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[philamena]

Well, there is one report claiming she screamed "they've taken her", but there are several other reports saying she screamed "Madeleine is gone."

I imagine panic, fear and shock ALL played a part in her reaction.

I agree with that also IrishMist.

 

[CaliKid]

Well, there is one report claiming she screamed "they've taken her", but there are several other reports saying she screamed "Madeleine is gone."

I imagine panic, fear and shock ALL played a part in her reaction.

For the past 4½ months, the statement, "They've taken her" has been written up in numerous newspaper accounts of Madeleine's disappearance and repeated across the internet.

Doesn't it bother you that it took from early May to mid-September for the McCanns to retract it?

It is spin, no way about it.

 

[IrishMist]

For the past 4½ months, the statement, "They've taken her" has been written up in numerous newspaper accounts of Madeleine's disappearance and repeated across the internet.

Doesn't it bother you that it took from early May to mid-September for the McCanns to retract it?

It is spin, no way about it.

I don't think it was the McCann's themselves that retracted it as much as it's further reporting. I'll have to look through my links.

 

[CaliKid]

But four months? The McCanns knew what was being written about them the entire time they were in Portugal because they would frequently freak out over the UK newspaper accounts. They had to know that Kate was reported to have said, "They've taken her", but they didn't take time to set the record straight? Even though it cast the parents in a bad light and made their account of a kidnapping look suspect.

 

[IrishMist]

But four months? The McCanns knew what was being written about them the entire time they were in Portugal because they would frequently freak out over the UK newspaper accounts. They had to know that Kate was reported to have said, "They've taken her", but they didn't take time to set the record straight? Even though it cast the parents in a bad light and made their account of a kidnapping look suspect.

I can't find anything that supports your theory or mine. What I've been reading appears to be further reporting, and I haven't seen anything that shows how long the accusation has been going around.

It seems there hasn't been a lot of detail until lately, and that has been slim pickings.

 

[Barnaby]

For the past 4½ months, the statement, "They've taken her" has been written up in numerous newspaper accounts of Madeleine's disappearance and repeated across the internet.

Doesn't it bother you that it took from early May to mid-September for the McCanns to retract it?

It is spin, no way about it.

Only being retracted now that Clarence is on the job!

 

[IrishMist]

I still don't see where the McCann's have retracted this.

 

[colomom]

I still don't see where the McCann's have retracted this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=482870&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART

"The turnaround of the commonly reported assumption about what Mrs McCann said on finding Madeleine gone was part of what seemed to be a concerted effort by friends to get their "official version" into the public domain."

 

[IrishMist]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=482870&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART

"The turnaround of the commonly reported assumption about what Mrs McCann said on finding Madeleine gone was part of what seemed to be a concerted effort by friends to get their "official version" into the public domain."

That link answers both questions. Where the accusation came from, and why the McCann's have taken so long to respond. And, actually, it's not them that have responded, it is a witness.

From the above link:

"They've taken her" was the phrase police appear to have leaked to Portuguese newspapers to justify their claims that the McCanns used the kidnap scenario to shield them from suspicion.

It was one of the most damaging slurs of the last 141 days – and one that the 39-year-old GP has been unable to challenge under the silence demanded by Portugal's Secrecy of Justice laws.

And

But last night an eyewitness to events of May 3 was able to rubbish the claims.

 

[Barnaby]

That link answers both questions. Where the accusation came from, and why the McCann's have taken so long to respond. And, actually, it's not them that have responded, it is a witness.

From the above link:

"They've taken her" was the phrase police appear to have leaked to Portuguese newspapers to justify their claims that the McCanns used the kidnap scenario to shield them from suspicion.

It was one of the most damaging slurs of the last 141 days – and one that the 39-year-old GP has been unable to challenge under the silence demanded by Portugal's Secrecy of Justice laws.

And

But last night an eyewitness to events of May 3 was able to rubbish the claims.

Why did the eyewitness take so long to refute these claims? & i believe that it was actually Gerry McCanns sister who released what Kate said not the Portugese police!

 

[colomom]

That link answers both questions. Where the accusation came from, and why the McCann's have taken so long to respond. And, actually, it's not them that have responded, it is a witness.

From the above link:

"They've taken her" was the phrase police appear to have leaked to Portuguese newspapers to justify their claims that the McCanns used the kidnap scenario to shield them from suspicion.

It was one of the most damaging slurs of the last 141 days – and one that the 39-year-old GP has been unable to challenge under the silence demanded by Portugal's Secrecy of Justice laws.

And

But last night an eyewitness to events of May 3 was able to rubbish the claims.

I see. And in this case an "unnamed witness" is perfectly acceptable when disputing the original report by Trish Cameron of what Kate said but on the other thread a "source" is not acceptable for what Gerry said about the "abductor" being in the apartment....is that right?

 

[IrishMist]

I see. And in this case an "unnamed witness" is perfectly acceptable when disputing the original report by Trish Cameron of what Kate said but on the other thread a "source" is not acceptable for what Gerry said about the "abductor" being in the apartment....is that right?

The claim made was that the McCann's retracted the statement, my point was that no, they didn't.

Your link showed that the police leaked this statement. I think they leaked lies in order to make the McCann's crack.

Your link also showed why the McCann's didn't respond to this unfair accusation. They aren't allowed to!

 

[colomom]

The claim made was that the McCann's retracted the statement, my point was that no, they didn't.

Your link showed that the police leaked this statement. I think they leaked lies in order to make the McCann's crack.

Your link also showed why the McCann's didn't respond to this unfair accusation. They aren't allowed to!

I am sorry, I honestly am trying very hard to keep up....I am jumping from thread to thread and having a very difficult time keeping track of it all. Seriously, it is getting very hard on my brain....

Please just ignore me...I am going away now.....

 

[IrishMist]

I am sorry, I honestly am trying very hard to keep up....I am jumping from thread to thread and having a very difficult time keeping track of it all. Seriously, it is getting very hard on my brain....

Please just ignore me...I am going away now.....

LOL!! It does start bruising the brain when you're tracking a bunch of threads, doesn't it?

 

[blaize]

Thought this was pertinent to the search issue.

[Source]

A private security firm has been secretly investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for four months because her parents feared that Portuguese police were failing properly to search for their daughter.

Control Risks Group (CRG) is believed to have been checking reported sightings of Madeleine from around the world and building up profiles of likely abductors.

Kate and Gerry McCann turned to the company, which employs former members of the intelligence services and special forces, after becoming concerned that officers in the Algarve assumed their daughter was dead.

More at the link above.

 

[Shazza]

Thought this was pertinent to the search issue.

[Source]

A private security firm has been secretly investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for four months because her parents feared that Portuguese police were failing properly to search for their daughter.

Control Risks Group (CRG) is believed to have been checking reported sightings of Madeleine from around the world and building up profiles of likely abductors.

Kate and Gerry McCann turned to the company, which employs former members of the intelligence services and special forces, after becoming concerned that officers in the Algarve assumed their daughter was dead.

More at the link above.

It still took Gerry 3 weeks after Madelaines disappearance to get this security firm to investigate because of the McCanns distrust with the P LE, why are we hearing about it now, apparently it is against Portugese law to hire private investigators, why is it allowed now. This to me is another statement to make the McCanns look good, if true, well that is really great but if it is a publicity stunt to take the heat of them, btw that is the way I am leaning, then I am absolutely disgusted.

 

[blaize]

It still took Gerry 3 weeks after Madelaines disappearance to get this security firm to investigate because of the McCanns distrust with the P LE, why are we hearing about it now, apparently it is against Portugese law to hire private investigators, why is it allowed now. This to me is another statement to make the McCanns look good, if true, well that is really great but if it is a publicity stunt to take the heat of them, btw that is the way I am leaning, then I am absolutely disgusted.

Hey Shazza,

As far as I understand it's still not allowed in Portugal, but the PI's seem to be investigating outside of Portugese jurisdiction. The quote below from the same source article also touches on why they hired the PI's three weeks after Madeleine's disappearance.

Control Risks Group (CRG) is believed to have been checking reported sightings of Madeleine from around the world and building up profiles of likely abductors.

Kate and Gerry McCann turned to the company, which employs former members of the intelligence services and special forces, after becoming concerned that officers in the Algarve assumed their daughter was dead.

 

[Shazza]

Hey Shazza,

As far as I understand it's still not allowed in Portugal, but the PI's seem to be investigating outside of Portugese jurisdiction. The quote below from the same source article also touches on why they hired the PI's three weeks after Madeleine's disappearance.

The P LE assumed their daughter was dead because of the cadaver dogs and DNA found, which I still dont think we have been told all they have found out, as at the moment the case is in the hands of prosecutors.

 

[blaize]

The P LE assumed their daughter was dead because of the cadaver dogs and DNA found, which I still dont think we have been told all they have found out, as at the moment the case is in the hands of prosecutors.

That's exactly what was leaked but now it's looking like the Forensic Science Service (FSS) in Birmingham have chastised the Portugeuse LE for widely misusing their findings and the FSS had criticised detectives for overplaying the results and leaking information to the Portuguese media.

[Source]

British scientists say Portuguese police 'twisted' McCann evidence
Last updated at 00:27am on 24th September 2007

British scientists have sent Portuguese police an email complaining that their laboratory findings have been "wildly misused".

The Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, who carried out tests on the McCanns' holiday apartment and hire car, criticised detectives for overplaying evidence suggesting Madeleine's DNA had been found in the Renault Scenic which the couple hired 24 days after their daughter disappeared.

They were particularly upset at the way Portuguese police interpreted "inconclusive" forensic evidence and decided the little girl's body could have been transported in the car's boot.

Traces of Madeleine's blood, hair and bodily fluids were reportedly found in the car, but the McCanns have said there is nothing that does not have an innocent explanation.

Yesterday a police source in the Algarve admitted that the DNA traces were insufficient to prove a crime.

'We cannot state with certainty she was there,' said the source.

 

[Shazza]

That's exactly what was leaked but now it's looking like the Forensic Science Service (FSS) in Birmingham have chastised the Portugeuse LE for widely misusing their findings and the FSS had criticised detectives for overplaying the results and leaking information to the Portuguese media.

[Source]

British scientists say Portuguese police 'twisted' McCann evidence
Last updated at 00:27am on 24th September 2007

British scientists have sent Portuguese police an email complaining that their laboratory findings have been "wildly misused".

The Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, who carried out tests on the McCanns' holiday apartment and hire car, criticised detectives for overplaying evidence suggesting Madeleine's DNA had been found in the Renault Scenic which the couple hired 24 days after their daughter disappeared.

They were particularly upset at the way Portuguese police interpreted "inconclusive" forensic evidence and decided the little girl's body could have been transported in the car's boot.

Traces of Madeleine's blood, hair and bodily fluids were reportedly found in the car, but the McCanns have said there is nothing that does not have an innocent explanation.

Yesterday a police source in the Algarve admitted that the DNA traces were insufficient to prove a crime.

'We cannot state with certainty she was there,' said the source.

I do not doubt what you are saying, and I also think there were leaks made in this investigation, and the media dramatised a lot of their information to sell papers, we will just have to see how this all pans out and hope that justice wins in the end, and Madelaine is found or can be laid to rest and the perpetrators dealt with accordingly.