Sheehan Arrested at Whitehouse

[Marthatex]

Sheehan was arrested and kept for 4 hours. Mrs. Young was not arrested.

The Capitol Police say, "We made a mistake". It was not unlawful to wear the T-shirts. Rep. Young NOT HAPPY. Ms. Sheehan not happy either; may file lawsuit of unlawful arrest.

Of course the big question, why was one arrested and the other not? I mean I don't care for Ms. Sheehan either, but looking at it objectively, it doesn't look like she was doing anything and they were treated differently.

 

[michelle]

Sheehan was arrested and kept for 4 hours. Mrs. Young was not arrested.

The Capitol Police say, "We made a mistake". It was not unlawful to wear the T-shirts. Rep. Young NOT HAPPY. Ms. Sheehan not happy either; may file lawsuit of unlawful arrest.

that doesnt surprise me..

 

[2sisters]

I'm just sorry that she gets as much press as she does. I'm sorry her son is dead, I pity her in that regard, but when you join the service you do sometimes have to go to war.

 

[Maral]

This nutter needs to take a good dose of STFU and do as 99% of the rest of us do....Support the troops.Bash Bush and his war all ya wish,but the tropps deserve nothing but support for their dedication to and willingness to fight for the things that make America the best damn nation in the world today.

Cindy does support the troops. She just happens to believe that the best way to support them is to call for their swift exit from Iraq.

 

[calus_3]

Cindy does support the troops. She just happens to believe that the best way to support them is to call for their swift exit from Iraq.

If you have ever seen the movie 'How to lose a guy in 10 days'....which, despite being a chick flick was great (I love Goldie Hawn's daughter....just about passed out when she wore that gold dress).....I am calling bull$h!t on this one.

That is a liberal lie because if they told the truth they would look like the traitor liars that they are.

YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THE TROUPS AND UNDERMINE THE MISSION THAT THEY ARE PERFORMING AT THE SAME TIME. If you disagree, wait until they get home and vote your conscience to get the leaders out of power that authorized the war. The bottom line is that a majority of this country re-elected George Bush and he decided (along with Congress) that we needed to go to war. This is your President and your war. Get behind the troups and support them and the war until such a time as our last soldier is out of harm's way and then protest away. But I say until then, shut up!

Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace. If her son could see what she is doing now, I am sure he would agree with me. Her own husband couldn't stand her and her antics so he divorced her. Go ask HIM what he thinks of her and the war.

Cal

 

[calus_3]

Talk to a returning soldier in an airport sometime and ask them about Iraq.

I am sure they will give you a vastly different picture of the doom and gloom that Cindy and her ilk in the media want so desperately to be true.

The truth is that a vast majority of the Country is relatively safe with a few pockets of muslim terrorists stirring up trouble. The rest is an overwhelming success....schools, hospitals, electricity, businesses, services, etc.

How the hell do you think that makes a soldier on leave for two weeks feel when he has to go back and see all the lies, half-truths, and listen to the Democratic Senators of late call for our surrender because we are losing the war?

Shameful people shameful. If we were losing 10K troups a day and all infrastructure we build was blown up and it was a civil war over there....fine, we are losing. But that is so far from the truth and for a Senator to stand there and say "we must pull out because we are losing the war" is unconscionable.

Cal

 

[jannuncutt]

Cindy does support the troops. She just happens to believe that the best way to support them is to call for their swift exit from Iraq.

Well said, and she is far from being a minority, in that regard.

 

[IdahoMom]

Well said, and she is far from being a minority, in that regard.

Retreat is not an option at this point. From the President's recent State of the Union:


Our cause is just, and it continues. Our discoveries in Afghanistan confirmed our worst fears, and showed us the true scope of the task ahead. We have seen the depth of our enemies' hatred in videos, where they laugh about the loss of innocent life. And the depth of their hatred is equaled by the madness of the destruction they design. We have found diagrams of American nuclear power plants and public water facilities, detailed instructions for making chemical weapons, surveillance maps of American cities, and thorough descriptions of landmarks in America and throughout the world.

What we have found in Afghanistan confirms that, far from ending there, our war against terror is only beginning. Most of the 19 men who hijacked planes on September the 11th were trained in Afghanistan's camps, and so were tens of thousands of others. Thousands of dangerous killers, schooled in the methods of murder, often supported by outlaw regimes, are now spread throughout the world like ticking time bombs, set to go off without warning.

Thanks to the work of our law enforcement officials and coalition partners, hundreds of terrorists have been arrested. Yet, tens of thousands of trained terrorists are still at large. These enemies view the entire world as a battlefield, and we must pursue them wherever they are. So long as training camps operate, so long as nations harbor terrorists, freedom is at risk. And America and our allies must not, and will not, allow it.

Our nation will continue to be steadfast and patient and persistent in the pursuit of two great objectives. First, we will shut down terrorist camps, disrupt terrorist plans, and bring terrorists to justice. And, second, we must prevent the terrorists and regimes who seek chemical, biological or nuclear weapons from threatening the United States and the world.

Our military has put the terror training camps of Afghanistan out of business, yet camps still exist in at least a dozen countries. A terrorist underworld -- including groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Jaish-i-Mohammed -- operates in remote jungles and deserts, and hides in the centers of large cities.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Talk to a returning soldier in an airport sometime and ask them about Iraq.

I am sure they will give you a vastly different picture of the doom and gloom that Cindy and her ilk in the media want so desperately to be true.

The truth is that a vast majority of the Country is relatively safe with a few pockets of muslim terrorists stirring up trouble. The rest is an overwhelming success....schools, hospitals, electricity, businesses, services, etc.

How the hell do you think that makes a soldier on leave for two weeks feel when he has to go back and see all the lies, half-truths, and listen to the Democratic Senators of late call for our surrender because we are losing the war?

Cal

At my work, we've got MANY employees in Iraq and Afghanistan (those soldiers often get overlooked, BTW) on active military duty. NOT A ONE has said it's a waste to be there. We've got one that is on his second deployment over there, and as he was waiting for the second deployment, his comment was "They need me over there!" He was proud of the work they did the first time, and he wanted to go make more infrastructure improvements.

Certainly, that is not to say that he doesn't miss his family, job, freedom to do whatever, etc. and that he doesn't think there are risks. But so many of these soldiers are proud of the work they do. He was even in the medical unit for awhile over there, as he was waiting to pass a kidney stone. Sure, he would have much rather have gone through that back at home!

One of our employees is a Master Sergeant in Afghanistan, in charge of training the Afghanistan soldiers to be more self-reliant. When the Master Sgt. came here to visit us on his 2 week leave, he showed us amazing photos and even a 5 minute video of his drive from their housing to their work area. He said the drive to/from "work" each day is the most dangerous part of their job. It was definitely an eye-opener watching that 5 minutes. I give them so much credit for the great job they are doing over there. And watching the scenery and the Afghan people on the streets, very interesting. FYI, he said the average worker makes comparable to $300 annually.

We send care packages and letters to the soldiers serving from our Region, and we've also "adopted" a unit of soldiers from Ft. Hood that we don't even know. But they're great to always write notes back to us, thanking us for remembering them! That is NOTHING compared to what they are doing for us. (And we had a local second grade class draw pictures and write letters to the groups we have - and one unit sent former Iraq currency back to us to forward to the second graders. It was awesome.)

 

[Maral]

YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THE TROUPS AND UNDERMINE THE MISSION THAT THEY ARE PERFORMING AT THE SAME TIME.
Cal

I totally disagree with this statement.

Following are excerpts from an article written by Eric E. Johansson of the SF Bay Area Veterans for Peace:

A few days ago, I an read article somewhere that quoted a Marine in Iraq. When the young Marine was asked about his feelings he replied, “They are shooting at as from all directions, I just want to get out of here and go home.” Well, Marine, we in the anti-war movement also want you to come home. We want you come home alive and come home now.

AS A MILITARY VETERAN MYSELF, I SAY THAT THE BEST WAY TO SUPPORT THE TROOPS IS BY PROTESTING AGAINST THE WAR!

Sadly, there are those amongst us who claim that once the troops are in the field fighting a war, then it is no longer acceptable for citizens to protest against the war:

LET US BE CLEAR:

THOSE WHO MAKE THIS CLAIM ACTUALLY UNDERMINE SUPPORT FOR THE TROOPS, THEY UNDERMINE SUPPORT FOR AMERICAN PRINCIPLES OF FREEDOM, AND THEY ARE WITHOUT QUESTION SOME OF THE MOST DANGEROUS TRAITORS TO OUR COUNTRY DURING THIS TIME OF WAR.

As troops are engaged in combat they are not privy to much information that is available to us in America. They have not the luxury of 24-hour news coverage because while we sit around and watch TV, they are fighting to stay alive and gripping to their every ounce of remaining sanity despite the blood, gore, horror and tragedy that brings them fresh daily overdoses of mental agony and emotional trauma. I know many of the troops that are serving in Iraq and I also know that many of them wish not to be there at all. They wish to come home and come home alive. So know this folks: when you support war, you support the continued infliction of harm and horror upon the daily lives of good men and women in uniform. Your act of simply waving flag and supporting war may make you feel better and less responsible for the tragedy of war but it does great disservice to those who endure its daily tragedies. You may be able fool yourself by claiming that your support for the war is also support for the troops, but we see through your hollow patriotism that only helps more troops get killed. If you truly care more for the lives of the troops than for your own inner feelings of pride and conscience, then support the troops by protesting the war.

IF YOU REALLY CARE FOR THE TROOPS AND YOU WISH THEM COME HOME ALIVE AND UNHARMED, THEN I URGE YOU TO:

SUPPORT THE TROOPS BEST BY PROTESTING THE WAR!!!

Link

 

[calus_3]

Again......I'm calling ****.

That man, IMHO, is a traitor as is Murtha.

You can be against the war but this is the course that our President and our Country and our Congress chose. We are there. We are fighting. Soldiers are dying and fighting hard for an ideal. They believe in their mission wholeheartedly and are willing to lay down their lives if necessary. When they hear nothing but elected officials, media, and citizens protesting what THEY BELIEVE IN...it demoralizes them.

This support the troups but not the war is ****. It is nothing more than a catch phrase for traitors, IMHO. The two are mutually exclusive ideals.

These SOLDIERS BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING. IF YOU ARE PROTESTING THEIR MISSION AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING, YOU ARE PROTESTING THEM.

Tell yourself whatever you have to tell yourself to get by, I suppose.

Cal

 

[Masterj]

Again......I'm calling ****.^.

That man, IMHO, is a traitor as is Murtha.

You can be against the war but this is the course that our President and our Country and our Congress chose. We are there. We are fighting. Soldiers are dying and fighting hard for an ideal. They believe in their mission wholeheartedly and are willing to lay down their lives if necessary. When they hear nothing but elected officials, media, and citizens protesting what THEY BELIEVE IN...it demoralizes them.

This support the troups but not the war is ****. It is nothing more than a catch phrase for traitors, IMHO. The two are mutually exclusive ideals.

These SOLDIERS BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING. IF YOU ARE PROTESTING THEIR MISSION AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING, YOU ARE PROTESTING THEM.

Tell yourself whatever you have to tell yourself to get by, I suppose.

Cal

How nice to be so intolerant of those who disagree with you! You say "These SOLDIERS BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING." Do you know for a fact that EVERYONE of those soldiers believes in what they are doing? I actually know quite a few who love this country and their freedoms, but do not agree with the purpose of this war. That said, they will do what they signed up for, but that doesn't mean they agree with it. Additionally, maybe you are not aware but not everyone who signs up for the army, navy, marines, etc. does so out of a deep patriotic love for their country and its freedoms. there are still those people who signed up as an escape from a life of poverty or as a way to fund their schooling or even because their parents forced them too. Again, I am not saying everyone, but you can't deny that everyone who joined did so out of purely patriotic reasons.

I also find it rather humorous that you label anyone who disagrees with the war as a traitor. Please save your McCarthyistic ****.. We are all entitled to our opinions - that is one of the many things that makes our country so wonderful. I personally think this is a **** war that the public was manipulated into supporting. There were no weapons of mass destruction and there is no link to the 9/11 attacks. Bush and his administration wanted to go to war and decided to tell the public whatever they needed to gain support. Now I am not saying that Saddam does not deserve to be stripped of his power, I don't appreciate the government creating fictious reasons and purposely misleading the public to further their own agenda.

 

[calus_3]

traitor traitor traitor....see how easy it is! I say back the troups or back the he!! right out of the Country they are fighting to defend....that's my position.

Cal

 

[calus_3]

That's why my post was so short!

Cal :crazy:

 

[calus_3]

There are still those people who signed up as an escape from a life of poverty or as a way to fund their schooling or even because their parents forced them too.

Ah here we have it folks....the Councilman Charlie Rangle argument that only the poor, downtrodden, weak, optionless, indentured servants join the military.

The people I know in the military are the finest Americans that I have ever seen and a vast majority of them want to be there. Those who lost legs or arms many times fight and scrap to get back with their units.

If your running down our Country during a time of war and undermining their mission you are undermining the troups. There is no in between.

Why don't you go down to your local airport and wait for some troups to come off a plane from Iraq and run that line of BS about supporting them but not the war? Take some before pictures of your dental work.....

Cal

 

[eve]

Ah here we have it folks....the Councilman Charlie Rangle argument that only the poor, downtrodden, weak, optionless, indentured servants join the military.

The people I know in the military are the finest Americans that I have ever seen and a vast majority of them want to be there. Those who lost legs or arms many times fight and scrap to get back with their units.

If your running down our Country during a time of war and undermining their mission you are undermining the troups. There is no in between.

Why don't you go down to your local airport and wait for some troups to come off a plane from Iraq and run that line of BS about supporting them but not the war? Take some before pictures of your dental work.....

Cal

:clap: :clap: :clap:

If they did sign up to escape a life of poverty or to be trained/schooled, I suggest that doesn't mean they have any less a commitment to what they are doing now! From what I've seen, the military is comprised of fine honorable service-oriented people who have not chosen to forget what it mean to have freedom and fight for it, even helping other countries attain it. The Cindy Sheehans of the world wouldn't be able to speak their minds at all without our military.

If they do object to what they are doing or signed up for one thing and "got another," they must not have been listening to what their obligations were when they joined.

Eve

 

[Masterj]

Ah here we have it folks....the Councilman Charlie Rangle argument that only the poor, downtrodden, weak, optionless, indentured servants join the military.

The people I know in the military are the finest Americans that I have ever seen and a vast majority of them want to be there. Those who lost legs or arms many times fight and scrap to get back with their units.

If your running down our Country during a time of war and undermining their mission you are undermining the troups. There is no in between.

Why don't you go down to your local airport and wait for some troups to come off a plane from Iraq and run that line of BS about supporting them but not the war? Take some before pictures of your dental work.....

Cal

If you actually read what I wrote, I never said NOR implied that all who join the military are poor. I said some. And I never said NOR implied they are weak, downtrodden, etc. Your words, NOT mine. If you think that there aren't some people in the military who joined for reasons other than wanting to protect and serve their country than you are sadly mistaken.

You can keep spouting your traitor spiel to me all you want. I will not be bullied into questioning my values and beliefs by someone who needs to resort to name calling rather than using intelligent thought and debate while thumping himself on the chest for what a proud American he is.

 

[IdahoMom]

definitely no point in arguing with the ignorant!

Yikes.

 

[calus_3]

Okay, whatevah! Why don't you get your facts straight....most enlistees aren't black and aren't poor--those are fallacies. They generally are looking for adventure and possibly even a 'free' ride to college.

Just know that when people....almost all of us.....hear you spout off the BS about "I support the war but not the troops, no wait I meant the tank but not the infantry....no no that's not it.....I support the troops but not the war" in the back of our minds, we are saying baffoon!

Just so you will know.

And if being a patriot and being proud of it is a bad thing, then I am rotten to the core. Because as Merle Haggard once sang it, well heck, I'll just post the entire lyrics because it has become my theme of late:

I hear people talkin' bad,
About the way we have to live here in this country,
Harpin' on the wars we fight,
An' gripin' 'bout the way things oughta be.
An' I don't mind 'em switchin' sides,
An' standin' up for things they believe in.
When they're runnin' down my country, man,
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me.
Runnin' down the way of life,
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep.
If you don't love it, leave it:
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'.
If you're runnin' down my country, man,
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

I read about some squirrely guy,
Who claims, he just don't believe in fightin'.
An' I wonder just how long,
The rest of us can count on bein' free.
They love our milk an' honey,
But they preach about some other way of livin'.
When they're runnin' down my country, hoss,
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me.
Runnin' down the way of life,
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep.
If you don't love it, leave it:
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'.
If you're runnin' down my country, man,
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

Yeah, walkin' on the fightin' side of me.
Runnin' down the way of life,
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep.
If you don't love it, leave it:
Let this song I'm singin' be a warnin'.
If you're runnin' down my country, man,
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me.


With my utmost and warm loving regards and the biggest patriotic I can muster, ah dieu.

Cal

 

[Masterj]

Okay, whatevah! Why don't you get your facts straight....most enlistees aren't black and aren't poor. They generally are looking for adventure and possibly even a 'free' ride to college.

If you could please show me where I said or implied that most enlistees are black and poor, I would appreciate it. Why did you automatically assume I was referring to black people when all I said was poor? Yikes. Please don't impose your stereotypes on me.

Just know that when people....almost all of us.....hear you spout off the BS about "I support the war but not the troops, no wait I meant the tank but not the infantry....no no that's not it.....I support the troops but not the war" in the back of our minds, we are saying baffon!

Apparently I missed where you became the spokeperson for all of us....

And if being a patriot and being proud of it is a bad thing, then I am rotten to the core.

I don't think there is anything wrong with being patriotic. I think there is something wrong when you imply that anyone who disagrees with you could not possibly be patriotic.