Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. What do you think?

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Oh, one more thing.
And he needs to have cojones as big as his ego.

may i please disagree with you?
our mystery cop man needs to be really smart
have a lot of experience in law enforcement and investigations
and ..possible experience in investigation with serial murderers

so..... who in the cop gene pool might fit that bill?


big ego aint gonna solve the case.
intelligence, experience, common sense, brains
a 6th sense and an easy going kind of cop kind of guy
will solve the case.

you want him to come up with something that NO ONE ELSE HAS
and that is called the truth.
and that is something that we have ALL BEEN DENIED

 

[Samantha Spade]

To kill a mockingbird.
He is going to have to know who's who in the zoo. and he needs confidence that comes with experience dealing with some really dangerous people. Especially if what Hawk has been saying is true.

 

[fred&edna]

may i please disagree with you?
our mystery cop man needs to be really smart
have a lot of experience in law enforcement and investigations
and ..possible experience in investigation with serial murderers

so..... who in the cop gene pool might fit that bill?


big ego aint gonna solve the case.
intelligence, experience, common sense, brains
a 6th sense and an easy going kind of cop kind of guy
will solve the case.

you want him to come up with something that NO ONE ELSE HAS
and that is called the truth.
and that is something that we have ALL BEEN DENIED

I concur... but a big pair just might be advantageous (considering all the big egos already residing on LI)

 

[Samantha Spade]

Maybe ego was the wrong choice of word. But church bells sounds so cliche.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Maybe ego was the wrong choice of word. But church bells sounds so cliche.

After I read through all those requirements, I get the impression, what we need is no PI. We need to bribe one of the SCPD detectives to do his job and play some of the evidence in our hands. Because an outside PI can't get any nearer to what SCPD hides in their evidence locker than any of us can.

Peter

 

[Samantha Spade]

If ones hired by the family, i think they are required to share what they have with the PI.
But not sure about NY law on that.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

After I read through all those requirements, I get the impression, what we need is no PI. We need to bribe one of the SCPD detectives to do his job and play some of the evidence in our hands. Because an outside PI can't get any nearer to what SCPD hides in their evidence locker than any of us can.

Peter

but if you were at a suffolk cop drinking hole
and senior top inspector stuart cameron happened to sit next to you
at the bar....

i'd LOVE to be a fly on the wall.

just.....dreaming.......

:fence::fence::fence::fence::fence::fence:

 

[WINDSOR]

After I read through all those requirements, I get the impression, what we need is no PI. We need to bribe one of the SCPD detectives to do his job and play some of the evidence in our hands. Because an outside PI can't get any nearer to what SCPD hides in their evidence locker than any of us can.

Peter

You are probably correct that providing a SCPD detective with financial motivation would work. With a reward available from a private fund, it might do the trick

MOO

 

[Samantha Spade]

Uh, guys....Isn't that considered bribery? I'm pretty sure that is illegal these days.
Unless of course there is corruption going on and in that case it would be considered whistleblowing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Uh, guys....Isn't that considered bribery? I'm pretty sure that is illegal these days.
Unless of course there is corruption going on and in that case it would be considered whistleblowing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You are right. And it is sad, that one has even to consider it, only to make SCPD do some of the work which would be normally in their job description anyway - like catching a serial killer. I tried a lot. I sent them mails, I provoked them in the radio show, no reaction. Honestly, someone showing that little reaction would be normally considered dead.
But you're right, technically, it's bribery of a police officer and as such a felony, I guess.

Peter

 

[Samantha Spade]

Yep. I thought so.
We must remember: It's the killer or killers we want in jail! Not any of us just trying to help out.

 

[Adler]

If the SK is back in town, has anybody made an effort to warn those in the escort business to take extra care during the next week in regards to their safety? Is there a way to post on Craigslist or Backpage? I am not sure how to do that. If somebody here can do that, please do. And have a lovely, safe, fun weekend wherein nobody else gets murdered and placed off the Parkway like the others in the past.

 

[hawkshaw]

Uh, guys....Isn't that considered bribery? I'm pretty sure that is illegal these days.
Unless of course there is corruption going on and in that case it would be considered whistleblowing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Bribery for a police officer is really paying a cop to NOT do something they are supposed to do.

As I understand the above posts it was suggested someone pay the cops TO DO something that are supposed to do. Some would say their paycheck is supposed to cover that.

For some of those cops the clock doesn't start ticking until they are on overtime.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Bribery for a police officer is really paying a cop to NOT do something they are supposed to do.

As I understand the above posts it was suggested someone pay the cops TO DO something that are supposed to do. Some would say their paycheck is supposed to cover that.

For some of those cops the clock doesn't start ticking until they are on overtime.

so they live in cop world.


:seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya:

 

[Maddalenasgirl]

Spota said. "The causes of death appear to be substantially similar, but we're not going to go into any further aspect of that at this time."

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13903767

But, a family member of MB was reported as the stating her COD was asphyxiation (and it's been discussed previously as to why this is so). Thus, I have been under the assumption that ligature rather than manual strangulation was the likely (substantially similar) cause of death for MBB, MW and ALC.

I want to think SG also shared this similar cod. However, the hyoid bone is most often fractured/damaged with manual strangulation rather than ligature strangulation (which usually damages thyroid/additional neck cartilage). So, I don't think the missing hyoid bone is of much significance anyway... I guess the perp could have changed methods in SG's case.



jmo, (as always)

I have a very good friend who is an anthropologist and she made a point to mention to me back in December, when Shannon was found, that if the hyoid bone was broken or missing, it was likely strangulation. What is the issue here?Why are they trying to call it something other than murder???

 

[Maddalenasgirl]

I tried to stimulate a fund raising program for a reward fund, or maybe as someone suggested to hire a PI.

Understandably this forum does not allow any fund raising activity through the forum.

Does somebody have the ability to set up an ethical internet based fund raising campaign so we can generate some money for a substantial reward and hire an effective Private Investigator.

It appears to me that there is a consensus among most of us Sleuthers that the SCPD will never solve these cases and in fact, they are likely an impediment to a solution.

Ideas, suggestions and volunteers please!

MOO

Not sure how to set up but I will certainly donate

 

[Peter Brendt]

If the SK is back in town, has anybody made an effort to warn those in the escort business to take extra care during the next week in regards to their safety? Is there a way to post on Craigslist or Backpage? I am not sure how to do that. If somebody here can do that, please do. And have a lovely, safe, fun weekend wherein nobody else gets murdered and placed off the Parkway like the others in the past.

That's with delay, but how hard would it be to create an extra threat with actual SK warnings. Kind of severe weather warnings for potential victim groups. It would need to be readable by guests and good to find right away from the home site of WS. No commenting, just a kind of warning board. I mean, we sit here on more information all over the information than any singe PD has. Just thinking. And if a mod has some technical ideas to that, please jump in!

Peter

 

[Peter Brendt]

I have a very good friend who is an anthropologist and she made a point to mention to me back in December, when Shannon was found, that if the hyoid bone was broken or missing, it was likely strangulation. What is the issue here?Why are they trying to call it something other than murder???

Those were skeletal remains. Small bones disappear first. But however, even if you believe, it was murder, you would need evidence for an arrest. And then if you believe it was the LISK's work, you need evidence to connect SG's death to the GB4. At the moment, it doesn't look like anybody has anything of that.

Peter

 

[Tugela]

Those were skeletal remains. Small bones disappear first. But however, even if you believe, it was murder, you would need evidence for an arrest. And then if you believe it was the LISK's work, you need evidence to connect SG's death to the GB4. At the moment, it doesn't look like anybody has anything of that.

Peter

Unfortunately many people believe that if something is said often enough by enough people it becomes evidence.

 

[Tugela]

Some months ago, a freind asked a PD in Ohio about a case from 1962. They couldn't give any information, the case was still open and the PD was still investigating. Yeah, right! I see that coming in Suffolk County too.

Peter

A case is allways open until it is resolved. They don't call an unresolved case closed.