SC - Walter Scott, 50, fatally shot by North Charleston PD officer, 4 April 2015 - #1

[Elley Mae]

I've seen a photo of them doing CPR--did someone say they didn't do CPR?

I have seen the officer check for a pulse at his throat but I haven't seen the cpr photo, do you have a link? tia

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/09/us/south-carolina-police-shooting/ CNN is now saying there was a passenger in Scott's car?

Scott family spokesman Ryan Julison confirmed to CNN that a man was with Scott and said he is not related to the family. The family declined to provide any more information.

http://q13fox.com/2015/04/09/south-carolina-police-shooting-walter-scott-had-a-passenger/

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/u...-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html

Police reports say that officers performed CPR and delivered first aid to Mr. Scott. The video shows that for several minutes after the shooting, Mr. Scott remained face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. A second officer arrives, puts on blue medical gloves and attends to Mr. Scott, but is not shown performing CPR. As sirens wail in the background, a third officer later arrives, apparently with a medical kit, but is also not seen performing CPR.

 

[Elley Mae]

High enough that they accepted the statements that they did CPR. And there has been no discussion at this
point of any investigation of them. As far as the cop being charged with murder, did he get arrested before
or after the video hit the news?

bbm, Not sure. Looks like he was on admin duty then fired. jmo

Police said Monday that Slager, who has been employed with the NCPD since December 2009 after serving in the Coast Guard, was placed on administrative duty.

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/28725...hot-killed-by-north-charleston-police-officer

 

[Gin]

I've seen a photo of them doing CPR--did someone say they didn't do CPR?

JMO--CPR really isn't possible when a gunshot victim is left laying face down, hands cuffed behind their back.
Maybe they made a brief "attempt" at CPR much later, could you post a link? Thanks.

 

[SeeAlice]

bbm, Not sure. Looks like he was on admin duty then fired. jmo

Police said Monday that Slager, who has been employed with the NCPD since December 2009 after serving in the Coast Guard, was placed on administrative duty.

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/28725...hot-killed-by-north-charleston-police-officer

Arrested April 7 per SLED press release.

 

[Sonya610]

I am not seeing any signs of a scuffle,

At least two witnesses said their was a scuffle (including the guy that took the video). Also there is a grainy portion of the video that appears to show the two on the ground and then one stands up.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

There is a portion of the interaction between Mr. Scott and the officer that is not captured on film.

Film #1 - By police car webcam. Shows there is no lighted tail light visible on left rear of Scott vehicle when he comes to a stop in front of the police car. Officer taps the tail light area with his hand as he approaches the driver side of the car.

A passenger can be seen inside the Scott vehicle. Mr. Scott begins to exit vehicle once and is directed by officer to get back into the vehicle. He does. Then, just a little later, Mr. Scott exits the vehicle, running away from the car. Then you can hear officer running after him, shouting something about tazing.

Film #2 - Bystander film This film picks up AFTER the bystander has seen Mr. Scott on the ground with the police officer over him. This event was not filmed. The film begins with Mr. Scott running away from the officer and captures the shooting of Mr. Scott.

So the very important - probably essential - part of the interaction between the two was NOT filmed.

I too do not have any great amount of sympathy for Mr. Scott. IMO he contributed to his own death by twice fleeing from police. Once AFTER being tazered.

What should the officer have done in the circumstance? Let the guy get away?

You have a situation where a guy is pulled over, he has no paperwork on the car, says he just bought it and then changes the story to "I'm going to buy it on Monday". Of course the cop suspects it is a stolen vehicle. Cop is checking out the driver and the vehicle when Scott flees. Did the cop already learn Scott had warrants? If so, are we sure they were only for non-payment of child support? Did the cop learn that the vehicle was indeed listed as being stolen? Or that it was unregistered?

So Scott is fleeing, cop tazers him and Scott goes down onto ground. Officer is over Scott and it appears to bystander that officer "has things under control". Then SOMETHING happens that allows Scott to get up and flee once again. WHAT happened? Nothing? Nothing at all? It just does not make sense that Scott got away from that situation without SOMETHING taking place.

What if the officer was telling the truth, that Scott DID "go for his tazer"? Or even if not, Scott was up and once again fleeing. What was the officer to do then? Let him get away?

I will say, I do not understand all of the parameters the various police departments are under as to who they can shoot and who they can't. But I do think there are damn good reasons wise parents instruct their children not to EVER run from the police.

And the "he didn't like police" and "he didn't want to go to jail for not paying child support" is surely not a very good excuse for what Scott did.

Yes, the bystander film is dramatic, but it does not tell the full story.

 

[Gin]

There is a portion of the interaction between Mr. Scott and the officer that is not captured on film.

Film #1 - By police car webcam. Shows there is no lighted tail light visible on left rear of Scott vehicle when he comes to a stop in front of the police car. Officer taps the tail light area with his hand as he approaches the driver side of the car.

A passenger can be seen inside the Scott vehicle. Mr. Scott begins to exit vehicle once and is directed by officer to get back into the vehicle. He does. Then, just a little later, Mr. Scott exits the vehicle, running away from the car. Then you can hear officer running after him, shouting something about tazing.

Film #2 - Bystander film This film picks up AFTER the bystander has seen Mr. Scott on the ground with the police officer over him. This event was not filmed. The film begins with Mr. Scott running away from the officer and captures the shooting of Mr. Scott.

So the very important - probably essential - part of the interaction between the two was NOT filmed.

I too do not have any great amount of sympathy for Mr. Scott. IMO he contributed to his own death by twice fleeing from police. Once AFTER being tazered.

What should the officer have done in the circumstance? Let the guy get away?

You have a situation where a guy is pulled over, he has no paperwork on the car, says he just bought it and then changes the story to "I'm going to buy it on Monday". Of course the cop suspects it is a stolen vehicle. Cop is checking out the driver and the vehicle when Scott flees. Did the cop already learn Scott had warrants? If so, are we sure they were only for non-payment of child support? Did the cop learn that the vehicle was indeed listed as being stolen? Or that it was unregistered?

So Scott is fleeing, cop tazers him and Scott goes down onto ground. Officer is over Scott and it appears to bystander that officer "has things under control". Then SOMETHING happens that allows Scott to get up and flee once again. WHAT happened? Nothing? Nothing at all? It just does not make sense that Scott got away from that situation without SOMETHING taking place.

What if the officer was telling the truth, that Scott DID "go for his tazer"? Or even if not, Scott was up and once again fleeing. What was the officer to do then? Let him get away?

I will say, I do not understand all of the parameters the various police departments are under as to who they can shoot and who they can't. But I do think there are damn good reasons wise parents instruct their children not to EVER run from the police.

And the "he didn't like police" and "he didn't want to go to jail for not paying child support" is surely not a very good excuse for what Scott did.

Yes, the bystander film is dramatic, but it does not tell the full story.

JMO-The justification for using a gun and shooting a suspect 8 times would be the officer was in fear for his life. It's hard to meet that bar when the suspect is running away and all the bullets are aimed at the suspect's back.

I'm not excusing what Scott did. I just don't think it should have earned him the death penalty.

In my personal opinion, the officer made a few serious errors, as well. He shot and killed someone who was running away, then he carefully crafted a story to fit his scenario of what happened in his call to dispatch and the report. Beyond that, it sure appears he staged the scene to help sell it. And then there is the whole basically stand by and watch the suspect die issue. Did anyone give CPR? Maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't appear that it was done in any kind of a timely manner if it was. There were a few of them involved with that.

I don't believe the takeaway from all this is never run from police, always comply, comply, comply. Some are going to be very fearful that a bad officer will be willing to lie and stage a scene to attempt to guarantee a conviction. That is not a good thing. We have to be better than this.

 

[Woodland]

Wow, post of the day imo Gin.

I can't understand either how LE can shoot anyone at will, and in the back no less. The cover up says even LE knows it's not OK - just that they will get away with it. Pandering to them only makes it worse.

People are going to run from cops - everyday, everywhere. Deal with it - in a nonlethal manner, it's part of what to expect. Geeez.

 

[Tawny]

I would rather a man guilty of car theft "get away" than risk relatively innocent people being shot by police because they ran out of fear or something.

Car theft isn't a death penalty offense. Running away from LE is not a death penalty offense. That's what warrants are for. You chase them until you capture them or they get away again and then you chase them the next time. It's frustrating and annoying and if you have a warrant out for your arrest, you should comply or even better, turn yourself in. But shooting someone who has a warrant out for child support non-payment? Well that kid ain't ever getting that child support now is s/he? Really counter productive to getting those payments.

Let's not shoot UNARMED people just for running away. Outrun them. Call for backup. Search for them. Do. Not. Shoot. Them. 8. Times. In. The. Back.

 

[Sonya610]

There is a portion of the interaction between Mr. Scott and the officer that is not captured on film.

I think the scuffle is on film it was just taken from far away and it is very difficult to make anything out.

One of the news discussions had a guy analyzing the video and he said it looked like two guys on the ground, and then one stands up.

 

[lonetraveler]

JMO--CPR really isn't possible when a gunshot victim is left laying face down, hands cuffed behind their back.
Maybe they made a brief "attempt" at CPR much later, could you post a link? Thanks.

ITA, putting on gloves and checking pulse does not equate to giving medical aid.

 

[MsFacetious]

But who runs away from a police officer after they have already been tasered?

sbm

A lot of people do.
It is instinct to run from pain.
It is instinct to have a fight or flight response to a taser.

If you RUN from a taser the pain will stop faster.
If you remain there the pain continues.
Running from a taser can be a human instinct, fight or flight response. :twocents:

 

[dodie20]

I would rather a man guilty of car theft "get away" than risk relatively innocent people being shot by police because they ran out of fear or something.

Car theft isn't a death penalty offense. Running away from LE is not a death penalty offense. That's what warrants are for. You chase them until you capture them or they get away again and then you chase them the next time. It's frustrating and annoying and if you have a warrant out for your arrest, you should comply or even better, turn yourself in. But shooting someone who has a warrant out for child support non-payment? Well that kid ain't ever getting that child support now is s/he? Really counter productive to getting those payments.

Let's not shoot UNARMED people just for running away. Outrun them. Call for backup. Search for them. Do. Not. Shoot. Them. 8. Times. In. The. Back.

I've been reading a lot of comments about the what ifs...like, what if Scott had gotten away and taken a hostage or killed somebody? so the cop, worried about all the what ifs, thought shooting this man was a good thing and he was just trying to protect the public. Maybe a jury will buy it. But how will he explain his initial report? and the black thing that made it from here to there? or will explaining not be necessary since his heart was in the right place? So, cops should just assume that anybody who runs, should be executed, because of all the what ifs? 8 bullets to the back . That's what they get for running? I mean, it's not like this cop had his name or address or car and could pick him up later. The suspect could have run away, created a new identity, to never be seen again. good grief. Suspects run and cops pick them up later all the time. It's part of the job. Cops don't kill people for busted taillights or for child support warrants. And as far as Scott owing child support, well who's going to pay Slager's child support? The city's picking up the tab now, but for how long? moo

 

[dodie20]

Wow, post of the day imo Gin.

I can't understand either how LE can shoot anyone at will, and in the back no less. The cover up says even LE knows it's not OK - just that they will get away with it. Pandering to them only makes it worse.

People are going to run from cops - everyday, everywhere. Deal with it - in a nonlethal manner, it's part of what to expect. Geeez.

I don't think people realize how common it is for people to run from cops. They see the cops show up at a party or club, and they scatter. They get pulled over and realize they have a warrant and will go to jail, and boom! they get a trapped feeling and before they even realize they are going to run, they run! Cops are used to this. They are trained to deal with it. It's not uncommon and really, no big deal. moo

 

[LaLaw2000]

I've seen a photo of them doing CPR--did someone say they didn't do CPR?

I'm breaking my own rule about not posting in this thread. There was Slager standing by Scott's body when the second officer comes up. The second officer has gloves on but is not administering CPR. He is searching Scott. The second officer walks away. Then you see (2) paramedics come up and you see where Scott's shirt is cut off and they are administering aid to him. Scott's gunshot wounds were in his back (and buttocks) so there was no need to turn him over. Neither Slager nor the second officer onscene attempted CPR. Slager felt for a pulse in Scott's carotid artery. That was it.

*This is not directed to you, SStar33, but I do wish MSM would bother to get the facts straight. When watching the dashcam video, you can clearly see the red part of the left rear tail light is not working just before Slager stops Scott. Slager approaches the driver side door and tells Scott the brake light is out and asks for paperwork (license, registration, proof of insurance). Not BROKEN as MSM (and others) has repeatedly reported. A man was murdered, an LE officer did it and the least MSM could do is get the facts straight, IMO.

I am not defending Slager because he clearly murdered Scott. There is no excuse for it. Slager is where he should be.............in jail on a murder charge.

MOO

 

[SeeAlice]

Wow, post of the day imo Gin.

I can't understand either how LE can shoot anyone at will, and in the back no less. The cover up says even LE knows it's not OK - just that they will get away with it. Pandering to them only makes it worse.

People are going to run from cops - everyday, everywhere. Deal with it - in a nonlethal manner, it's part of what to expect. Geeez.

Where has there been a coverup, in your opinion?

 

[Tawny]

It absolutely kills me that he was pulled over in an Auto Zone parking lot.

"Your tail light is out, if you go in and buy one, I won't give you a ticket for it."

SOLVED!

 

[vlpate]

I think he would still run the license because Walter had no insurance or registration for the car.