Identified! SC - Yemassee, BlkFem 28-35, 347UFSC, scars - thyroid, c-section & hysterectomy, May'95 *GRAPHIC* - Maria Telles-Gonzalez

[reasypeasy]

This one has some similarities.
The match would require the truck driver who saw her in November 1995 to be mistaken or telling lies to cover for someone.

Sybil Ramona Warren
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/158dfnc.html

 

[webrocket]

I looked at the picture and saw the article about the DNA and I'd have to say that she is probably from one of four countries originally - Cuba (they have a significant Afro-Cuban minority), Dominican Republic, Venezuela or Panama.

I would think, however, that the Cuban community would be more likely to report one of their own missing than some of the others which have higher proportions of illegal immigrants and therefore more likely not to get involved with law enforcement.

 

[belfastgirl73]

Wow I can definitely see a facial resemblance to Sybil Ramona Warren Reasypeasy! I wonder has she been ruled out?

MOO

 

[webrocket]

both Sybil and the UID's DNA are in codis so they would have produced a match if they were one in the same.

 

[Reannan]

Why is this Jane Doe not in NAMUS???

 

[Ambercat]

I looked at the picture and saw the article about the DNA and I'd have to say that she is probably from one of four countries originally - Cuba (they have a significant Afro-Cuban minority), Dominican Republic, Venezuela or Panama.

I would think, however, that the Cuban community would be more likely to report one of their own missing than some of the others which have higher proportions of illegal immigrants and therefore more likely not to get involved with law enforcement.

She looks like she might be from the Dominican Republic to me, but I could be wrong.

 

[traacker13]

CarlK posted a photo of a new MP in Namus from Michigan and I instantly thought of this UID. Thank you, Carl!!!

Some of the information is off but it would the distance between the places would be somewhat consistent with Kent County, Michigan being a 15 or so hour drive to Yemassee, SC.

What do you think?

Kathleen Dennis:

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14696/9

 

[CarlK90245]

They do look quite similar. Their facial shapes are identical.

But I do see differences. The bottoms of their noses around the nostrils are shaped differently, and the bridge of Cotton Hall Jane Doe's nose is more pronounced. And there is a distinct groove on CHJD's forehead from the metopic cranial suture that you don't see on Katherine.

CHJD also has much fewer blemishes around her mouth, though that photo appears to have been cleaned up quite a bit. They might have photoshopped out the blemishes.

 

[traacker13]

They do look quite similar. Their facial shapes are identical.

But I do see differences. The bottoms of their noses around the nostrils are shaped differently, and the bridge of Cotton Hall Jane Doe's nose is more pronounced. And there is a distinct groove on CHJD's forehead from the metopic cranial suture that you don't see on Katherine.

CHJD also has much fewer blemishes around her mouth, though that photo appears to have been cleaned up quite a bit. They might have photoshopped out the blemishes.

Thank you for taking a look at them. They do appear eerily similar but now that you mention it, I do notice the differences in the nose...

 

[Ambercat]

Catheryn Flores was recently listed on NamUs. She is about the same height and weight as the UID, a bit older than the age estimate. She has had Thyroidectomy like the UID and has two daughters (I'm not sure if they were delivered by C-section).

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/15184/35

 

[CarlK90245]

Catheryn Flores was recently listed on NamUs. She is about the same height and weight as the UID, a bit older than the age estimate. She has had Thyroidectomy like the UID and has two daughters (I'm not sure if they were delivered by C-section).

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/15184/35

I was looking at Catheryn against the Cotton Hall Jane Doe this morning. I passed on it though. Catheryn has a much broader nose.

 

[belfastgirl73]

Kathleen Dennis looks very like this Jane Doe to me! Obviously the postmortem pics have been photoshopped and the angles are different so not sure I would rule out entirely based on a few small differences. :moo:

 

[Swamp Fox Trot]

Might be a political killing, either pro or anti Castro Cuban. By the way, did you know that when mobster Jon Roberts fled NYC for Miami in 1974, he drove the whole thing at once? He stopped at a rest stop in the Carolinas, about halfway through what must have been a 24-hour drive on I-95. So, 12 hours from SC is NY, NJ, Miami and the organized crime activity therein.

 

[Swamp Fox Trot]

They do look quite similar. Their facial shapes are identical.

But I do see differences. The bottoms of their noses around the nostrils are shaped differently, and the bridge of Cotton Hall Jane Doe's nose is more pronounced. And there is a distinct groove on CHJD's forehead from the metopic cranial suture that you don't see on Katherine.

CHJD also has much fewer blemishes around her mouth, though that photo appears to have been cleaned up quite a bit. They might have photoshopped out the blemishes.

If you look at the inset picture of the earrings in the poster, you can see CHJD appears to have a blemish (or bruise?): http://www.bcso.net/Cold_Cases/UnidentifiedFemale_CottonHallRd_5-24-1995.pdf


Also, isn't there something really strange about the little flap of cartilage between the ear opening and the temple? As if it had been snipped in half at one point?

 

[carbuff]

If you look at the inset picture of the earrings in the poster, you can see CHJD appears to have a blemish (or bruise?): http://www.bcso.net/Cold_Cases/UnidentifiedFemale_CottonHallRd_5-24-1995.pdf


Also, isn't there something really strange about the little flap of cartilage between the ear opening and the temple? As if it had been snipped in half at one point?

It's certainly unusual. I can't tell whether the cartilage was snipped or if it just has a very unique shape.

Nice catch!

 

[tatertot]

She now has a NamUs profile, with no ruleouts listed yet:

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/12887

 

[Migmuu]

She looks a lot like my older cousin Quisqueya, especially in the last two reconstructions on Doe Network. Her mother is white (Spaniard) and her father was Dominican (mostly black, but he had some Hispanic in him too). It's like they could be sisters or something.

I'm a little biased because of my cousin's ancestry and how similar she looks to the UP, but I really do think that there's a very good chance this woman was from the Caribbean or one of the many Latin American countries with a large mulatto (biracial) population. That would include the Dominican Republic, Brazil, Cuba, Colombia, and Haiti.

Also, does anyone else think she could be younger than NamUs's 28 - 35 age estimate? She looks older from the side but, in the first NamUs picture and the 3rd and 4th pictures (the reconstructions) on Doe Network, she looks like she could be as young as 22 or 23.

 

[vermontaigne]

Certainly possible, but why not Gullah/Geechee?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Very Dominican looking to me, and so very beautiful. A tragic and lovely Angel. RIP. Most likely undocumented.

 

[Snufamonbobball]

Interesting side note- there had been a bit of debate from time to time about post mortem changes and eye color (not specific to this case)- in the physical characteristics of this Jane doe it is noted that her eye color is brown, but that eye color CAN change post mortem. Just an interesting side note about a topic that had come up before in other cases, although I would bet it is more frequent with green/ brown/ hazel rather than blue vs brown.