Sheehan Arrested at Whitehouse

[jannuncutt]

I agree with everything you just said.

I've really got to tell ya, Martha - I have been agreeing with all of your posts on this thread!

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

No one said they did. But it was being argued that since they volunteered they shouldn't protest an illegitimate war.

Since our legislators and President are stewards of our precious young people, we depend on them to make the right decisions about whether to risk their lives or not; an especially to give them the best equipment and planning possible.

When you join the armed forces, you sign a contract with the United States government, which details, in very specific langauge, what you can and can't do while under its employ. You surrender certain things in exchange for certain benefits. If every soldier had the right to refuse to serve as he/she saw fit, the military would fall apart within 2 weeks. In reality, the only way you will have the peoplein charge being more cautious regarding where and how we utilize our troops is if the draft is reinstated. That way EVERYONE'S kids are at risk, not just the sons and daughters of the inner city, rural communities & foreigners looking to gain citizenship. The Romans decided they were too good to serve in their own army, and look where it got them.

 

[jannuncutt]

Well, that says it all, doesn't it?

Not to me, it doesn't. She is his Mother - she gave him birth - not them.

 

[Marthatex]

When you join the armed forces, you sign a contract with the United States government, which details, in very specific langauge, what you can and can't do while under its employ. You surrender certain things in exchange for certain benefits. If every soldier had the right to refuse to serve as he/she saw fit, the military would fall apart within 2 weeks. In reality, the only way you will have the peoplein charge being more cautious regarding where and how we utilize our troops is if the draft is reinstated. That way EVERYONE'S kids are at risk, not just the sons and daughters of the inner city, rural communities & foreigners looking to gain citizenship. The Romans decided they were too good to serve in their own army, and look where it got them.

The decision to go to war should have nothing to do with who's in our army and whether they volunteered or not.

Colin Powell got up and delivered a speech to the U.N. that unknowingly to him was filled with falsehoods. We should not have gone to war. Period.

 

[JDB]

The decision to go to war should have nothing to do with who's in our army and whether they volunteered or not.

Colin Powell got up and delivered a speech to the U.N. that unknowingly to him was filled with falsehoods. We should not have gone to war. Period.

We should not have done a lot of things. Like knowing way back before Bush took office that there was plans for an attack on US soil. Did we do anything NO!!!!!!! We sat on our hands knowing of the threat.We should have not sent troops to Bosina . We should have not gone to Viet Nam. There are alot of things we should not have done. But we being in The US did. And Mrs Sheehans got what she wanted from the git go in the public eyes and arrested. And I turly feel sorry for all the other families that have lost love one in IRAQ. In fact there is a lady here in the Bay area who lost her son to friendly fire which was covered up by the Army. She was with Sheehan in DC to protest. But she also has a level head to listen to the Army about what actually happened and was satisfied the Miltary are doing there best to correct the wrong. And yes she flew home on Monday after her one on one.

America either we stand behind it or we all sit back and watch as it dissovle in to utter turmoil.

 

[jannuncutt]

We should not have done a lot of things. Like knowing way back before Bush took office that there was plans for an attack on US soil. Did we do anything NO!!!!!!! We sat on our hands knowing of the threat.We should have not sent troops to Bosina . We should have not gone to Viet Nam. There are alot of things we should not have done. But we being in The US did. And Mrs Sheehans got what she wanted from the git go in the public eyes and arrested. And I turly feel sorry for all the other families that have lost love one in IRAQ. In fact there is a lady here in the Bay area who lost her son to friendly fire which was covered up by the Army. She was with Sheehan in DC to protest. But she also has a level head to listen to the Army about what actually happened and was satisfied the Miltary are doing there best to correct the wrong. And yes she flew home on Monday after her one on one.

America either we stand behind it or we all sit back and watch as it dissovle in to utter turmoil.

I believe that Cindy Sheehan's protests are against Bush and his policies - not the U.S. Military. Also, standing behind America does not necessarily mean standing behind Bush.

 

[JDB]

I believe that Cindy Sheehan's protests are against Bush and his policies - not the U.S. Military.

OHHH But who is the commander and Chief of the Miltary Also I think she is more upset that he will not give her a one on one. Now if every parent wife or Husband asked for that from the president how much time would that take. The lady from the Bay area went the correct route she went to the army for answers.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

We should not have done a lot of things. Like knowing way back before Bush took office that there was plans for an attack on US soil. Did we do anything NO!!!!!!! We sat on our hands knowing of the threat.We should have not sent troops to Bosina . We should have not gone to Viet Nam. There are alot of things we should not have done. But we being in The US did. And Mrs Sheehans got what she wanted from the git go in the public eyes and arrested. And I turly feel sorry for all the other families that have lost love one in IRAQ. In fact there is a lady here in the Bay area who lost her son to friendly fire which was covered up by the Army. She was with Sheehan in DC to protest. But she also has a level head to listen to the Army about what actually happened and was satisfied the Miltary are doing there best to correct the wrong. And yes she flew home on Monday after her one on one.

America either we stand behind it or we all sit back and watch as it dissovle in to utter turmoil.

YEAH!!!! WHAT HE SAID!!!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[dasgal]

OHHH But who is the commander and Chief of the Miltary

Karl Rove? J/K

 

[jannuncutt]

OHHH But who is the commander and Chief of the Miltary Also I think she is more upset that he will not give her a one on one. Now if every parent wife or Husband asked for that from the president how much time would that take. The lady from the Bay area went the correct route she went to the army for answers.

Whoever is President is the Commander and Chief of the Military - I know that - so what? The Military will always be there, no matter who the Commander and Chief is. I don't like his policies. I don't like the way he has used the U.S. Military to get that man "who tried to kill my dad".

 

[Marthatex]

If you read the first of the thread, (JDB) I no longer support Ms. Sheehan or her actions.

I do not believe in getting arrested on purpose unless you're trying to save an innocent person's life. Disrespect for the law only undermines credibility.

Mypoint about military decisions was in response to Gruff's intimation that there is a difference when we have a volunteer or draft army. There should be no difference at all.

I also stated later on that we can't leave Iraq now.

Shouldn't have sent troops to Bosnia? That was an example of a well-executed plan; as was the first Gulf War except we were afraid to finish the job.

 

[jannuncutt]

If you read the first of the thread, (JDB) I no longer support Ms. Sheehan or her actions.

I do not believe in getting arrested on purpose unless you're trying to save an innocent person's life. Disrespect for the law only undermines credibility.

Mypoint about military decisions was in response to Gruff's intimation that there is a difference when we have a volunteer or draft army. There should be no difference at all.

I also stated later on that we can't leave Iraq now.

Shouldn't have sent troops to Bosnia? That was an example of a well-executed plan; as was the first Gulf War except we were afraid to finish the job.

It seemed to me that Cindy Sheehan looked happy as she was being carried away by the police. I support her cause, however, I don't support her disobedience to the law. I worry that she is being manipulated. I also hope that she is not letting her "celebrity" go to her head. I hope that her sister who is with her is clear-headed and watching out for Cindy.

 

[JDB]

Whoever is President is the Commander and Chief of the Military - I know that - so what? The Military will always be there, no matter who the Commander and Chief is. I don't like his policies. I don't like the way he has used the U.S. Military to get that man "who tried to kill my dad".

Gee unless I missed something in the last few minutes we are not ran by a DICTAOR. Seems I recall we still have a senate and a congress. So whe you say HIS policies I think the proper wording shoul be Thier policies.

 

[jannuncutt]

Gee unless I missed something in the last few minutes we are not ran by a DICTAOR. Seems I recall we still have a senate and a congress. So whe you say HIS policies I think the proper wording shoul be Thier policies.

Because he lied.

 

[JDB]

Because he lied.

CAn you please name me one presdident that has not lied when in office? Just ONE

 

[jannuncutt]

CAn you please name me one presdident that has not lied when in office? Just ONE

No, I'm not going to play that game. Too many people are dying because of his lies.

 

[JDB]

No, I'm not going to play that game. Too many people are dying because of his lies.

Ok I will accept that. But also please keep in mind how many people died on 9/11 because we knew there was a threat before BUSH but we sat on our hands doing nothing.

 

[Marthatex]

Yes, we all remember that Congress voted on the war. Congress is also more Republican than Democrat at the present time; therefore supporting the President's policies more often than not.

But partisanship was not the issue when we voted on the Iraq war. The war on terror was. Unfortunately, Iraq was linked to the war on terror by the Republican administration, as well as weapons of mass destruction, and Congress' decision was based upon false information.

We all know how we got into the war, and there is no real use in debating it now. The issue now is: How to we quell the insurgency, how do we build Iraq in the face of continuing insurgency, when do we begin to withdraw the troops and eventually get out, leaving Iraq with enough physical and political integrity to survive on their own?

As General Myers said yesterday, they realize now that it will take more than military might to quell the insurgency. Many other factors are involved.

 

[jannuncutt]

Ok I will accept that. But also please keep in mind how many people died on 9/11 because we knew there was a threat before BUSH but we sat on our hands doing nothing.

True. However, the threat was not from Iraq.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Not to me, it doesn't. She is his Mother - she gave him birth - not them.

And what about his father? Does he have no say simply because he didn't squirt the child from his belly? Placing more value on a relative simply because they have a womb and carried the child for 9 months is beyond silly, given the fact that the state has to step in to so many situations where birth mothes are clearly not operating in the best interest of their children.