Sheehan Arrested at Whitehouse

[Marthatex]

Karen Hughes is over there trying to communicate and "improve our image" with other middle eastern countries. We may not be quitters, but in case no one has noticed our approach has been "adjusted" a little bit.

We're not hearing so much about "axis of evil" and "bring 'em on". No one wants to quit, but it's important for mistakes to be learned from, especially if adjustments can be made to the strategy of the war.

Why didn't we continue going after the terrorists and terrorist camps, rather than try to take over an entire country? The terrorists were and are in many countries. There are tons of them now in Iraq because many have joined up, and many are aligned with Sunnis.

Katrina showed how unprepared we are here at home. Much money to rebuild Iraq is just sitting there because of the violence. It is an emotional thing, and sometimes a partisan thing, but you just have to look at the facts. I believe some 60% or more of the American people believe the war was a mistake? We are no minority here. No one is criticizing the troops.

 

[Marthatex]

IMO it is not Cindy that tore our country apart.

 

[tybee204]

Personal attacks on Websleuths members is a violation of WS TOS. Please edit attacks and take the opinions it to the Political Pavillion.

tybee

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Blessed be our service people now and all who have gone before. They need our love and support, not our criticism.

Thank goodness you're here!! I was starting to get an itch from all the sheep.

 

[lisag]

Personal attacks on Websleuths members is a violation of WS TOS. Please edit attacks and take the opinions it to the Political Pavillion.

tybee

I knew there was a reason I stayed away from this thread.... whew!!

 

[Marthatex]

It is the Sunnis who are now posing the threat to peace in Iraq. They do not want to be dominated by the majority, even though the Shiites have given them assurances. They have condoned killing of innocents, as in teachers and children last week and this week.

Either Iraqis want Democracy, or they don't, and they will show it in the next few months. The next months will be crucial to Iraq; and it is indeed up to the Iraqis not us anymore.

We are mostly occupiers and trainers now, and the sooner we can get a large number of troops home the better.

Edited to add: We should ALL, be praying, both Democrats and Republicans, for an adoption of the Constitution in Iraq and that the Sunnis stand up for an end to the violence. That is what will start to bring home our troops.

 

[Ntegrity]

We should ALL, be praying, both Democrats and Republicans, for an adoption of the Constitution in Iraq and that the Sunnis stand up for an end to the violence. That is what will start to bring home our troops.

:clap: :clap: :clap:
I saw a picture yesterday on CNN's website showing young children applauding one of our military vehicles damaged by a roadside bomb. I was disgusted. They need to decide as a people what they want. War or peace. They also need to quit teaching their children to HATE everyone who isn't like them. Otherwise, we need to get the heck out of Dodge. The Arabs have been at war amongst themselves for so many years I'm not sure they know any other way to live.

 

[Marthatex]

I agree. there's alot more to it than just "killing the terrorists ''.

 

[JDB]

Our country was being torn apart long before Cindy Sheehan came along. The reason for that is George W. Bush.

OHHH Lets go back farther then GWB. Lets go back to Clinton. Now from I have read he knew where Bin Laden was and did NOTHING.ANd lets not lay all the blame on Bush. Seems to me if the congress and Senate thought he was not doing hisjob they would ask for an Impeachment hearing AKA Clinton.
ANd Cindy Sheehan is nothing more then a Publicity MONGER.. And I happen to agree with ember what Sheehan has done is a disgarce to her own son.

 

[deanws]

Ok I will accept that. But also please keep in mind how many people died on 9/11 because we knew there was a threat before BUSH but we sat on our hands doing nothing.

:clap: Exactly:clap:

 

[deanws]

stay gone...alas, it is just not to be...

This is my very first post, though I have lurked a while. I had to weigh in on this one.

I would like to know how you know that the threat was not from Iraq. Do you have inside knowledge? Please do not believe everything that has been "thoroughly investigated". I work for the gov't. Trust me on this one.

Saddam was madman without a soul who slayed his own people by the thousands & already hated us for what the first Bush admin did to his dictatorship. Given the chance, he would have volleyed. It is just too bad Bush Sr. didn't have the backing that Bush Jr. has to see it through. Iraq is an absolute threat. Isn't Al-Zarqawi now Bin Laden's right hand man? Al-Qaeda in IRAQ? Behead a few innocent contractors and become the golden child to Bin Laden? Maybe Bush did jump the gun on Iraq as a son's favor, but I believe he was on the right track. A terrorist is a terrorist no matter where they call home and they HATE us and our freedom. Believe that.

The smiling Cindy Sheehan being led off by police made me ill. She IS making a mockery of her son's service. He VOLUNTEERED and loved his country. DIED for it. He knew the risks. Maybe to him, the job rewards were compensation enough. In his job there, he FREED people. People who will vote. Just like our soliders did in Afghanistan. Soon these people will vote. VOTE! I know we take it for granted, but to them...wow...it is life altering. 50% of these voters are women. Women who never had a voice before. It really is profound when you think about it. I hope the Afghan & Iraqi women use there new found rights better than one liberator's mother has. Ironic that Cindy uses the same rights given to her by men & women, like her son, who have given their lives, so that she can stand on her righteous soap box and say it is all for naught. That just disgusts me.

I'm far from a warmonger. I value life, all life. But I'm no dummy either. If we cut & run now, we empower those blood-thirsty,third-world, insane religious extremists. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want that element over here on our own soil. Americans are NOT quitters.

We have service people fighting terror all over the world, not just in Iraq. Kosovo, Bosnia, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan to name a few. This is not a game folks. Our guys and gals who are serving are in real danger to keep us safe.

Blessed be our service people now and all who have gone before. They need our love and support, not our criticism.

Great post ember.

 

[KrazyKollector]

IMO it is not Cindy that tore our country apart.

That's true. There's Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Teddy Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Babs Streisand, Sean Penn, Al Gore, Dixie Chucks, Dan Rather.....
EDITED TO ADD--members of both parties have used the war to put themselves in the spotlight.

Does anyone have a "real" link to the news story that Cindy is now charging to appear and talk? It says she needs to pay her bills and that she said her son's life insurance is almost gone so she needs $$$. I believe she has gotten quite a bit of $$$$$$$ from all the left wingers who were using her.? Gee, nothing like capitalizing on your son's death and using it as a springboard to a new career. Makes one wonder what her original motives really were.

As for the war in Iraq. If you think the President lied, than Clinton and Kennedy and most of the left wingers and liberals also lied. Remember, Clinton also bombed Iraq and if he hadn't bungled it by hitting an asprin factory, might have bombed it a few more times. The terrorists got brave when Clinton was in office because he cut bait and ran when the going got tough, just like Somalia.

 

[KrazyKollector]

I know we usually do not agree in the political world but I must say,
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: and :blowkiss: for a wonderful post.

It is the Sunnis who are now posing the threat to peace in Iraq. They do not want to be dominated by the majority, even though the Shiites have given them assurances. They have condoned killing of innocents, as in teachers and children last week and this week.

Either Iraqis want Democracy, or they don't, and they will show it in the next few months. The next months will be crucial to Iraq; and it is indeed up to the Iraqis not us anymore.

We are mostly occupiers and trainers now, and the sooner we can get a large number of troops home the better.

Edited to add: We should ALL, be praying, both Democrats and Republicans, for an adoption of the Constitution in Iraq and that the Sunnis stand up for an end to the violence. That is what will start to bring home our troops.

 

[KrazyKollector]

stay gone...alas, it is just not to be...

This is my very first post, though I have lurked a while. I had to weigh in on this one.

I would like to know how you know that the threat was not from Iraq. Do you have inside knowledge? Please do not believe everything that has been "thoroughly investigated". I work for the gov't. Trust me on this one.

Saddam was madman without a soul who slayed his own people by the thousands & already hated us for what the first Bush admin did to his dictatorship. Given the chance, he would have volleyed. It is just too bad Bush Sr. didn't have the backing that Bush Jr. has to see it through. Iraq is an absolute threat. Isn't Al-Zarqawi now Bin Laden's right hand man? Al-Qaeda in IRAQ? Behead a few innocent contractors and become the golden child to Bin Laden? Maybe Bush did jump the gun on Iraq as a son's favor, but I believe he was on the right track. A terrorist is a terrorist no matter where they call home and they HATE us and our freedom. Believe that.

The smiling Cindy Sheehan being led off by police made me ill. She IS making a mockery of her son's service. He VOLUNTEERED and loved his country. DIED for it. He knew the risks. Maybe to him, the job rewards were compensation enough. In his job there, he FREED people. People who will vote. Just like our soliders did in Afghanistan. Soon these people will vote. VOTE! I know we take it for granted, but to them...wow...it is life altering. 50% of these voters are women. Women who never had a voice before. It really is profound when you think about it. I hope the Afghan & Iraqi women use there new found rights better than one liberator's mother has. Ironic that Cindy uses the same rights given to her by men & women, like her son, who have given their lives, so that she can stand on her righteous soap box and say it is all for naught. That just disgusts me.

I'm far from a warmonger. I value life, all life. But I'm no dummy either. If we cut & run now, we empower those blood-thirsty,third-world, insane religious extremists. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want that element over here on our own soil. Americans are NOT quitters.

We have service people fighting terror all over the world, not just in Iraq. Kosovo, Bosnia, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan to name a few. This is not a game folks. Our guys and gals who are serving are in real danger to keep us safe.

Blessed be our service people now and all who have gone before. They need our love and support, not our criticism.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[Marthatex]

According to Snopes, the assertion that Clinton did not track down the perpetrators of terrorist attacks against Americans is false.

Many times the FBI was not allowed to question them, as in Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

He did not bomb Iraq, but our missiles missed Osama bin Laden by several hours. He was widely criticized at that time for trying to distract from the Monica Lewinski thing. And I remember it.

Condi and Bush were equally lax at the beginning of his administration.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm

 

[SandyBee]

stay gone...alas, it is just not to be...

This is my very first post, though I have lurked a while. I had to weigh in on this one.

I would like to know how you know that the threat was not from Iraq. Do you have inside knowledge? Please do not believe everything that has been "thoroughly investigated". I work for the gov't. Trust me on this one.

Saddam was madman without a soul who slayed his own people by the thousands & already hated us for what the first Bush admin did to his dictatorship. Given the chance, he would have volleyed. It is just too bad Bush Sr. didn't have the backing that Bush Jr. has to see it through. Iraq is an absolute threat. Isn't Al-Zarqawi now Bin Laden's right hand man? Al-Qaeda in IRAQ? Behead a few innocent contractors and become the golden child to Bin Laden? Maybe Bush did jump the gun on Iraq as a son's favor, but I believe he was on the right track. A terrorist is a terrorist no matter where they call home and they HATE us and our freedom. Believe that.

The smiling Cindy Sheehan being led off by police made me ill. She IS making a mockery of her son's service. He VOLUNTEERED and loved his country. DIED for it. He knew the risks. Maybe to him, the job rewards were compensation enough. In his job there, he FREED people. People who will vote. Just like our soliders did in Afghanistan. Soon these people will vote. VOTE! I know we take it for granted, but to them...wow...it is life altering. 50% of these voters are women. Women who never had a voice before. It really is profound when you think about it. I hope the Afghan & Iraqi women use there new found rights better than one liberator's mother has. Ironic that Cindy uses the same rights given to her by men & women, like her son, who have given their lives, so that she can stand on her righteous soap box and say it is all for naught. That just disgusts me.

I'm far from a warmonger. I value life, all life. But I'm no dummy either. If we cut & run now, we empower those blood-thirsty,third-world, insane religious extremists. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want that element over here on our own soil. Americans are NOT quitters.

We have service people fighting terror all over the world, not just in Iraq. Kosovo, Bosnia, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan to name a few. This is not a game folks. Our guys and gals who are serving are in real danger to keep us safe.

Blessed be our service people now and all who have gone before. They need our love and support, not our criticism.

:clap: :clap: Great post! I agree with you 110%.

 

[ember]

Thanks to all who have welcomed me so warmly and/or agreed with my post.
To those who didn't, I absolutely respect your opinion. Not everyone is going to agree on politics. But if we did...oh what a beautiful world it would be!

I do have to question why anyone on this earth would think this all started with GWB. I don't know how to say this any nicer so I will say it the way I feel it...that is just pure ignorance of history. I'm going to copy something here that was sent to me in an email ages ago. Of course, I forwarded it. I can't put the source on here of who it is from because I'm afraid that would reveal too much of my personal information on the web...I'm leary of that. I know this to be true and so will you when you read it. If you do doubt it though, maybe "snopes" will be able to give it credit. It is a wonderful sight for seperating fact from fiction. So here you go. Tell me what you think...I know you all will, lol...

-Subject: Fwd: ANY ONE REMEMBER THIS?
>
> Does Anyone remember this??
>
> It was 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an
old
>news video of Lt.Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra
hearings
>during the Reagan Administration.
>
> There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third
>degree, but what he said was stunning!
>
> He was being drilled by a senator; "Did you not recently spend
close
>to $60,000 for a home security system?"
>
> Ollie replied, "Yes, I did, Sir."
>
> The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the
audience,
>"Isn't that just a little excessive?"
>
> "No, sir," continued Ollie.
>
> "No? And why not?" the senator asked.
>
> "Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir."
>
> "Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.
>
> "By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered.
>
> "Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"
>
> "His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.
>
> At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but
couldn't
>pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple
of
>people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. Why are you
so
>afraid of this man?" the senator asked.
>
> "Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know
of",
>Ollie answered.
>
> "And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.
>
> "Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an
assassin
>team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the
earth."
>
> The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that
was
>shown of the clip.
>
>
> By the way, that senator was Al Gore
>
> Also:
>
> Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986.
The
>Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo
agreement
>with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release
so-called
>"political prisoners."
>
> However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their
>hands, The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his
Secretary
>of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be
released.
>
> Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by
flying
>an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. This was
reported by
>many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were
first
>identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports.
>
> If you agree that the American public must be made aware of
this
>fact, pass this on.
>

 

[tybee204]

http://truthminers.com/hoaxarticles/oliver_north.htm

Oliver North Named Osama bin Laden as a Feared Terrorist During 1987 Iran/Contra Hearings While Being Questioned By a Disgusted Al Gore - NOT TRUE.

The message circulating on the internet claims that Oliver North named Osama bin Laden as a terrorist during the 1987 Iran Contra hearings. It further claims that Al Gore was questioning North and was not pleased with some of his answers.

The truth of the matter is that it wasn't Osma bin Laden that Oliver North named during the 1987 hearings. bin Laden had not yet developed his real hatred for America yet and in fact, was a friend of the U.S. when Afghanistan was fighting the Soviets. Oliver North named Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal as the terrorist that caused him to accept as a gift, a home security system. The senator questioning him and expressing his disagreement was NOT Al Gore. Gore was not a member of the United States Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Opposition and therefore did not take part in the questioning of any witnesses before the Committee. According to Oliver North, the person questioning him was committee counsel John Nields, not a senator. The allegation that the name Osama bin Laden is hard to pronounce is rather silly and, I suppose intended to make Gore look like an idiot. It is certainly not a difficult name. If one saw it in print, one might pronounce Laden with an a sound instead of an "ah", but the rest is easy. According to the message, the person questioning him had only heard the name, and then, only once. If there would have been any difficulty repeating it, it would have been for that reason, and not that it is hard to pronounce. Mr. North also says that he did not say he was afraid of Abu Nidal, but he was concerned for the safety of his family. The entire article that Mr. North wrote to refute this hoax is shown below.

 

[tybee204]

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/ollienorth-osama.htm

Oliver North Warned of the Terrorism of Osama Bin Laden during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987-Fiction!

Summary of eRumor:
Oliver North allegedly told a congressional hearing that he had installed a security system in his home because of threats to his family by Osama Bin Laden. Later versions of the story say the person questioning Col. North was Senator Al Gore.


The Truth:
According to the Congressional Record, there was no mention of Osama Bin Laden during the Iran-Contra hearings by Oliver North or anyone else. In fact, there was no mention of Osama Bin Laden in the Congressional Record at all in 1987, the year of the hearings.

Also, Senator Al Gore was not a member of the joint House-Senate Iran-Contra Committee and did not do any of the questioning.

One of the charges against North at that time, however, was his accepting a security system for his home as a gift. He said he needed it because of threats against himself and his family by Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal.

Paul Bedard whose column WASHINGTON WHISPERS appears on USNEWS.com contacted North who confirmed that he never referenced Bin Laden who, in fact, became a friend of the U.S. against Soviet invaders of Afghanistan.

 

[tybee204]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.htm

And proved to be fiction on Snopes as well