Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #3

[G&AMom]

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/what-people-said-about-jodi-after-the-killing/

Interesting article again after reading the text messages.

Wow, that's an interesting article.

Does it suggest that maybe one of the reasons Mimi was keeping Travis at arm's length was because she'd heard a lot of things about Jodi and did not want to get involved with that craziness? Or am I reading too much into it?

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[Hope4More]

Wow, that's an interesting article.

Does it suggest that maybe one of the reasons Mimi was keeping Travis at arm's length was because she'd heard a lot of things about Jodi and did not want to get involved with that craziness? Or am I reading too much into it?

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No, I think was very much the case. Their Mormon ward seems to have been the equivalent of a small town. Everyone knew everyone else, and everyone gossiped about everyone else.

It makes sense to me actually, given the pressure to have short courtships and to marry early. I know in that situation I'd be chatting up every person I could find to get Intel.

I remember at least several texts by Travis asking...what have you heard about me? What is my rep? Replies always were positive...that you are funny, successful, have a nice house, work for yourself.... (and no doubt in whispers....and that you still are in regular contact with that scary stalker who hangs all over you, WTH?).

 

[Wing Ding]

Speculation:

Travis: Look, Jodi, I've got to move on completely, I don't blame you for anything, but I've given myself a year to get married, and I'm going to concentrate on Lisa from now on.

Jodi: I wonder what Lisa will think of the sex tape we made...

Ya know... I had always thought her motivation for cobbling together the phone-sex recording was for blackmail or revenge purposes to Travis' Bishop. But it makes complete sense that she would kindly provide a copy of the recording to each of Travis' prospective girlfriends in an attempt to keep him on the singles list.

When she eventually realized she wasn't wife material for him, she seemed to do everything in her power to make life a living Hell for him.

I'm not so sure I agree that she primarily killed him so he couldn't have anyone else. Her manipulations of him saw to that. No, I think she killed him because he was finally going to expose her as the manipulating, psycho-biotch-from-Hell to everyone and she simply couldn't let that happen.

Things To Do
1- Stage break-in at G'parents shack / steal handgun (and maybe some other stuff) PS - don't forget to hide my laptop under dirty chonies in hamper!
2- Call Darryl / politely ask to borrow his gas cans (sound convincing)
3- Rent car 90 miles away (make sure non-descript color)
4...

 

[Zuri]

No, I think was very much the case. Their Mormon ward seems to have been the equivalent of a small town. Everyone knew everyone else, and everyone gossiped about everyone else.

It makes sense to me actually, given the pressure to have short courtships and to marry early. I know in that situation I'd be chatting up every person I could find to get Intel.

I remember at least several texts by Travis asking...what have you heard about me? What is my rep? Replies always were positive...that you are funny, successful, have a nice house, work for yourself.... (and no doubt in whispers....and that you still are in regular contact with that scary stalker who hangs all over you, WTH?).

The fact that he seemed to always need validation and his ego stroked made me sad. In one of the text message conversations with the Hughes, they speak about his being "rough around the edges".

The text messages struck me how he desperately needed attention and how lonely he was which is why I think he kept Heinous in the picture. Whenever he needed that validation, she was there. So many of the text messages revolved around his dating life, flirtations, soliciting compliments from more of the women he knew than men. Looking from the outside in, IMO he was incredibly insecure.

He held a lot of social functions in his home, inviting his friends and opening it up to friends of theirs. It was telling to me in one of the text exchanges with Lisa, that he was proud of how he decorated his home. When she asked about changing things should they get married and she moved in, he didn't seem to be open to that.

He wore some pretty garish suits from the photos I have seen. Very attention getting suits. On "Kelly and Michael", Michael Strahan spoke of how the rookies would dress in garish suits when they first entered the NFL and got that paycheck. He said the locker room looked like a "bag of skittles". The suits represented the " hey, look at me, I am successful and all that".

Appearance was everything. In one of the text exchanges, a woman friend asked if Travis would like to meet one of her friends, to which he replied, send me a pic. Once he saw the pic, he declined. IMO, Travis liked arm candy which he had with Heinous, Lisa and Mimi and some others. It was if their beauty and looks reinforced his self esteem. IMO

 

[RickshawFan]

Remember as well what he told a friend in early April, as she was on her way out of town-- that she was a great gal, and a better person then was. I've thought about what he meant and if he really felt that way.

I think he did mean it, and I think he believed her a better person because she always forgave HIM.

....Beatings are love.

Classic perspective of the domestic violence victim. Their abuser must be the better person. And yes, they come to the idea that "beatings" (of whatever kind) are love.

 

[Val1]

Well, I didn't say he was successful :facepalm:

Just the fact he said what he said (she was the better person etc) in light of all she had done, shows that for whatever reason, he was protecting her reputation. It may have been out of confusion as to what he was actually responsible for in the relationship, or that he felt that she didn't deserve public consequences for private matters, but for some reason he felt like giving her a break.

There is also the possibility that due to them "using" each other to boost their stats for PPL that there was an underlay of guilt, at least for TA, whether it was something everyone did or not. I can see that as the bond that just wouldn't quit and kept TA trying to stay "friends", whereas JA seemed to have found some other means of "passive income" and had decided to "cut the circuit" so it wouldn't interfere in her future plans.

 

[LinasK]

Hope4 .... say it ain't so!!! Truly appreciate all of your hard work and insights. I bolded part of your post because ... call me dumb. Been following along here, but I'm STILL confused about what day she left (at one point, I thought 'we' had settled on April 8th); and had decided the 'where are you? hope you're doing well, what ev' texts between JA and TA that day were likely generated by The Convict. Still don't get why he was so angry about the signed 'art' left behind.

Help?

Sorry, I'm not a BK member and am having brain farts trying to fill in the blanks.

Thanks, again, for keeping the rest of us up to speed.

I get that. By keeping her art at his place, it was a tie to continue to physically see him. I was once accused of that when I accidentally left my expensive sunglasses at the house of a guy I dated one time. In my case, I would never have left them on purpose, but he got so mad that he made sure to return them when he knew I wasn't home.

 

[LinasK]

I don't think it was as clear-cut as that. She never succeeded in cutting off his other friendships, which is a hallmark of domestic violence, and he was actively pursuing other relationships in the midst of dealing with her.

I'm not saying she wasn't playing serious head games with him, she was, but he was buying it less and less. I think ultimately she realized she was losing all control over him and as he knew too much about her to be a safe enemy, she had to eliminate him as a risk to her future plans in the Mormon community.

As I said, I think he was somewhat fascinated by the dynamic between them, and the effect he apparently had on her, and misread that as originating within himself to some degree and not solely due to her sickness. He was wrong about that.

At the same time, I don't think he ever felt really threatened by her, he was puzzled by the relationship and kept it going in order to find answers, and in finding them, maybe be able to help her as well as himself.

Just like her parents, he really didn't know what he was dealing with.

Yup! The Hughes's called him a sociopath, and he put on his blog about dating an ax-murderer,, and told someone from his church that if he was killed in the next week, Jodi did it, yet none of them really had any idea what she was capable of. She convinced him she wasn't the one who slashed his tires.

 

[LinasK]

It wasn't the trip to Cancun that motivated her to kill him imo. It was all she had revealed about herself to him in the processes of her manipulations (ie their 'relationship') that if revealed by him to the Mormon/PPL community would ostracize her and make it impossible to present the wholesome image she depended upon.

BBM. It pissed her off though, and I think it was the final straw. The computer records showed that someone had logged into Southwest Airlines (probably while he was in the shower) and checked on his tickets and the other ticket was in Mimi's name.

 

[Val1]

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/what-people-said-about-jodi-after-the-killing/

Interesting article again after reading the text messages.

Especially the comments section re her Bobby/Victor period(1997/98) where she allegedly had cut the phone lines and peeped through a bedroom window.

 

[Hope4More]

Yup! The Hughes's called him a sociopath, and he put on his blog about dating an ax-murderer,, and told someone from his church that if he was killed in the next week, Jodi did it, yet none of them really had any idea what she was capable of. She convinced him she wasn't the one who slashed his tires.

The Hughes have said after the fact they were so scared and alarmed the night she eavesdropped that they feared for their children's safety.

I have to think they couldn't have really believed her capable of physical violence , or they would not have joked with Travis many months later about her stalking behavior, which they both did.

If I knew anyone I cared about was involved with the kind of person she revealed herself to be months before she killed him, I would intervene in every way I knew how, no matter the risk to friendship. I can't imagine how any normal person could be expected to sense what she was ultimately capable of, but enough was known about her to be really scary, IMO.

 

[LinasK]

I guess Heinous never took the polygraph about the tire slashing that she offered to take and pay for. So sad how much he wanted to believe she had nothing to do with it. IMO

She would've passed it. Sociopaths and psychopaths are able to pass them because they exhibit no emotion, or they really believe their own lies. On the other hand you have people like me who start shaking when they get pulled over for a traffic ticket. That's why they're not admissible in court.

 

[Steve44]

BBM. It pissed her off though, and I think it was the final straw. The computer records showed that someone had logged into Southwest Airlines (probably while he was in the shower) and checked on his tickets and the other ticket was in Mimi's name.

Sounds like she just wanted to make sure he'd be home when she got there.

 

[Hope4More]

Interesting. . @lightningbug111

 

[b_lab7410]

She would've passed it. Sociopaths and psychopaths are able to pass them because they exhibit no emotion, or they really believe their own lies. On the other hand you have people like me who start shaking when they get pulled over for a traffic ticket. That's why they're not admissible in court.

Aww, same here, LinasK.


---> I has not been here in a while, woah, multiple threads, lots of activity!

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Sounds like she just wanted to make sure he'd be home when she got there.

Thirty minutes after some one checked that Southwest site Travis was dead .

 

[MistyM]

There is also the possibility that due to them "using" each other to boost their stats for PPL that there was an underlay of guilt, at least for TA, whether it was something everyone did or not. I can see that as the bond that just wouldn't quit and kept TA trying to stay "friends", whereas JA seemed to have found some other means of "passive income" and had decided to "cut the circuit" so it wouldn't interfere in her future plans.

please take this with a grain of salt, as my sleeping pills are kicking in for the night and i may not articulate myself properly.

the whole thing about boosting stats of PPL members (say for example jodi gave travis leads to help him make quota for the cancun trip? maybe she resented him for taking someone else since she helped him)

could she perhaps have threatened him, saying once PPL finds out you haven't really been successful without my help (and perhaps a few others) caused a big fight between them?

maybe he felt he owed her something for how she helped him. kind of a blackmail that would make him look like a fraud with his work peers? he would kinda end up sorta having to do what she wanted, while in his head simultaneously trying to back away from the situation.

it also works with the book he was writing. she never felt she got enough credit so after trying to blakmail him she just decided to go full on psycho and kill him.

make any sense?

 

[Steve44]

Thirty minutes after some one checked that Southwest site Travis was dead .

Wow, so she was just gloating over the trip Travis wouldn't be taking, if it was her.

 

[Hope4More]

please take this with a grain of salt, as my sleeping pills are kicking in for the night and i may not articulate myself properly.

the whole thing about boosting stats of PPL members (say for example jodi gave travis leads to help him make quota for the cancun trip? maybe she resented him for taking someone else since she helped him)

could she perhaps have threatened him, saying once PPL finds out you haven't really been successful without my help (and perhaps a few others) caused a big fight between them?

maybe he felt he owed her something for how she helped him. kind of a blackmail that would make him look like a fraud with his work peers? he would kinda end up sorta having to do what she wanted, while in his head simultaneously trying to back away from the situation.

it also works with the book he was writing. she never felt she got enough credit so after trying to blakmail him she just decided to go full on psycho and kill him.

make any sense?

Thing is, he didn't make any secret about the fact he was short that one month. He called all around asking folks to donate points, and said he'd pay them back in points in the following month.

I don't know anything about PPL, but it sounded like the quota he was trying to meet was purely optional- more about bragging rights and perks than meeting an obligatory bottom line of any kind.

Sleep well.

 

[Hope4More]

Wow, so she was just gloating over the trip Travis wouldn't be taking, if it was her.

Or stoking her own rage as she waited downstairs in his office for him to get in the shower?