in every single meeting I was gaslit.

Well done Ms Worley. We both know you had to do the twice as good as a man to earn such disrespect. You couldn't stop an incompetent LE from walking in the crime scene.
 
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I caught the last witness and oof! He didn’t get what “Gucci” was before going on the stand to testify? The solicitor seems as poorly organized as I am and couple all that with AM appearing to not get that he is the one on trial here and it’s almost comedy. I can only imagine how this is being looked at around the country.
 
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My thought about this is that the first shot that Paul took was to his side and that is the one which they refer to as having driven the wadding into his body. That shot dropped him, but didn't kill him outright. He was on the floor when the second shot was delivered to his head. Clearly, the shooter would have been standing and the rifle/shotgun would have been aimed at his head from an angle by a standing shooter. That was the kill shot that finished him. So, no the weapon wouldn't have been shouldered for that one nor from the hip, IMO.

When I try to visualize it, that's what I imagine. I have never fired a weapon in my life.
You will really find that link interesting to read. It shook me up. On page 4 & 5 it says after Paul was hit the first time the blood drops show Paul was still standing but moving slowly toward the door.....Paul's left side was dipping slightly and head slightly forward as he was standing or exiting the feed room when he was hit the 2nd time.

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I caught the last witness and oof! He didn’t get what “Gucci” was before going on the stand to testify? The solicitor seems as poorly organized as I am and couple all that with AM appearing to not get that he is the one on trial here and it’s almost comedy. I can only imagine how this is being looked at around the country.

The receipt should be time stamped. If it isn’t it can be traced to the store who has the info.
 
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I find it curious that all those attorneys (and the ever-present JMM) needed to be present while SLED is examining and seizing the firearms in the gun room.

Also surprising SLED found tarnished *spent* shell casings around the side stoop of the Moselle house near the gun room. OT but what responsible gun owner would be shooting his AR that close to their home? Crazy!

That made me feel really sorry for Maggie Murdaugh, having to live in and run a nice household where husband and kids were always standing at the back door shooting assault rifles. A fairly miserable existence. Ugh. What's the point in having a nice home in the country with all that noise, danger and mess. Like living in a war zone. They owned 1800 acres there. Is it too hard to get in yr 4 wheel thing or take a hike to get your gun shooting thrill?
 
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