scotland yard investigation

[thisiseku]

HLN just reported that the timeline for Madeleine missing is 45 minutes off. But I missed whether they said if it was 45 minutes earlier or later. :banghead: Anyone else catch that? And how could they determine that now, after all this time ? TIA

45 minutes later. From Tanner sighting at 9.15pm to the Smith's sighting at 10pm.

 

[neesaki]

HLN just reported that the timeline for Madeleine missing is 45 minutes off. But I missed whether they said if it was 45 minutes earlier or later. :banghead: Anyone else catch that? And how could they determine that now, after all this time ? TIA

Nevermind, this answers my question:

Madeleine McCann could have been abducted up to 45 minutes later than thought, after detectives had a “revelation moment” when examining the timeline of the night she disappeared.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...uction-was-later-than-previously-thought.html

 

[Linda7NJ]

Its not that they are cold and detached, they have a typically British manner.

Brits are more restrained, stiff upper lip in public. they would show their emotions in private.

I disagree.

Kate didn't loose any sleep after a week. Never plead for her daughters return, never called out her name. Never searched. Refused reenactment participation, refused polygraphs.

While their behavior doesn't prove anything in itself... It certainly makes them suspect.




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[thisiseku]

I disagree.

Kate didn't loose any sleep after a week. Never plead for her daughters return, never called out her name. Never searched.




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Kate and Gerry didn't do anything to help. Didn't answer questions, refused lie detector test, didn't search. They only sued the ones who were against them. First time Gerry went back to Portugal after the disappearance wasn't because of Madeleine, he went there to sue someone I don't remember exactly.

 

[Cappuccino]

aust amateur slueth;9901579]

Yeah, I remember all those stiff upper lips when Diana died. No Brits weeping in the streets or conjuring up impromptu shrines. That's only us weepy Americans that do that.:seeya:

I don't believe the reaction to Diana's death had anything much in common with real grief. It was closer to mass hysteria, or to be even more blunt, bandwagon jumping attention seekers.

The grieving ones were her family, and there were no public tears from them.

 

[chlban]

Cappuccino;9901631

I don't believe the reaction to Diana's death had anything much in common with real grief. It was closer to mass hysteria, or to be even more blunt, bandwagon jumping attention seekers

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Geez, and I thought I was cynical.:scared:

At the risk of dating myself, although I was a young child at the time, I remember well the death of a young President. Mass hysteria may have been part of it, but there was genuine grief as well. Even from people who wouldn't have walked across the street to shake his hand when he was alive.

I don't believe America was a bunch of bandwagon jumping, attention seekers in 1963 , nor do I believe that of England in 1997.

Some people do mask thier grief better than others. I am one of them. I don't think it has much to do with nationality. But, mothers are mothers. :truce:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

aust amateur slueth;9901579]

Yeah, I remember all those stiff upper lips when Diana died. No Brits weeping in the streets or conjuring up impromptu shrines. That's only us weepy Americans that do that.:seeya:

sarcasm was needed?

the Brits loved Diana, people were shocked and horrified that their beautiful caring people's princess was dead.

there was a sea of flowers for her and people openly wept, they were a nation in shock.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I don't believe the reaction to Diana's death had anything much in common with real grief. It was closer to mass hysteria, or to be even more blunt, bandwagon jumping attention seekers.

The grieving ones were her family, and there were no public tears from them.

Wow just wow. I suppose those that grieved president Kennedy, or other famous people (film stars or musicians like Monroe or Elvis) were also just bandwagon jumping attention seekers too then?

ps there were plenty of tears for her family and most particular for her two little boys who had to grow up without the mother they cherished.

Cappuccino;9901631 .


Geez, and I thought I was cynical.:scared:

At the risk of dating myself, although I was a young child at the time, I remember well the death of a young President. Mass hysteria may have been part of it, but there was genuine grief as well. Even from people who wouldn't have walked across the street to shake his hand when he was alive.

I don't believe America was a bunch of bandwagon jumping, attention seekers in 1963 , nor do I believe that of England in 1997.

Some people do mask thier grief better than others. I am one of them. I don't think it has much to do with nationality. But, mothers are mothers. :truce:

lots of genuine grief the same as there is when some film stars or musicians die.

I remember the day Elvis Presley died, us kids came home to find our mother crying her eyes out. people do take some famous people into their hearts and grieve when they die.

 

[chlban]

aust amateur slueth;9901667]

sarcasm was needed

Apparently it still is.

the Brits loved Diana, people were shocked and horrified that their beautiful caring people's princess was dead.

Yes, it was apparent she was loved. She was greatly admired here as well.

So I guess your point is The Brit's clearly loved Diana, but Kate clearly did not love Maddie so much? Because, again, she showed no emotion.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Cappuccino]

Maybe I'm too cynical but I stick to my belief that very little of those cringeworthy public outpourings were real grief.

ps there were plenty of tears for her family and most particular for her two little boys who had to grow up without the mother they cherished.

You've misunderstood me. I was pointing out that it was her family - especially her two sons - who were experiencing genuine grief, not the crowds weeping and wailing. I've never seen any public tears from William or Harry.

 

[Donjeta]

Is this relevant?

The upbringing and the particular circumstances of the royal family sets them apart and I would not use their example to argue that it is or it isn't normal for the British to do something because they're nowhere near normal.

 

[Cappuccino]

Its my belief that you can't judge genuine grief by looking at the public displays in response to Diana's death either. That's no more normal or representative than the Royals.

 

[Donjeta]

No, probably not.

Anyway, I think the behavior of people involved in missing persons cases should be compared to other people involved in other missing persons cases. Diana was never missing, everybody knew that she was dead.

A missing child's parent may still hold on to hope for a long while.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

aust amateur slueth;9901667]

Apparently it still is.




Yes, it was apparent she was loved. She was greatly admired here as well.

So I guess your point is The Brit's clearly loved Diana, but Kate clearly did not love Maddie so much? Because, again, she showed no emotion.

You can't have it both ways.

I don't think you get that there is public grief for Royalty and private grief for personal events.

there is no comparison between the two events because they are not in the same realm.

 

[chlban]

And my point is that you cannot generalize an entire nation as being "stiff upper lip" types to explain a mother's lack of emotion.

Although American, born and raised, I am definitely the stiff up lip type. Without gettihg into the whole adopted child, Primal Wound argument, suffice it say I have rarely cried in front of anyone, ever. I rarely show emotion, ever. I never, in over 30 years, cried at work over anything, no matter what.

Hated weepy women in the workplace.

Until the day my ex husband called to tell me his son, not my son, his from a prior marriage to ours, a boy I never even met until he was 12, had been killed in an auto accident.

All those years of "never let them see you cry" went right out the window before I even had a chance to think it through. Again, this was not my child, it was a former stepson that I hadn't even seen in a few years and would not say I was overly close to, although obviously there was some affection for.

I don't care if the McCann's are Brittish, American or whatever. They are parents.

Kate's reaction was, IMO, suspect, for a number of reasons.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

And my point is that you cannot generalize an entire nation as being "stiff upper lip" types to explain a mother's lack of emotion.

Although American, born and raised, I am definitely the stiff up lip type. Without gettihg into the whole adopted child, Primal Wound argument, suffice it say I have rarely cried in front of anyone, ever. I rarely show emotion, ever. I never, in over 30 years, cried at work over anything, no matter what.

Hated weepy women in the workplace.

Until the day my ex husband called to tell me his son, not my son, his from a prior marriage to ours, a boy I never even met until he was 12, had been killed in an auto accident.

All those years of "never let them see you cry" went right out the window before I even had a chance to think it through. Again, this was not my child, it was a former stepson that I hadn't even seen in a few years and would not say I was overly close to, although obviously there was some affection for.

I don't care if the McCann's are Brittish, American or whatever. They are parents.

Kate's reaction was, IMO, suspect, for a number of reasons.

so we can't generalize, yet you can assume that she showed a lack of emotion and her reaction was suspect? okayyyy

IMO its quite possible that Kate was in shock and could have been sedated to keep her calm.

My experience of Brits (which includes many close and distant family members as well as friends from British backgrounds) is that many of them do have that restrained attitude or what you call lack of emotion for public consumption.

 

[chlban]

aust amateur slueth;9901809]

so we can't generalize, yet you can assume that she showed a lack of emotion and her reaction was suspect? okayyyy

IMO its quite possible that Kate was in shock and could have been sedated to keep her calm.

So, I guess she had those drugs handy because she never even called for her suddenly missing daughter, nor showed the slightest emotion.

 

[neesaki]

so we can't generalize, yet you can assume that she showed a lack of emotion and her reaction was suspect? okayyyy

IMO its quite possible that Kate was in shock and could have been sedated to keep her calm.

My experience of Brits (which includes many close and distant family members as well as friends from British backgrounds) is that many of them do have that restrained attitude or what you call lack of emotion for public consumption.

I admit that I am waiting to find out what really happened, if we ever do find out. I can't say with a great degree of conviction that I think the McCann's directly caused whatever happened to Madeleine. But I do question their veracity and find some of their behaviors and actions suspect.

That said, I think it's possible that their behavior could be due to the fact that they are responsible for what happened to Madeleine, by being bad parents and leaving their children unattended. They certainly bear tremendous guilt, and then tremendous shame and humiliation on top of that because it has been revealed to the whole world that they are terrible, neglectful, and self-centered parents, and they are aware that the whold world holds them responsible for what happened. That, and the issue that they are rather viewed by many as a pariah, and are constantly being judged and scrutinized. ETA: Also, the possibility that they aren't being honest that they were really checking on their children.

So perhaps the perceived impression of them being cold and distant is due to them just always having their guard and defenses up, thus showing little emotion. A means of protecting themselves, trying to maintain some degree of dignity, of surviving. Just trying to look at it from both sides, and :moo:

 

[neesaki]

Apparently it's taking it's toll, as Kate isn't looking too well here, imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WyJwns_MTok#t=30

 

[thenotebook]

So, I guess she had those drugs handy because she never even called for her suddenly missing daughter, nor showed the slightest emotion.

Were you there when this happened? How do you know she didn't call out her name, and how do you know she didn't show emotion or help search?!

I'm new to this case, but those seem like some pretty big generalizations you're making. I have no idea if Kate was involved or not but it's not fair to completely base her guilt on her actions (or lack there of) that no one was there to see...?!?!?