Senator Al Franken accused of unwanted kissing/groping

[K_Z]

What's so wrong with sex?

Not a thing-- it's an awesome human gift! The problem is when something like posing for Playboy is justified as "not" having anything to do with sex, lol! It's the old joke that men buy Playboy for the articles, not the pictures. America is a nation founded on prudish religious principles-- we can't forget that. Modern day progressives want sex and nudity to be free and without any negative consequences related to sex or sexuality. Just like several posters here have tried to justify that someone who poses nude for sexual magazines and catalogs has nothing to do with sex or sexuality-- it's just "a job", and shouldn't have any more risk factors than jobs that don't involve sex or nudity. That's just laughable!

The more one indiscriminately "shares" their sexuality and nudity with strangers or random acquaintances, the more risks and consequences one will experience related to sex, nudity, sexuality, and sex-related violence/ regret.

 

[simba16]

Not a thing-- it's an awesome human gift! The problem is when something like posing for Playboy is justified as "not" having anything to do with sex, lol! It's the old joke that men buy Playboy for the articles, not the pictures. America is a nation founded on prudish religious principles-- we can't forget that. Modern day progressives want sex and nudity to be free and without any negative consequences related to sex or sexuality. Just like several posters here have tried to justify that someone who poses nude for sexual magazines and catalogs has nothing to do with sex or sexuality-- it's just "a job", and shouldn't have any more risk factors than jobs that don't involve sex or nudity. That's just laughable!

The more one indiscriminately "shares" their sexuality and nudity with strangers or random acquaintances, the more risks and consequences one will experience related to sex, nudity, sexuality, and sex-related violence/ regret.

You are saying the person is only a sex object. You are wrong--I never said it had nothing to do with sex.

 

[HoneyWest]

I'm not saying Roy Moore was "right". I'm saying you have to evaluate the CONTEXT of what he was doing, and WHY he was doing it. He is wrongly labelled a pedophile or predator, IMO. His motivations were to seek a bride within the context of his fundamentalist religion. That doesn't make it "right". It's simply an explanation for the behavior, and a far more reasonable explanation than labelling him a pedophile or a predator. He married 3 years later, and hasn't repeated that teen date seeking behavior that we know of.

Times have changed. We have to be careful with how we look thru our 2017 lens at things that happened in the past.

Again, if he had done this last week, I'd feel differently. Anthony Weiner comes to mind as a compare and contrast case for Roy Moore.

Disgusting. Roy Moore wasn't banned from the local shopping mall just for innocently "seeking a bride". He's a pervert and harassed underage young women, and did it continually until a mall banned him. He still sees nothing wrong with his conduct.

As far as how we look at things that happened in the past, you're darned right we need to look carefully and pay attention to details.

 

[jjenny]

And presumably Moore is still going to be elected. What does that say about people?

 

[bluesneakers]

Not a thing-- it's an awesome human gift! The problem is when something like posing for Playboy is justified as "not" having anything to do with sex, lol! It's the old joke that men buy Playboy for the articles, not the pictures. America is a nation founded on prudish religious principles-- we can't forget that. Modern day progressives want sex and nudity to be free and without any negative consequences related to sex or sexuality. Just like several posters here have tried to justify that someone who poses nude for sexual magazines and catalogs has nothing to do with sex or sexuality-- it's just "a job", and shouldn't have any more risk factors than jobs that don't involve sex or nudity. That's just laughable!

The more one indiscriminately "shares" their sexuality and nudity with strangers or random acquaintances, the more risks and consequences one will experience related to sex, nudity, sexuality, and sex-related violence/ regret.

Someone better tell the First Lady! LOL

 

[HoneyWest]

Not a thing-- it's an awesome human gift! The problem is when something like posing for Playboy is justified as "not" having anything to do with sex, lol! It's the old joke that men buy Playboy for the articles, not the pictures. America is a nation founded on prudish religious principles-- we can't forget that. Modern day progressives want sex and nudity to be free and without any negative consequences related to sex or sexuality. Just like several posters here have tried to justify that someone who poses nude for sexual magazines and catalogs has nothing to do with sex or sexuality-- it's just "a job", and shouldn't have any more risk factors than jobs that don't involve sex or nudity. That's just laughable!

The more one indiscriminately "shares" their sexuality and nudity with strangers or random acquaintances, the more risks and consequences one will experience related to sex, nudity, sexuality, and sex-related violence/ regret.

Women tend to cling to this outdated fallacy in order to convince themselves that it could never happen to them. "I've never posed nude, so it wouldn't happen to me"

"I only work in sterile, serious work environments, so it would never happen to me."

"I only wear modest clothing, so it would never happen to me." Ad nauseum.

It makes women feel better, more safe, however, it doesn't make them more safe.

 

[K_Z]

You sound like you have a personal vendetta against her. Disturbing.

I support *real* victims.

Someone isn't a victim just because they "say"so, or they "feel" like one. I'm disgusted and deeply offended by faux victims, virtue signalling, and those who exploit and weaponize trivial situations to take down others.

And not all women think alike. We're not all feminazi bots. Some of us use logic and critical thinking more than magic and wishful thinking, lol!

 

[bluesneakers]

And presumably Moore is still going to be elected. What does that say about people?

That they are willing to sacrifice their daughters for political gain.

 

[HoneyWest]

I support *real* victims.

Someone isn't a victim just because they "say"so, or they "feel" like one. I'm disgusted and deeply offended by faux victims, virtue signalling, and those who exploit and weaponize trivial situations to take down others.

And not all women think alike. We're not all feminazi bots. Some of us use logic and critical thinking more than magic and wishful thinking, lol!

You don't get to decide who are *real* victims and who are "faux victims".

 

[bluesneakers]

Not all of us call other women names.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, she also was on a workout show called Fitness Beach. She spent a few years as a correspondent for Fox Sports Television and after that was on the NBC late night serious "Poker After Dark". She's also been on at least 16 USO tours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeann_Tweeden

Yes, she participated in a lot of USO tours, so there are lots of videos out there.

 

[PaulR]

I support *real* victims.

Someone isn't a victim just because they "say"so, or they "feel" like one. I'm disgusted and deeply offended by faux victims, virtue signalling, and those who exploit and weaponize trivial situations to take down others.

And not all women think alike. We're not all feminazi bots. Some of us use logic and critical thinking more than magic and wishful thinking, lol!

Were the prostitutes that the Green River Killer murdered "real victims"?

 

[simba16]

I support *real* victims.

Someone isn't a victim just because they "say"so, or they "feel" like one. I'm disgusted and deeply offended by faux victims, virtue signalling, and those who exploit and weaponize trivial situations to take down others.

And not all women think alike. We're not all feminazi bots. Some of us use logic and critical thinking more than magic and wishful thinking, lol!

Yes I'm glad for us who use logic, critical and progressive--as opposed to regressive--thinking. Maybe the dullards who bash feminism would like to give up their right to vote and slink back under their rock?

 

[MyBelle]

She works in radio NOW, but not at the time of the USO Tour.

The media is reluctant to cover her sex kitten/ nude modeling history in depth, for the same reason that we see here-- they would be perceived as " shaming" her. They must ignore her past, and focus on her present, in order to make her story more believable and not open to any criticism or critical thinking.

If her sex kitten/ nude modelling history was more of a part of the story, in addition to the sex skit focus of the USO Tours, and AF's bawdy history, then it's a ho-hum, predictable bunch of childish pranks by entertainers, and not a "predator sex assault" story with a pitiful victim, designed to bring down a sitting senator.

Her resume is irrelevant which is why the media is ignoring it.

Violating someone without their consent isn't a childish prank. Franken wanted to rehearse the kiss and she told him "no." Franken, an adult, should have backed off. Instead, he proceeded to assault her.

Franken not only kissed her, he decided to show her he was in charge by thrusting his tongue into her mouth. That's not normal behavior for a child and certainly isn't accepted when it is an adult.

 

[jjenny]

MSM might be ingoring it, but all the videos of USO tours are on social media in all their glory.

 

[MyBelle]

I support *real* victims.

Someone isn't a victim just because they "say"so, or they "feel" like one. I'm disgusted and deeply offended by faux victims, virtue signalling, and those who exploit and weaponize trivial situations to take down others.

And not all women think alike. We're not all feminazi bots. Some of us use logic and critical thinking more than magic and wishful thinking, lol!

You don't get to decide who is a victim. "No" means "no." Tweeden said "no" and it was ignored. Franken needs to grow up and hold himself accountable. He's no role model for children.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes I'm glad for us who use logic, critical and progressive--as opposed to regressive--thinking. Maybe the dullards who bash feminism would like to give up their right to vote and slink back under their rock?

Amy Poehler:
"Sometimes when people don't identify themselves as feminists it's like saying, 'I like cars, I think they're great, I use one every day, it gets me from place to place but I'm not gonna go on record and say that cars are good.'"

 

[MyBelle]

And presumably Moore is still going to be elected. What does that say about people?

They have a right to vote for whomever they please. And Congress has a duty to police themselves when voters refuse to do it.

 

[jjenny]

They have a right to vote for whomever they please. And Congress has a duty to police themselves when voters refuse to do it.

He is running for senate.

 

[MyBelle]

He is running for senate.

Yes and if he is elected the Republicans have made it very clear they intend to prevent him from serving. Hello?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/moore-senate-republicans-expulsion-244907