I don't need to be the one to have "explanations" for questions that no one else can explain; not being able to explain how SG was murdered (which I don't necessarily believe anyway) does not ipso facto make her murder an impossibility. The unusual circumstances of SGs disappearance and death warrant investigation and speculative thinking; in any case, one hasn't "proved" something just because others can't "prove" the opposite.
I think, before accusing someone of murder, one should have evidence, or if not that, at least a plausible explanation how this is possible. But maybe it's only me, who hates slander without substance.
In that speculative mode, though, there's any number of "answers" that aren't outside the realm of possibility.So, at 'em:
No, you've identified that yourself - your previous sentence was "since so many of you believe". Forensic evidence goes to the cops, beliefs are talked about on internet message boards designed for that (like this one). Further, having "beliefs" or "theories" is entirely justified where you have cases that are not open-and-shut, and where there's a surplus of bizarre coincidences.
Now I really would like to hear the woners about what's the sense of this board :floorlaugh: I have such a feeling, they don't see it as forum for "beliefs". And there is a profound difference between "belief", which denies the necessity of prove or even reality, and "theories" which is technically a working hypothesis including all known facts and laws of nature. As discussed in an entirely different case, one can "believe" a bullet changed direction three times in three inches way without hitting anything that would enforce such a change of trajection. But one can't "theoretize" the very same thing, because it is against all laws of physics.
Purely speculatively, you mean? Just as speculatively as saying "sure, there's nothing odd about a hooker winding up dead next to a bunch of other hookers, after yelling that was someone was trying to kill her?".
"Speculatively" includes too much of the possibility to conjecture just more people in the conspiracy, more guns, who knows, more WMDs, the wizard of Oz, Varus lost legions and whatnot. So I would prefer the term "theorize", which at least would bind the theory to the realm of the possible.
And, since every year between 100 and 200 women disappear alone in NYC under suspicious circumstances, nope, it's not that unusual. And given, that there are only two areas left for dump sites in the area, it's inevitable, some vicinity comes up. I mean, heck, in TX in the I-45 corridor, things are so full, SKs have to reuse the dump sites of other SKs.
And yes, the most common thing in cases of drug induced paranoia is the delusion, someone wants to kill the druggie. So, not si unusual either.
Okay, then. Who said the killer is in the house and able to intervene while SG is on the phone for 18 minutes? There's 4 billion people in the world, but only two (or sometimes three) in the house with SG when she's on the phone call. Maybe one of those other billions did it. Just hypothetically, I mean.
Probably nobody else was in the house, just as a wild guess.
Just a wild guess? Based on what? Because if it is based on nothing, it's not a guess, it's a conjecture.
Again, not being able to reconstruct, or guess at, events does not mean that events didn't occur. She walked out the door. JB was glad to be rid of her, apparently. The drifter is just some stoner. MP just wants to go home and get some sleep. But even if you also clear every neighbor who's been mentioned on this board, it doesn't mean that SG necessarily drowned (or had a heart attack or OD'd). There may have been a reason she felt threatened, she may indeed have come in harm's way, and her proximity to a dump site full of girls with her occupation makes it worthy of discussion.
Nope, it doesn't make it worth a discussion, because Shannan Gilbert couldn't have known about the dump site. She couldn't been feared by what she hadn't the first idea about. Unless your theory includes in the next step, how she would break the time-space-continuum to look about 7 months in the future, the idea is already here dead in the water.
It seems clear he felt he'd already seen enough of her.
She was high, she was bipolar, she was freaking out. Doesn't mean she wasn't killed.
Nope, it means, she was prone to accidents and didn't react anymore in a way, one would consider "normal". But right, it doesn't exclude the possibility of murder per se. Which is irrelevant because it is only the explanation why she did, what she, corroborated by the location, she was found in, by the location her belongings were found and a witness testimony, actually did.
Events were forced upon him instead of him having the upper hand, and he did a bit of freaking out himself, that would be one way to go. How about this one - he didn't even plan to kill SG, but was in the neighborhood and the opportunity presented itself, so he made quick work of it, then tipped the cops where the body was in hopes that his other site would be discovered because he wanted to read about himself in the newspaper while embarrassing the police. An explanation like that is pretty crazy, right? But do scenarios that crazy actually occur? I think they do, sometimes. More to the point, though, it's impossible (right now) to absolutely disprove any theories, far-flung or otherwise, because no one knows what happened - and the "logical" explanations are rather illogical themselves.
No, scenarios like that normally don't occur. Either an SK craves attention or he doesn't. Those who doesn't will only contact families, media or the police to place a good red herring. In this case, LISK hasn't written letters, didn't send emails, didn't inject himself a second time into the investigation, so it's obviously, he gives sh** about the newspapers unless he reads his real name there. So, any out of the blue wish to read his name in the newspapers is a real stretch, especially, since he could have it easier. And hey, SG was out there seven months till any media articles were written and then not even primarily about SG. So no, such scenarios don't occur. Reality, please!
The other thing is, LISK doesn't strike when "opportunity presents". He is a stalker type. He is medium to high organized. He thinks things through. He just doesn't strike when opportunity presents itself. And he doesn't "make quick work of it" because he kills to get something out of it.
The permanently repeated line of "no one knows" is basically nothing else but ignorance about the things we know. A good theory has to include all of those details and in a way, that is at least possible.
Your last few questions pretty much tie in to my answers above, so I'll skip the "anything could have happened" answer for each.
So I take my shot at it here and don't need to repeat. Not anything can happen. What can happen has to be in the realm of physical laws (for example no time warps to make someone know something, that wasn't known at the time). It has also to be at least possible when it comes to human behavior (also SKs have reasons. Reasons, you wouldn't consider normal, but reasons which are real for the SK). And whatever happened, it shouldn't include whole populations, PDs, weapons of which nobody ever heard a word and other auxiliary constructs out of conjecture to make it barely possible. So, NOT anything can happen.
Things might not have been the way they seem at all, which is given credence by the the fact that the "way they seem" is so bizarre in the first place. There is so little true clarity in the case, which naturally leads to conjecture.
Well, it seems bizarre, but study some dozen SK cases very carefully and you see the same patterns and after this point, things become pretty clear. I wouldn't kill for the reasons, LISK does, I wouldn't kill at all if I can avoid it. But then, LISK sees that different, obviously. So the relevant point is not what we think, the relevant point is, what he thinks. Which is why I try to get in his mind. And since my success quota was in the last few cases not so bad (100% over the last three, maybe I can get me a fourth next time and about 90% over the last dozen), I guess, I should stick with it, even I get tired of the discussions why everything from that angle is wrong. I have heard all of this "anything can happen", "you have no evidence", "profiling doesn't work" lines before. Not once, every time. And I ended up every time with at least 80-90% hit ratio, even down to very little details. And subsequently, I heard the lines "that was only luck" or "what an ******* (referencing to me)". Not once, every time. So sorry, but I don't give a damn about those lines anymore. Because I know, from experience, what I'm capable of and how far I can trust my perception.
So, put aside all this "bizarre", this "weird", so it as a mechanism of motivation (why does he kill)
signature (how does he kill, what is important to him)
victimology (who does he kill, exactly)
and then you see, why LISK wouldn't strike on a whim. Just that. Sometimes, things are as they appear. They are only less loud and colorful as other things nearby and thus are not noticed. Lets face it, when people see photos of mutilated bodies for example, they are so busy to vomit, they don't even think to ask, "why did the killer do this, why this mutilation on this victim?" And later, when they are done vomiting, they complain, there is so little true clarity.
So, there are two ways, to see this case. Either we can speculate about conspiracies which involve at least four persons, maybe more, guns out of the nothing, time warp technology and arbitrary time stretching or we can go to work. And before someone feels the urge to add that. Of course, my opinion is MY OPINION , which should be obvious.
