Search Warrants for MR's house and vehicles

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The search warrants are here: http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/Salem154/library/?sort=3&page=1#


Please discuss them respectfully.

WS has contacted LE, MR and the original owner of the original pictures of the search warrants. Based on the information we received, we believe they are authentic and copies of the actual documents.

If anyone has information to the contrary, please contact WS Admin right away.

Salem

Wow!

Thanks, Salem, for the photo bucket pics of the released Mark Redwine Search Warrant! :seeya:

 

[caffeinejean]

Dylan's disappearance didn't meet the criteria for an Amber Alert, no matter the definition of abducted or kidnapped. One of the criteria is Sufficient Descriptive Information (must have enough information to believe that immediate broadcast to the public will enhance the efforts of law enforcement to locate the child and apprehend the suspect), and there wasn't any of that available. What were they going to say? There was no suspect, no vehicle, they didn't know what Dylan was wearing, where he could have disappeared from (the house, the road, the woods?) or when.


I seriously doubt a semantics issue is what kept an Amber Alert from being issued.

Post was Respectfully snipped and bolded by me. This new MSM report follows your insightful line of thinking. Thanks Ghostwheel.

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/338134/346/Search-for-Redwine-continues-with-K-9-unit


KUSA - The search for Dylan Redwine picks up again, six months after his disappearance.

The New Mexico K-9 unit will be back at Vallecito Lake, where Redwine first went missing on November 19.

This follows the recent criticism from Redwine's father about how these cases are handled.

He criticized authorities for waiting for certain criteria to be met before sending out an Amber Alert.

In response police say they must have confirmation before alerting the public.

 

[Money Girl]

Post was Respectfully snipped and bolded by me. This new MSM report follows your insightful line of thinking. Thanks Ghostwheel.

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/338134/346/Search-for-Redwine-continues-with-K-9-unit


KUSA - The search for Dylan Redwine picks up again, six months after his disappearance.

The New Mexico K-9 unit will be back at Vallecito Lake, where Redwine first went missing on November 19.

This follows the recent criticism from Redwine's father about how these cases are handled.

He criticized authorities for waiting for certain criteria to be met before sending out an Amber Alert.

In response police say they must have confirmation before alerting the public.

I don't know that MR wanted an "Amber" alert issued, but like the parents of other missing children, he probably wanted some kind of alert to be issued. I have seen this discussed by other parents, and I don't know that there is an alert similar to the Amber alert (without a car description) available at this time.

I believe everyone understands that local LE became active as soon as they found out that Dylan was not where his parents thought he would be.

 

[cluciano63]

Amber alerts are for abductions. MR never indicated he thought Dylan was abducted, at least not until much later when he had theories coming out of his hat.

As far as a search warrant for Elaine's house, if there was one, it probably did not word it the same as Dylan was never believed to have been there since Saturday and her home was not the last place he was seen. I would imagine they were looking for clues on his computer, if he had one at home as well as any signs he might have run away or met someone online. All JMO.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Amber alerts are for abductions. MR never indicated he thought Dylan was abducted, at least not until much later when he had theories coming out of his hat.

As far as a search warrant for Elaine's house, if there was one, it probably did not word it the same as Dylan was never believed to have been there since Saturday and her home was not the last place he was seen. I would imagine they were looking for clues on his computer, if he had one at home as well as any signs he might have run away or met someone online. All JMO.

While I think the wording on the search warrant for EH's house would be worded the same, I don't think that we are going to get a look at it, nor will we get an answer about whether there even was one. If I'm not mistaken, searchers can't even find out what kind of phone Dylan had. Lots of details have been left out. For example the sweatshirt in the search warrant. If Dylan went outside, wouldn't he wear it?

 

[caffeinejean]

I don't know that MR wanted an "Amber" alert issued, but like the parents of other missing children, he probably wanted some kind of alert to be issued. I have seen this discussed by other parents, and I don't know that there is an alert similar to the Amber alert (without a car description) available at this time.

I believe everyone understands that local LE became active as soon as they found out that Dylan was not where his parents thought he would be.

What you say here is what I certainly would hope to be true and true of most parents in such tragic circumstances.

However, in this case many of the MSM articles produced in the last few weeks show as headlines that MR "criticizes" the alert system. And these articles specifically quote him about the Amber Alert System. And as I see it, MR was probably the biggest hinderance to any delay to get the word out. Second, here on WS his SW's have been released by MR himself to somehow confirm his reasoning (kidnapping vs. abduction) and whether an alert should have been issued for Dylan by the way they were worded? To me this is nonsense and time wasted, and frankly looks suspicious.

Granted, it would be wonderful if an alert system could be put together for all children who fall outside of the criteria for an Amber Alert. But really, why waste focus, time and energy blaming and criticizing LE and the system for an alert that didn't happen 6 months ago. Work on that project after Dylan is found! Work on finding Dylan Now! My prayers and thoughts are with Dylan.
JMO

 

[Bayou Mistress]

What you say here is what I certainly would hope to be true and true of most parents in such tragic circumstances.

However, in this case many of the MSM articles produced in the last few weeks show as headlines that MR "criticizes" the alert system. And these articles specifically quote him about the Amber Alert System. And as I see it, MR was probably the biggest hinderance to any delay to get the word out. Second, here on WS his SW's have been released by MR himself to somehow confirm his reasoning (kidnapping vs. abduction) and whether an alert should have been issued for Dylan by the way they were worded? To me this is nonsense and time wasted, and frankly looks suspicious.

Granted, it would be wonderful if an alert system could be put together for all children who fall outside of the criteria for an Amber Alert. But really, why waste focus, time and energy blaming and criticizing LE and the system for an alert that didn't happen 6 months ago. Work on that project after Dylan is found! Work on finding Dylan Now! My prayers and thoughts are with Dylan.
JMO

Actually, I do not believe that MR released the SW to websleuths at all. WS sought out MR to verify them not the other way around. I'm willing to give any parent of a missing child a great deal of latitude. I don't think that parents of missing children think very clearly for a long long time.

 

[cluciano63]

OT but successful outcomes from AA alerts are due to a vehicle description...not a child description, in most cases. Just imagine how many AA's would go out, and how little attention people would give them, if one were issued for every child who goes missing for a few hours or so.

 

[Ransom]

Amber alerts are for abductions. MR never indicated he thought Dylan was abducted

Yes for abductions.

Say what? How does anyone know what MR said? I'm not privy to what MR nor ER said to LE . Have these convs been released? TIA since I'm so slow and don't come here that often.

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/CDPS-CBIInvestigations/CBON/1251621993529#Colorado_Amber_Alert

 

[Ransom]

However, in this case many of the MSM articles produced in the last few weeks show as headlines that MR "criticizes" the alert system. And these articles specifically quote him about the Amber Alert System. And as I see it, MR was probably the biggest hinderance to any delay to get the word out.

HOW? BBM:

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/CDPS-CBIInvestigations/CBON/1251621993529#Colorado_Amber_Alert

 

[Ransom]

OT but successful outcomes from AA alerts are due to a vehicle description...not a child description, in most cases. Just imagine how many AA's would go out, and how little attention people would give them, if one were issued for every child who goes missing for a few hours or so.

ITA.
Went round and round with the Alicia Moore case where her Aunt went OFF that no AA was issued for her missing niece/protests/civil unrest, etc. Posters here went off too.... in a small town Texas case. My heart went out to the Aunt/mother, but Alicia was not abducted. Alicia's own UNCLE is now named as the perp when that young girl walked into her own home after school. UGH. I hate that for all those that loved that young woman.

We have all these laws named for dead kids. So sad. I have fought my off for Katie's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie's_Law) aka Known as DNA Saves (http://www.dnasaves.org/states.php). ONLY 26 states have passed this law. ACLU and the Innocent Project supports this law, but yet ....


We will always have parental abduction, those that disregard the law, people that wander off/fall in rivers/water, neglected, take off to never be seen again, etc. Breaks my heart.

Good night all. Bless you all for caring/hoping/praying/wishing for Dylan to be found. We all want that.

 

[Ransom]

My problem is that MARK didn't think Dylan had been abducted or kidnapped or whatever that first day, and insisted the mail lady had seen Dylan walking around, so if the parent doesn't think abduction (or kidnapping), why would LE?

we aren't allowed to look at our cell phones when driving, so no abductor information means a sparse highway alert sign.

SBM; BBM
Wait: Mark knew the first DAY about the mail lady's report? What? Link to this, please that he KNEW that DAY when DR went poof and the mail lady's report. TIA

I can look at my cell phone anywhere I wish, driving or NOT in NM/CO. WTHeck is up with that? What law prevents me from looking at my phone on any bi-way or highway, driving or NOT? Link me up here. TIA. I DO know the laws in NM and CO about cellphone usage/texting, etc. No where does it say I cannot LOOK at my cellphone.

 

[ColdHands]

I was driving yesterday while the alert for Luke Turner was still active here in Colorado. All the road signs said was Child Abduction Alert Tune to whatever radio station for Details. I noticed they did not have the licence or vehicle description. This was after the grandfather was busted in Missouri but before they found him in Canada. They found him because the dad used his credit card to check into a hotel and not because of the alert. Part of the issue is it's a state-level system unless specifically extended. In Luke's case, they could be out of state in less than an hour and probably would have been.

Same with Dylan. By the time he was reported missing, something like 10 hours had passed since MR had seen him. An abductor could have been in Texas or Southern California or up to Wyoming or into Nebraska - point is, they could have been anywhere by the time an Alert was posted. And not knowing where an alert should be extended to, there's a good chance the Alert would not have been extended to the state he was currently traveling through.

Just MOO.

 

[SCHMAE]

Amber alerts are for abductions. MR never indicated he thought Dylan was abducted, at least not until much later when he had theories coming out of his hat.

As far as a search warrant for Elaine's house, if there was one, it probably did not word it the same as Dylan was never believed to have been there since Saturday and her home was not the last place he was seen. I would imagine they were looking for clues on his computer, if he had one at home as well as any signs he might have run away or met someone online. All JMO.

He didn't ? When was that that MR made the statement ( paraphrasing) that " dylan could be long gone or far away by now ' ? IDK what I think anymore. I don't care who did what, just find the child and LE can sort out the mess afterwards !

 

[Emma Ems]

While I realize Dylan's disappearance may not have met the creds for an AA, I do kind of see what's up here with this. As a certain amount of time passes, I imagine a child's parent would question everything, including the handling of the case. I probably would if there were no positive results in the case. I would be wondering if there were things that could have been done differently that may have helped. I know some will say that if MR had taken another poly maybe they could have moved on, but when you look at Jaycee's case, and the case in that documentary "Imposter" even though LDTs were given, and passed, they were given several times again even after the person passed, so if LE in the beginning did zero in on MR being the last known person to see Dylan, I don't think passing would necessarily move them on from that either. Also, in MRs thinking regarding where Dylan might have been. In all the various accounts I have read about Dylan, it seems that he would come and go as he pleased, I don't think it's a stretch to at first believe that Dylan may have been off doing his own thing. Even Ryan didn't text him, worried, until after MR showed up looking for Dylan at his house.

 

[Emma Ems]

He didn't ? When was that that MR made the statement ( paraphrasing) that " dylan could be long gone or far away by now ' ? IDK what I think anymore. I don't care who did what, just find the child and LE can sort out the mess afterwards !

That is where I have been for quite a while, find Dylan then worry about who did what. Chances are you find him, then you can find who is responsible for whatever happened to him.

 

[*Lash*]

Since we're on the topic of Amber Alerts -

Jessica Ridgeway case prompts development of app to track kids

Snip -

The application lets anyone on the parent list "escalate" the notice and rally a search party, removing any delay that could be caused while police are notified and, in some cases, while officers seek an Amber Alert. The notifications are far more local than Amber Alerts, which can cover an entire state or neighboring states and require several criteria to be met before they are issued. The escalations will alert police, as well, Ownbey said.

Research shows the first two hours after a child goes missing are the most vital, Guydon said, so the application alerts parents the moment a child goes off of a route and allows them to look into the behavior. Because the app is currently based on cell phone use, if the child stays in place for too long, as though the phone is just sitting somewhere unattended, the application will also send alerts.

"We want this to be a deterrent for kidnappers," he said.

Read more: Jessica Ridgeway case prompts development of app to track kids - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_23284554#ixzz2UVMLZd00

 

[SCHMAE]

That is where I have been for quite a while, find Dylan then worry about who did what. Chances are you find him, then you can find who is responsible for whatever happened to him.

I guess the flip side argument could be made to find who's responsible and then you will have clues to where he is. It just seems a big ole stalemate with EVERY scenario being equal or nearly equal. So until Dylan is found, who really knows what happened? I would hate to be his family and I would hate to be LE right now.

 

[Emma Ems]

I guess the flip side argument could be made to find who's responsible and then you will have clues to where he is. It just seems a big ole stalemate with EVERY scenario being equal or nearly equal. So until Dylan is found, who really knows what happened? I would hate to be his family and I would hate to be LE right now.

I completely agree! It really is one big mess right now.

 

[*Lash*]

I would like to know why Mark released these search warrants? What was the purpose? Is there a message behind this? Just a simple question, Mark why did you decide to release these search warrants?