School Bus making stops at McDonalds on way to school?

[CyberLaw]

I guess a child could find another sandwich, say a cheap jam sandwich, or a slice of cheese(you know those packages that have 16, 24 slices)instead of possibly risking the life of another child, or possibly leading to the death of another child.

One child gets to eat a peanut butter sandwich and live, the other child never gets to eat again and dies.

One parents gets to spends all the time they want with their child and watch them grown up, the other parents "think" about what may have been, never to see their child grow up.

One parents spends Sunday in Church, the other family spends the day at the gravsite.

One parents takes their kids to the park to have a great fun as a family, the other parents go to the park, to watch the other kids, and say to themselves, ""Remember when she was alive, she used to love this park, we had great fun as a family".

One family has a child, but not a lot of money, the other family has money, but buried their child.

You see death is permanent..............hunger is just until you get home from school and get that snack or dinner. One is uncomfortable and temporary, the other one is everlasting and forever. For all of eternity...........

All for a peanut butter sandwich...........

What does the parents of the peanut butter sandwich child say to the other parents. Opps, sorry, did not mean to kill you child, but you see we are poor and the Peanut Butter sandwich was all we could afford.

The parents of the child would say: Your child is alive and eats, plays, goes to shows, movies, sleepovers, friends houses, sports, is going to date, go to the Prom, get married, have kids, give you grandkids.

My child will forever be 9, all because YOU sent YOUR child to school with a peanut butter sandwich...........and my child died.

Please.........

 

[vanillasky]

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Beautifully stated, CyberLaw. Thank you.

 

[Mabel]

I don't think it's that black and white....if your kid eats a peanut butter sandwich, my kid will die. Peanut butter is a staple for kids, it's not as if we're discussing something unusual like avocado sandwiches. If one or two kids are that severly allergic, they need to eat in a separate room. They won't be able to control the eating habits of people around them forever and peanut oil hides in a lot of other foods. It's not fair to put the responsibility for one child's death on another child who was simply eating his lunch.

 

[jannuncutt]

I guess a child could find another sandwich, say a cheap jam sandwich, or a slice of cheese(you know those packages that have 16, 24 slices)instead of possibly risking the life of another child, or possibly leading to the death of another child.

One child gets to eat a peanut butter sandwich and live, the other child never gets to eat again and dies.

One parents gets to spends all the time they want with their child and watch them grown up, the other parents "think" about what may have been, never to see their child grow up.

One parents spends Sunday in Church, the other family spends the day at the gravsite.

One parents takes their kids to the park to have a great fun as a family, the other parents go to the park, to watch the other kids, and say to themselves, ""Remember when she was alive, she used to love this park, we had great fun as a family".

One family has a child, but not a lot of money, the other family has money, but buried their child.

You see death is permanent..............hunger is just until you get home from school and get that snack or dinner. One is uncomfortable and temporary, the other one is everlasting and forever. For all of eternity...........

All for a peanut butter sandwich...........

What does the parents of the peanut butter sandwich child say to the other parents. Opps, sorry, did not mean to kill you child, but you see we are poor and the Peanut Butter sandwich was all we could afford.

The parents of the child would say: Your child is alive and eats, plays, goes to shows, movies, sleepovers, friends houses, sports, is going to date, go to the Prom, get married, have kids, give you grandkids.

My child will forever be 9, all because YOU sent YOUR child to school with a peanut butter sandwich...........and my child died.

Please.........

Cyber.......Wow............it really is that simple, isn't it? :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[vanillasky]

That's correct - eating habits of others around them can't be controlled forever - but when they can be controlled by a school taking a proactive stance, then why wouldn't we want to grant this in order for these children to be able to have as normal a childhood as possible?

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's correct - eating habits of others around them can't be controlled forever - but when they can be controlled by a school taking a proactive stance, then why wouldn't we want to grant this in order for these children to be able to have as normal a childhood as possible?

IMO It's the allergic child's parents who need to be proactive and responsible for these kids!

I also have an acquaintance whose son has a peanut allergy, she too wants the entire world to ban peanuts. Once, before she came to visit she called to instruct me to scrub down my kitchen and remove all peanut products from my home to the garage! I told her to stay home I'd be sure to shower and was more than willing to visit her at HER house!

 

[Mabel]

That's correct - eating habits of others around them can't be controlled forever - but when they can be controlled by a school taking a proactive stance, then why wouldn't we want to grant this in order for these children to be able to have as normal a childhood as possible?

How normal is it to teach a child that he/she has the ability to control the actions of a whole institution? If it were my child with the allergy, I would ask that his lunch not be kept near the other children's lunches and that he be allowed to eat in a separate room. I wouldn't expect hundreds of people to change their ways in order to accomodate him.

 

[Linda7NJ]

How normal is it to teach a child that he/she has the ability to control the actions of a whole institution? If it were my child with the allergy, I would ask that his lunch not be kept near the other children's lunches and that he be allowed to eat in a separate room. I wouldn't expect hundreds of people to change their ways in order to accomodate him.

LOGIC and RESPONSIBLE THINKING!

I LOVE IT!:dance: :dance: :clap: :clap:

 

[vanillasky]

IMO It's the allergic child's parents who need to be proactive and responsible for these kids!

I also have an acquaintance whose son has a peanut allergy, she too wants the entire world to ban peanuts. Once, before she came to visit she called to instruct me to scrub down my kitchen and remove all peanut products from my home to the garage! I told her to stay home I'd be sure to shower and was more than willing to visit her at HER house!

The parents are being proactive and responsible, that's why they're requesting the school to become peanut free. The parent can't go to school with the child, so having a peanut free school is really the only solution, other than keeping the child home and home schooling. (Which maybe they should do, since it seems most parents are unwilling to sacrifice a peanut butter sandwich for their own children) I cannot say I blame your acquaintance for asking you to scrub your kitchen, as the tiniest amount can cause a fatal reaction. People might look at this a little differently if they had a child with this terrible allergy.

 

[vanillasky]

How normal is it to teach a child that he/she has the ability to control the actions of a whole institution? If it were my child with the allergy, I would ask that his lunch not be kept near the other children's lunches and that he be allowed to eat in a separate room. I wouldn't expect hundreds of people to change their ways in order to accomodate him.

It's really not that simple. So, let's say there's no peanut ban, and the child is:

1. made to be an outcast by having to sit in a separate lunch area. (And we all know how mean children can be)

2. other children eat peanut butter for lunch, don't wash their hands, touch their desks, doors, etc... the allergic child touches the door or desk - and bam - an allergic reaction possibly resulting in death.


eta: But, maybe my thinking is way offbase, and we should make lepers of children with handicaps & severe allergies as to not inconvenience other children.

 

[jannuncutt]

How normal is it to teach a child that he/she has the ability to control the actions of a whole institution? If it were my child with the allergy, I would ask that his lunch not be kept near the other children's lunches and that he be allowed to eat in a separate room. I wouldn't expect hundreds of people to change their ways in order to accomodate him.

I think that the point is that we are talking about children - not adults. As these children mature, they will understand and be more responsible regarding their allergy. In the meantime, the choice of whether or not to have a peanut butter sandwich for lunch at school should not outweigh the possible loss of life of a little classmate.

 

[Mabel]

It's really not that simple. So, let's say there's no peanut ban, and the child is:

1. made to be an outcast by having to sit in a separate lunch area. (And we all know how mean children can be)

2. other children eat peanut butter for lunch, don't wash their hands, touch their desks, doors, etc... the allergic child touches the door or desk - and bam - an allergic reaction possibly resulting in death.


eta: But, maybe my thinking is way offbase, and we should make lepers of children with handicaps & severe allergies as to not inconvenience other children.

Or 3) A non-allergic child innocently eats a Little Debbie snack cake for dessert without knowing that it contains peanut oil, causing a fatal reaction in the child sitting next to him. Then he suffers for the remainder of his life believing he was responsible for another person's death.

Unfortunately, special accomodations have to be made for the few children who are that allergic, the same as they are for other children with disabilities or other medical conditions. In a perfect world, this wouldn't be an issue, but that isn't reality. Should we put all children in wheelchairs so the disabled children don't feel singled out? Make all kids wear glasses so no one gets called four eyes? If one child has to wear an insulin pump, should we make all the kids wear one? Banning all peanut products because of one particular student singles him out too.

 

[Mabel]

Another thought - banning peanut products and the foods they hide in leaves the responsibility for the allergic child's life in the hands of other parents who are probably not as aware or diligent in watching for those ingredients. I wouldn't put my child's life in the hands of other less informed parents. No way.

 

[mindi77]

While I understand that hungar is alot different then death some kids only source of food may be only peanut butter. I don't know how many stories of children are starved to death on here but there are alot so to say that they will eat again may not be true. As for a jam sandwich...no thanks that is gross. If it is such a concern which I understand that it is then I guess the parents should home school them. Because it is sad and unfortunate that some children have a peanut allergy and could die by just being around it, why not go to the school and have an assembly telling the staff and students and parents and then possible people will not send them. But to say no it is off limits.

If a kid showed up at a school that bans peanut butter...what happens? Do they take it and give them something else? Do they suspend him? He should have brought a cheese snadwich, but maybe he doesn't have cheese or jelly. I wouldn't want my kid to not be able to eat and if I was the other childs parents then I wouldn't want my child to die either. There should be a compromise to the situation. Take the kids that bring in peanut butter and have them in a room and make sure they only take food in and wash up after wards.

So everything that could potentially kill someone should be banned? If someone was deathly allergic to milk then no one else should be able to drink it. I would talk to the school, parents and teacher and see what we could do.

My cousin's son has a peanut allergy and she lets the school know and talks to the parents and tells her son.

I am not trying to be insensitive but there are lots of things that can kill children.... that have no effect on others but the places shouldn't ban them people need to know and understand them.
They need to know that it is not ok for so and so to eat peanut butter....that it isn't something that they don't like or that they might get hives they need to know that death is pretty much the outcome.

Inform and keep informing even if you drive people nuts.

 

[Linda7NJ]

But are peanut bans the best way to protect peanut-allergic kids? No, says the Food Allergy Network (FAN), an advocacy group that serves as a resource for people with food allergies. According to FAN, food bans lull allergy sufferers into a false sense of security with the perception that "someone else is taking care of the problem." A ban on peanut butter in the lunchroom discounts the risk of contact through foods brought in for classroom parties or sold at bake sales. Relying on other people to screen all food products for offending ingredients is an unrealistic expectation and increases the odds of an accidental exposure.

FAN advocates believe that the key to successful management of a peanut allergy is education. Parents should teach kids early to look carefully before they eat anything offered outside of the home. School administrators and teachers should be briefed on what foods cause the allergic reaction, what should be done in case of accidental exposure to the allergen, and where any required medical supplies needed to treat an allergy attack are stored. Schools could further help all allergy-prone kids by instituting a "no food trading" policy, and by setting aside a "peanut-free" area of the lunchroom.

http://www.stjohn.org/healthinfolib/hgArticle.aspx?DocID=/healthy/eating/1999/peanuts/index

Education and communication are the keys to managing peanut allergy not fear and hysteria.

 

[mindi77]

But are peanut bans the best way to protect peanut-allergic kids? No, says the Food Allergy Network (FAN), an advocacy group that serves as a resource for people with food allergies. According to FAN, food bans lull allergy sufferers into a false sense of security with the perception that "someone else is taking care of the problem." A ban on peanut butter in the lunchroom discounts the risk of contact through foods brought in for classroom parties or sold at bake sales. Relying on other people to screen all food products for offending ingredients is an unrealistic expectation and increases the odds of an accidental exposure.

FAN advocates believe that the key to successful management of a peanut allergy is education. Parents should teach kids early to look carefully before they eat anything offered outside of the home. School administrators and teachers should be briefed on what foods cause the allergic reaction, what should be done in case of accidental exposure to the allergen, and where any required medical supplies needed to treat an allergy attack are stored. Schools could further help all allergy-prone kids by instituting a "no food trading" policy, and by setting aside a "peanut-free" area of the lunchroom.

http://www.stjohn.org/healthinfolib/hgArticle.aspx?DocID=/healthy/eating/1999/peanuts/index

Education and communication are the keys to managing peanut allergy not fear and hysteria.

That sounds acceptable

 

[jannuncutt]

That sounds acceptable

Yes, it does.

 

[Mabel]

But are peanut bans the best way to protect peanut-allergic kids? No, says the Food Allergy Network (FAN), an advocacy group that serves as a resource for people with food allergies. According to FAN, food bans lull allergy sufferers into a false sense of security with the perception that "someone else is taking care of the problem." A ban on peanut butter in the lunchroom discounts the risk of contact through foods brought in for classroom parties or sold at bake sales. Relying on other people to screen all food products for offending ingredients is an unrealistic expectation and increases the odds of an accidental exposure.

FAN advocates believe that the key to successful management of a peanut allergy is education. Parents should teach kids early to look carefully before they eat anything offered outside of the home. School administrators and teachers should be briefed on what foods cause the allergic reaction, what should be done in case of accidental exposure to the allergen, and where any required medical supplies needed to treat an allergy attack are stored. Schools could further help all allergy-prone kids by instituting a "no food trading" policy, and by setting aside a "peanut-free" area of the lunchroom.

http://www.stjohn.org/healthinfolib/hgArticle.aspx?DocID=/healthy/eating/1999/peanuts/index

Education and communication are the keys to managing peanut allergy not fear and hysteria.

That, in much better words, is what I was trying to say a few posts ago.

Thanks for finding this, Linda.

 

[Hbgchick]

Mabel and Linda7NJ - Where the heck were you guys yesterday! Lol. Seriously, that's what I was trying to say too...I was starting to think I was crazy! Thanks for reinforcing my opinion.

 

[Mabel]

Mabel and Linda7NJ - Where the heck were you guys yesterday! Lol. Seriously, that's what I was trying to say too...I was starting to think I was crazy! Thanks for reinforcing my opinion.

Well, let's see. I was out doing some shopping in the early afternoon. Then I spent some time in the yard, taking down the Halloween decorations. After that.....

Oh, that's not what you meant?