Serious DNA discussion

[twinkiesmom]

Linask and SD, answer it for yourself.

Why does the note have numerous novice misspellings and grammatical errors in it? Why, at the same time, is the compostion obviously adult and very organized. Why are there corrections all over the place?

Ah, that's easy....journalism graduate out of the workforce for 10+ years.

An ESL student would not have conjugated all the verbs correctly...Someone without a college rhetoric background would be unlikely to use a caret (editing symbol).

 

[angelwngs]

Intentional errors would make the RN look as if it was not written by a journalism major...

 

[BBB167893]

Ah, that's easy....journalism graduate out of the workforce for 10+ years.

An ESL student would not have conjugated all the verbs correctly...Someone without a college rhetoric background would be unlikely to use a caret (editing symbol).

Much obliged.

Because an adult composed the ransom note as distinct from some kid e.g. Burke. The mistakes are either fake or genuine, who cares since the Ransom Note is patently staging, and crime-staging is never perfectly staged.

Well said, UKGuy.

And why doesn't anyone mention the damn profile: an educated Southern woman around 40 years of age.

 

[LinasK]

LinasK can give you her own answer. As for me, I go back to the "panic" thing.

I'm in agreement. The misspellings and bad grammar were attempts on Patsy's part to deflect attention away from herself not realizing the sophisticated vocabulary she'd used elsewhere. Time was of the essence and she was highly stressed when she wrote it so of course her writing is shaky! I think the FBI profilers know far more about the writer than HOH's guesses.

 

[angelwngs]

I'm in agreement. The misspellings and bad grammar were attempts on Patsy's part to deflect attention away from herself not realizing the sophisticated vocabulary she'd used elsewhere. Time was of the essence and she was highly stressed when she wrote it so of course her writing is shaky! I think the FBI profilers know far more about the writer than HOH's guesses.

...and if BPB had not botched the crime scene to such an extent as they did there would have been an arrest prior to a number one suspect's death.

 

[BBB167893]

...and if BPB had not botched the crime scene to such an extent as they did there would have been an arrest prior to a number one suspect's death.

Instead of trashing the BPD, John Ramsey ought to THANK them!

Even if there had been an arrest, but what then? The botches the BPD made are small and quickly eaten potatoes compared to the botches the DA has made!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Intentional errors would make the RN look as if it was not written by a journalism major...

Intentional errors are your claim that has no basis in fact. This uses a reasoning method that could only be likened to 'force balancing' in accounting. . You're taking a phenomenon and forcing it into RDI by modifying the RDI scenario by whatever means to suit the new information, which seems foolhardy if you're really, sincerely looking for a solution.

If the RN was instead a book report, the JR High School teacher would mark it down for sloppy scribblings, for misspellings, for 'hence a earlier' grammar, and I'm sure other things. The grade would not be that good, but the teacher would probably give a better grade for the composition, and would wonder where the adult themes came from (attache, proper burial, etc).

A journalism professor wouldn't waste their time reading it.

Sometimes an orange is just an orange. The fact is, this appears to be an adult author who would not have impressed a high school English teacher at all.

But RDI thinks they cleverly see a journalism major past the crude, weak masking attempt (just so happens PR is one). When really what is presented is an adult suspect who demonstrated sub-high school skills and who felt a need to make corrections as he went. An adult student of English.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,

mmm, so what can you conclude from your own statement?

The above items were found in the house as was the legal pad, size-12's, longjohns, broken paintbrush etc. None of these items have been linked to any intruder, the working assumption is that whomever killed JonBenet sourced these items in the house.

One mystery blunt instrument discovered in the house complete with the fingerprints wiped clean both on the inside and outside was the flashlight!

So whilst my assumptions are based upon artifacts within the Ramsey household it appears yours rely on fantasy and wishful thinking.

Its not just me, UKGUy. Crimelibrary still refers to the cord and tape as 'unsourced to the house'. I'll slow down: THERE WERE NO REMNANTS OR PACKAGING OR ANY OTHER USE FOUND FOR THE CORD OR THE TAPE. This is a well known fact and I'm a little surprised you're not aware of it. You can't make up stories about slings or receipts if they don't truly exist.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Now you humor me.
I'll try.

The writer had no problem with big, multisyllable words like, "attache," "underestimate," "countermeasures."

This astute observation narrows it down to at least 100 million, of which PR and the perp are included.

The writer showed concern for John's well-being.

Thats why the writer killed his daughter? Are you real? The author was controlling JR, not caring for him. The whole point of the RN, in case you missed it, was to keep JR busy doing nothing. Resting is doing nothing.

Concern for JB getting a proper burial

This is very telling. It means the author is of some class or distinction, even in crime.

Writes acronyms in a way not taught for 40 plus years.

Makes the author about 50-60, which I would agree.

Writes in a passive voice as if there's not need for real action

True.

The author requested real inaction instead. Dont call police, get rest you'll need it, wait for a call. At the time the note was written, JBR was to be kidnapped, IMO. The note was intended for a JBR missing from the house.
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How does that fit an EASL?

You tell me. Its an adult that has sub-high school English skills OVERALL, not just here and there misspelled words.

 

[BBB167893]

The writer showed concern for John's well-being.

Thats why the writer killed his daughter? Are you real? The author was controlling JR, not caring for him. The whole point of the RN, in case you missed it, was to keep JR busy doing nothing. Resting is doing nothing.

First of all, I'm very real about that. Not only me. I didn't just come up with that one out of thin air, Holdon. I had a little help from the pros. Let's hear from one now.

Robert K. Ressler is the founder of the FBI Behavioral Sciences Unit. He said, quote:
"There's almost a maternal quality to comments like, I advise you to be rested. A hardened criminal would never use those terms."

And he's not alone, Holdon. He and his colleagues like Clint Van Zandt and Roger DePue, et al., studied the note and the profile of the note writer is not an EASL foreign agent, but a middle-aged white woman from the South. Don't blame me. Take it up with them.

This is very telling. It means the author is of some class or distinction, even in crime.

Then we understand each other.

Makes the author about 50-60, which I would agree.

You mean now, or at the time of the killing?

The author requested real inaction instead. Dont call police, get rest you'll need it, wait for a call. At the time the note was written, JBR was to be kidnapped, IMO.

And the Ramseys disobeyed every instruction in it. And in the most careless ways.

The note was intended for a JBR missing from the house.

Really? Because the pros (and me) figure it was an excuse for just the opposite. Let's walk through this:

1) The note said not to call police or talk to anyone. If they did, JB would die.

2) They disobeyed flagrantly.

Equals= JB is found dead.

Quite simple, really.

You tell me.

I think I just did.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

First of all, I'm very real about that. Not only me. I didn't just come up with that one out of thin air, Holdon. I had a little help from the pros. Let's hear from one now.

Robert K. Ressler is the founder of the FBI Behavioral Sciences Unit. He said, quote:
"There's almost a maternal quality to comments like, I advise you to be rested. A hardened criminal would never use those terms."

And he's not alone, Holdon. He and his colleagues like Clint Van Zandt and Roger DePue, et al., studied the note and the profile of the note writer is not an EASL foreign agent, but a middle-aged white woman from the South. Don't blame me. Take it up with them.

I like how you place yourself alongside these others, and claim that they believe what you believe. It is a claim, and my opinion is that if you presented your white woman from the south idea to these pros, they wouldn't know what the he** you were talking about.

In actual fact, Clint Van Zandt stated that the note, with its salutation Victory! harked back to foreign powers, that the perp commanded authority, and was used to exerting authority over others. Nowhere was mentioned 'white woman'.

Where do you get this stuff?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

SD, please ask me permission to use one of my post sentences outside its original context, as if using my words to create a new conversation that I wasn't part of. TY.

 

[BBB167893]

SD, please ask me permission to use one of my post sentences outside its original context, as if using my words to create a new conversation that I wasn't part of. TY.

I didn't mean anything by it.

 

[BBB167893]

I like how you place yourself alongside these others, and claim that they believe what you believe.

I don't have to claim anything. My life is not so empty that I have to fantasize about being one of these guys. I was still an IDI when they came out with this stuff. I resent your implication.

It is a claim, and my opinion is that if you presented your white woman from the south idea to these pros, they wouldn't know what the he** you were talking about.

I don't have to present it to them. THEY presented it! I'm not saying anything they haven't.

In actual fact, Clint Van Zandt stated that the note, with its salutation Victory! harked back to foreign powers, that the perp commanded authority, and was used to exerting authority over others. Nowhere was mentioned 'white woman'.

Where do you get this stuff?

WHERE?!

Well, for starters, back in 2006, when JMK (NOW look what you made me do!) was all over the news, he was interviewed many times. And during one on MSNBC, he said that the note writer was a woman.

Try this: Internet poster koldkase saw retired FBI agent Clint van Zandt answer questions on a book tour. In responding to questions, he asserted that he had been one of several FBI agents asked by LE to work up a profile of the RN writer. He claimed that within a couple of weeks after the murder, they had determined the RN writer was a well-educated female between the ages of 29 and 40 who knew the family and knew the home well; they further deduced that JonBenet was already dead when the RN was written. The caring and nurturing language in the note--"be well rested," etc. helped convince them the writer was female.

If that's not a big enough help, you could ask KoldKase personally. I think KK is lurking about here somewhere.

Where do YOU get this stuff from Clint Van Zandt?

As for the "White woman" part, that was from Robert K. Ressler.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

WHERE?!

Well, for starters, back in 2006, when JMK (NOW look what you made me do!) was all over the news, he was interviewed many times. And during one on MSNBC, he said that the note writer was a woman.

Try this: Internet poster koldkase saw retired FBI agent Clint van Zandt answer questions on a book tour. In responding to questions, he asserted that he had been one of several FBI agents asked by LE to work up a profile of the RN writer. He claimed that within a couple of weeks after the murder, they had determined the RN writer was a well-educated female between the ages of 29 and 40 who knew the family and knew the home well; they further deduced that JonBenet was already dead when the RN was written. The caring and nurturing language in the note--"be well rested," etc. helped convince them the writer was female.

If that's not a big enough help, you could ask KoldKase personally. I think KK is lurking about here somewhere.

Where do YOU get this stuff from Clint Van Zandt?

As for the "White woman" part, that was from Robert K. Ressler.

Yeah but if you ignore the RN, and just consider the victim, you dont get a 'white woman from the south', do you?

Sexually assaulted 6 year old girl that was then murdered by strangulation. Unfortunately THAT has happened before many times, and almost exclusively by adult men. Sorry SD but statistics strongly favor a male perp (JBR wasn't killed by a ransom note).

What a coincidence, unknown male DNA found in JBR's underwear, matches DNA found also on her longjohns. Sortof rules out the old RDI favorite factory worker theory, doesn't it?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I'm in agreement. The misspellings and bad grammar were attempts on Patsy's part to deflect attention away from herself not realizing the sophisticated vocabulary she'd used elsewhere. Time was of the essence and she was highly stressed when she wrote it so of course her writing is shaky! I think the FBI profilers know far more about the writer than HOH's guesses.

I don't get this. You think that PR used sophisticated vocabulary when she wrote the RN?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Oh Puh-leze.numerous misspellings? it had 2 at the beginning,and then the writer forgot to misspell after that.
corrections? because the author wasn't a real Kn, and forgot basic things like KN's don't drop off their victims...they have someone pick them up.
what other errors do you mean? it didn't contain anything that would indicate a foreigner,not even the experts have said it could be written by anyone who first language isn't English.

There's probably a million foreigners out there whose English is better than mine or yours. What about that? And the English doesn't have to be that good to have written the RN.

In fact, the RN has an international flare to it. Some of the expressions suggest a multi-cultured person. Attache is a little more European than American, Victory! and fat-cat are a little more leftist revolutionary e.g. Russia, Venezuela, or Cuba, than American. Not only does the author state they're foreign, but they don't like the US. I just can't believe that, can you?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Victory! is leftist revolutionary (according to FBI profiler Clint VanZandt), and most leftist revolutionary countries don't 'respect' the US, right?

TY JMO!

 

[BBB167893]

Yeah but if you ignore the RN, and just consider the victim, you dont get a 'white woman from the south', do you?

Come again? Okay, I get what you're saying, I think. And if you're trying to tell me that this crime had to be done by a man, I'll save you a lot of trouble. Although, I do think a man was involved.

Sexually assaulted 6 year old girl that was then murdered by strangulation. Unfortunately THAT has happened before many times, and almost exclusively by adult men.

I get you. I have an idea what you're saying. There's just one big problem, Holdon. Those cases don't resemble this one in the least. Danielle Van Dam, Samantha Runnion, Polly Klaas, Jessica Lunsford, etc. WERE killed by male assailants. Trouble is, they were all, without exception, taken out of the home without a note left, brutally done in outside of their homes, and dumped in various stages of undress outside the home. JonBenet was killed inside her home with a staged crime scene and a phony note. It's not just my opinion that it's apples and handgrenades. Nancy Grace and Marc Klaas were kind enough to point that out to Lin Wood back in 2002 when he had the gall to pull that bit. He certainly could use the reminder. He's not a well man, and I'm sure it's hard for him to keep up with it all. Sometimes I think that thing on his head isn't a toupee at all, but a furry parasite that's eating away his brain. It certainly hasn't done any wonders for his ethics, dignity, morals, etc.

Sorry SD but statistics strongly favor a male perp (JBR wasn't killed by a ransom note).

Are you SURE you want to go down that trail, pilgrim? Because statistics strongly favor a parent as perp, as well. As for her not being killed by the ransom note, I assure you I appreciate the humor of that remark. And you're right, as far as it goes. The person who wrote the note is not NECESSARILY the killer.

What a coincidence, unknown male DNA found in JBR's underwear, matches DNA found also on her longjohns. Sortof rules out the old RDI favorite factory worker theory, doesn't it?

Maybe. I was reading a few articles today that put this new DNA testing method in a less than favorable light. With a crime scene this contaminated, you'll excuse me if I err on the side of caution and hold out for more developments. Fair is fair, right?

 

[BBB167893]

I don't get this. You think that PR used sophisticated vocabulary when she wrote the RN?

If she doesn't, I do! Not only me.