Search Stalled On Gabriel's 1st Birthday

[iluvmua]

Whether or not I agree doesn't matter at all. We don't charge people with crimes just to play games. That would denigrate the integrity of our entire justice system, and render it a mere joke.

That isn't playing a game, she's already said she killed him and then she took it back.

 

[noopy]

so, let me get this straight... people are allowed to kill or throw away their babies, admit to doing so in text, and then just go to jail for 1 YEAR. 1 YEAR.

WOW. I'M SPEECHLESS. If even the justice system doesn't care about babies rights, then I guess what are we doing on here? Nothing will result in anything, ever.

Is the US MURDERER HEAVEN?

No wonder EJ not talking. So what if she killed Gabe? Threw him in a dump? Gave him to strangers? It's as if he never existed, it's ok, and condoned by the US LAWS right? Why SHOULD EJ cooperate? Why not for the likes of TS to flood our society, maybe do some underground adoptions and make some extra cashola... From the very beginning, the case has reeked, I never knew criminals could CHOOSE WHEN they wanted to go to court and if they were in a bad mood, to stand up the judge like a cheap date. I never knew criminals can attack other criminals and then write a will and then get what they want (other criminals i'm sure have to eat the nutraloaf or nothing)...

 

[noopy]

That isn't playing a game, she's already said she killed him and then she took it back.

Exactly. She admitted it.

Sounds like, she is being rewarded for hiding the body well...

Whatever happened to an aggravated murder charge? AZ, please say it isn't really true, she'll be out in 1 YEAR?

I'm feeling sick.:sick:

 

[fran]

so, let me get this straight... people are allowed to kill or throw away their babies, admit to doing so in text, and then just go to jail for 1 YEAR. 1 YEAR.

WOW. I'M SPEECHLESS. If even the justice system doesn't care about babies rights, then I guess what are we doing on here? Nothing will result in anything, ever.

Is the US MURDERER HEAVEN?

No wonder EJ not talking. So what if she killed Gabe? Threw him in a dump? Gave him to strangers? It's as if he never existed, it's ok, and condoned by the US LAWS right? Why SHOULD EJ cooperate? Why not for the likes of TS to flood our society, maybe do some underground adoptions and make some extra cashola... From the very beginning, the case has reeked, I never knew criminals could CHOOSE WHEN they wanted to go to court and if they were in a bad mood, to stand up the judge like a cheap date. I never knew criminals can attack other criminals and then write a will and then get what they want (other criminals i'm sure have to eat the nutraloaf or nothing)...

I'm soooo with you on this!

Have you ever noticed the LIGHT sentence given to a perp who's MURDERED a child or BABY, compared to someone who MURDERED a full grown adult?

I've said for a VERY LONG time, it's like crimes on babies and children are treated as 1/2 a CRIME!

What is with that?!?

JMHO
fran

PS...Of course, after following so many people (ie meaning ADULT!) disappearances, often times, 'no body, there is no crime.' pfffftttt

 

[noopy]

I'm soooo with you on this!

Have you ever noticed the LIGHT sentence given to a perp who's MURDERED a child or BABY, compared to someone who MURDERED a full grown adult?

I've said for a VERY LONG time, it's like crimes on babies and children are treated as 1/2 a CRIME!

What is with that?!?

JMHO
fran

PS...Of course, after following so many people (ie meaning ADULT!) disappearances, often times, 'no body, there is no crime.' pfffftttt

Yeah, what is up with that? :furious: And what will it take for the judge to believe she just may have killed him? Yeah, they can't find a body, but didn't EJ ADMIT to the crime herself?? I didn't follow Haleigh's case too closely, but it is my opinion that Haleigh is not alive. There's no body either in that case....

Now she can't even be charged for KIDNAPPING? She didn't have full custody of the child, she then LOST the child, and the child's whereabouts are still unknown after near 5 months! If that doesn't constitute as kidnapping and possibly murder, then what does?

There's NO justice in our justice system, that's what I've learned today. (Oh, UNLESS you're the defendent/murderer of course - you will then get a very fair trial, free lawyers, free room & board, even donations from fans on Facebook, and no one will charge you with murder even if you admit it).

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[iluvmua]

Ok, Nobody has seen this child in 5 months, no witnesses have come forward, nor has any couple come forward, EJ sent a text message that said she killed her own child, EJ is not being cooperative with the police, etc.


This all points in one direction ------> Gabriel has most likely passed away.

There have been SEVERAL cases where they prosecute people even without a body.

 

[noopy]

Ok, Nobody has seen this child in 5 months, no witnesses have come forward, nor has any couple come forward, EJ sent a text message that said she killed her own child, EJ is not being cooperative with the police, etc.


This all points in one direction ------> Gabriel has most likely passed away.

There have been SEVERAL cases where they prosecute people even without a body.

I'm with you iluvmua... Don't want to believe it, but the facts in this case don't look good now.

Add the fact that EJ possib has mental issues (recent stint in psych unit), violent tendencies (assaulting inmates), and will outright deny any wrong doing even if she's caught in the act!

My best guess: EJ went to SA per TS' instructions. She was suppose to give the baby to someone setup by TS... but it fell thru last minute, maybe they backed out last minute, TS told EJ to come back, EJ said "What?" (the conversation the sitter overheard)...EJ tried to find her own way to get rid of Gabriel (met HG, met some other couple), but maybe those didn't work out, and she accidentally overdoses Gabe on Tylenol on 12/26. She disposes of Gabe's body, in a very secure spot and she knows most likely he will never be found, and she RUNS. The rest is history.

TS never asks EJ in the phone calls "Where's Gabriel?" Just a thought, EJ also NEVER ASKS TS WHERE IS GABRIEL? As his mother, if she gave him to strangers who are TS' friends, wouldn't SHE ASK TAMMI WHERE IS HER SON NOW?

I certainly hope you're right on the homicide charge w/o a body. Gabriel NEEDS justice... Why did Logan's lawyer say that she will walk in a year with what they have on her? I feel Gabriel's been failed by a lot of people in his life, I just hope there's some justice even if it's a little late.

God bless this beautiful sweet boy.

 

[DairyGirl]

The sad thing is there is a good argument for both sides, that she gave Gabriel away to people sent by TPS or that she could have killed him. The problem is, there isn't much evidence to legally support either theory. The only facts are that Gabriel is missing and his mother knows what happened. If she is trying to tell the truth that TPS set things up then there must not be any corroborating evidence to back this up. If they try to arrest her for his death then they have to have more then her words, that she has since recanted, that she harmed him. I hate to see her get away with whatever she did but that is what it looks like.

 

[BeanE]

Well then what do you suggest they do? They are not getting anywhere.

The only other thing I can think of is to charge her with Homicide.

I disagree that they're not getting anywhere. We would all have liked this to be instant - on Dec 27 for Elizabeth and Tammi to have admitted what they did with Gabe, for whoever has him to have taken him to a police station. Unfortunately, it's not instant. Fortunately, it does sound like Elizabeth has been talking, has been giving information, and personally, I believe she's realized she's in a very bad position, and that she's given all the information she has. It's time for other people to come forward, and to talk, namely Tammi, Jack, and whoever has held Gabe and whoever is currently holding him.

If Elizabeth has given all the information she has, what would charging her with homicide do? Nothing. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Except corrupt the justice system.

The only thing you can think of is charging her with homicide. Hmmmm. Well, how about some of these:
- More FBI involvement.
- More money going into Gabe's search fund so that Ken and his associates can put even more effort into the search.
- More people - anybody! - spending more time to look at who could be holding Gabe and sending in tips and leads.
- More people writing to the Chief of the SAPD, the mayor of San Antonio, the governor of Texas, the Chief of the Tempe PD, the mayor of Tempe AZ, the governor of AZ, and all the related elected officials - senators and congressmen and representatives in AZ and TX.
- More people taking the time to post on this forum, to ask questions about Gabe's case, to take one little aspect and research it and post about it, to spur thought and interest in him and his case.

Gabe is a defenseless missing endangered baby, and a human being who deserves to be looked for. We are responsible adults. 'They', my friend, is you and me.

MOO

 

[BeanE]

That isn't playing a game, she's already said she killed him and then she took it back.

It would be playing a game for prosecutor to charge a person with homicide, not because they believe the person committed the crime and believes they have the evidence to prove it, but, believing the person has not committed the crime, to charge them with it anyway, to get the person to do something.

 

[BeanE]

so, let me get this straight... people are allowed to kill or throw away their babies, admit to doing so in text, and then just go to jail for 1 YEAR. 1 YEAR.

WOW. I'M SPEECHLESS. If even the justice system doesn't care about babies rights, then I guess what are we doing on here? Nothing will result in anything, ever.

Is the US MURDERER HEAVEN?

No wonder EJ not talking. So what if she killed Gabe? Threw him in a dump? Gave him to strangers? It's as if he never existed, it's ok, and condoned by the US LAWS right? Why SHOULD EJ cooperate? Why not for the likes of TS to flood our society, maybe do some underground adoptions and make some extra cashola... From the very beginning, the case has reeked, I never knew criminals could CHOOSE WHEN they wanted to go to court and if they were in a bad mood, to stand up the judge like a cheap date. I never knew criminals can attack other criminals and then write a will and then get what they want (other criminals i'm sure have to eat the nutraloaf or nothing)...

We as a society do not value our children very much. We made - and keep - the laws that allow this. If we do value our children, then we need to work to change the laws to show it.

 

[BeanE]

I'm soooo with you on this!

Have you ever noticed the LIGHT sentence given to a perp who's MURDERED a child or BABY, compared to someone who MURDERED a full grown adult?

I've said for a VERY LONG time, it's like crimes on babies and children are treated as 1/2 a CRIME!

What is with that?!?

JMHO
fran

PS...Of course, after following so many people (ie meaning ADULT!) disappearances, often times, 'no body, there is no crime.' pfffftttt

Take a few random states and check the statutes and sentences for a parent who gives away or sells their baby. They get about 5 years for a sentence, and out for good behavior in less. We don't value our babies very much.

 

[iluvmua]

I disagree that they're not getting anywhere. We would all have liked this to be instant - on Dec 27 for Elizabeth and Tammi to have admitted what they did with Gabe, for whoever has him to have taken him to a police station. Unfortunately, it's not instant. Fortunately, it does sound like Elizabeth has been talking, has been giving information, and personally, I believe she's realized she's in a very bad position, and that she's given all the information she has. It's time for other people to come forward, and to talk, namely Tammi, Jack, and whoever has held Gabe and whoever is currently holding him.

If Elizabeth has given all the information she has, what would charging her with homicide do? Nothing. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Except corrupt the justice system.

The only thing you can think of is charging her with homicide. Hmmmm. Well, how about some of these:
- More FBI involvement.
- More money going into Gabe's search fund so that Ken and his associates can put even more effort into the search.
- More people - anybody! - spending more time to look at who could be holding Gabe and sending in tips and leads.
- More people writing to the Chief of the SAPD, the mayor of San Antonio, the governor of Texas, the Chief of the Tempe PD, the mayor of Tempe AZ, the governor of AZ, and all the related elected officials - senators and congressmen and representatives in AZ and TX.
- More people taking the time to post on this forum, to ask questions about Gabe's case, to take one little aspect and research it and post about it, to spur thought and interest in him and his case.

Gabe is a defenseless missing endangered baby, and a human being who deserves to be looked for. We are responsible adults. 'They', my friend, is you and me.

MOO

It might just be the thing to get her to start talking.

every lead LE had has lead to a dead end.

EJ has not been talking according to LE.

 

[BeanE]

From the subject article. Posting to give the context for this thread's topic:

Investigators believe his mother either gave him away as part of an underground adoption plan or killed him in San Antonio, Texas.

 

[BeanE]

EJ has not been talking according to LE.

I don't see that in the subject article. Here's what I found in the article:

The one woman who investigators believe holds all answers is not helpful, they said.

That is from the reporter, not from LE. The reporter doesn't state when they gained that information. Unfortunately, the reporter didn't provide a direct quote if it was current/recent information.

If the statement is current, then LE is saying Elizabeth is not helpful, not that she has not been talking. That statement could mean that EJ is not talking, but it could also mean she is talking as SS says she claimed to be, but that LE is not finding the information she's talking about to be helpful in finding Gabe. Again, since we have no direct quote from LE, we unfortunately don't know what exactly they said, or what exactly they meant.

 

[TXHOPE]

It might just be the thing to get her to start talking.

every lead LE had has lead to a dead end.

EJ has not been talking according to LE.

Do you have a recent link that specifically says she is not talking? I was looking for one so if you have seen it please provide it. All I can find is she is not being helpful. Not being helpful can mean she doesn't know who the couple is and doesn't have any proof to tie TS as the 3rd party and doesn't have any new information to provide.

 

[TXHOPE]

Sorry BeanE! We must of been typing at the same time!

 

[BeanE]

The sad thing is there is a good argument for both sides, that she gave Gabriel away to people sent by TPS or that she could have killed him. The problem is, there isn't much evidence to legally support either theory. The only facts are that Gabriel is missing and his mother knows what happened. If she is trying to tell the truth that TPS set things up then there must not be any corroborating evidence to back this up. If they try to arrest her for his death then they have to have more then her words, that she has since recanted, that she harmed him. I hate to see her get away with whatever she did but that is what it looks like.

Good summary, Dairy. I'd like to add that the attorney was giving his speculative opinion, not giving absolutes.:

She may not be there much longer. Without a body, a murder charge is unlikely, and it may be difficult for prosecutors to find her guilty of kidnapping. Even with a guilty verdict on custodial interference, Johnson could be out in less than a year.

I respect Tim and his opinion, and appreciate hearing from him, but only the San Antonio prosecutor can tell us what the situation and status actually are.

 

[TXHOPE]

I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this so please move it if you need to.

Investigators believe his mother either gave him away as part of an underground adoption plan or killed him in San Antonio, Texas.[/QUOTE]

She either gave him away or killed him. I do believe Gabriel is alive and was handed off to a couple the morning of Dec 27th. I'm open to hearing all sides though because the only thing that has me concerned that his death is a possibility is the fact that LE has been running in circles and seem to be hitting a brick wall with every lead. Stronger than that concern though is the fact that there is not any evidence of a murder. There is evidence that a handoff took place.

The only realistic scenerio that I can see that could be a possibility in Gabriel's death is this handoff was supposed to take place and it never did. TS had it all lined up, it was stretched out longer than expected and then eventually it was called off. EJ killed him on the 26th or the morning of the 27th, then wrote the journal or finished the journal with a different ending to pin it on TS and flee to Florida.

I don't believe this happened but that's the only way I can see his death being a possibility while still including the evidence of the handoff. It's hard for me to look at it this way but both sides do have to be considered.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

How very depressing! Both the things I hoped/thought have just been discounted. I thought they had some decent leads and that Gabe was close to being found. Apparently not. I also thought EJ could spend a long time in jail if he's not found. Apparently not. Wow. How can the people involved get away with this?!? EJ has just learned that if she has hidden him well and keeps refusing to talk, she wins. As well as the others involved. Disgusting.

You are right, BeanE --- Our children are not valued enough!!!!

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