Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt5

[Debbie3223]

Hummmmmm

Scott P.... :sick: Drew P.... :sick: Chris C..... :sick:


which shall KC pick to write first with her flap... :liar: lol

sorry... just lightin the mood!


Ch. 204 here too. for Directtv

 

[mck16]

Hello Mck16,



If you go to the very first thread about the Coleman's (you will find the link for that in the 1st message in this thread), there were numerous links to videos and articles on the web. There were also WS messages discussing this call. I don't have the time, at the moment to look for you, but you should be able to find a link to that info. Also, you might be able to do so by Googling some things.

It is true, I just don't have a resource to confirm it for you at the moment, but I would also like to find it again for a few reasons too. Let me know if you get to it before I do, okay?

Wrinkles thank you. I am not questioning the validity of the post I just had not heard it and wanted to read more about it. I will go and check it out. TA

 

[mpoinar]

Hi there - as one of those who has questioned the relationship of JMM in this tragedy. I will tell you that I am a devout Christian - a follower of Jesus Christ. I am what you would call "born again" and I received instruction on how to speak in tongues at a Joyce Meyer conference in Ft. Myers, Florida in 1998. I have actually attended four Joyce Meyer Florida conferences.

I have also attended Harvest Bible College, participated in seminars with some of the truly great teachers of my generation (The late Jack Frost comes to mind). I still travel 50 miles to worship whenever Jason Upton is anywhere around the Tampa area. I have participated in many areas of ministry in a non-denominational evangelical church. (The Vineyard)

I don't dislike Joyce Meyer, I considered her a mentor in my walk for several years. I watched her ministry become, IMHO, a beast with a life of it's own. And THIS is what I have based my comments on. As a fellow believer who appears to know of JMM, I ask you where was the "listening" for the prompting of the Holy Spirit in this situation? I know that JM was being convicted over and over that something wasn't right - because that's how the spirit operates in the heart of a believer whose conscience hasn't been seared by hypocrisy and greed.

To His disciples, Jesus said, "Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses"(Luke 12:15)

JM called this man, her "dear friend". CC travelled with her, guarded her personally, spent innumerable hours immersed in the culture of JMM. Is it any wonder that Chris Coleman "changed" in the past 11 years? Look how JMM has changed! What was once a ministry is now an empire - Just like so many religious institutions before it. As JMM built mansions with money meant for social justice, CC was watching and changing his mind. At some point the gospel of "More, better, different" tempted CC to cheat on his wife - a consequence that JM may or may not know about.

If the investigators are correct, then CC was trysting with his paramour on JMM's dime. I've been to too many "clearing" sessions to imagine that SOMEONE in that inner circle didn't have a clue that CC was morally disintegrating. And if they didn't, I'm sorry - but that just tells me that no one was paying attention.

1 Timothy 6:7-11 (NKJV) For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.

Let this be a wake up call.

Sorry to those who are not religious - but this case is inexorably woven with the threads of a twisted gospel. No offense to you Mom of 5, this case is breaking my heart on many, many levels.

All of this is my opinion.

I really appreciate this post. I'm a born again Believer too who has wondered how such a thing could happen. I've had my suspicions
and you helped me to understand this from a spiritual perspective.

This is the first time I have posted here and I want to thank you for your post. What you are pointing out explains it for me.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

FWIW, no matter what religious practice you follow, the one thing the Great Power gave us all was the power of choice. CC chose.

This is all I will contribute to some Christian/religious part of this case.

Why did CC do this and what was his personal gain? Money? Freedom? A life he dreamed up within his own head that he believed he deserved???

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello Mck16,

I don't at all mind doubting validity That is one of my things, i.e. "is it true." I really love people resourcing things -- as I am forced to do in medical documents I work upon, it helps with "building a case" for whatever.

I am trying to see if I can find this info too...because I have a point to make about it

Wrinkles thank you. I am not questioning the validity of the post I just had not heard it and wanted to read more about it. I will go and check it out. TA

 

[Spyglass]

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/epg/theGuide.jsp

Default time zone is EST for me at this link.

 

[chicoliving]

Hello Anyone and Everyone,

I have Directv and am not TV savvy, don't watch much, but would like to see Nancy Grace tonight. Although I watched it last night, I can't for the life of me remember upon what channel I saw it I'm in California, can anyone tell me the correct Directv station for this?

5 pm on ch 204

 

[murdershewrote]

even if JM knew that CC was having an affair, or heard rumblings about his activities while he was travelling with her group...even though she was reportedly close to them, I doubt she could have ever foreseen or had the wildest guess that he would kill his entire family. Could she have seen a divorce coming, maybe...but a triple homocide? I mean, think about one of your close friends or a close co-worker, could you ever in a million years think they would kill their entire family, especially their kids?

 

[susnoat]

I had a thought about this case today: Maybe CC threatened JM. Maybe JM found out about his doings on company time and the process to let him go was already started. Maybe he threatend JM by saying "If you fire me, I will kill my family and myself. Leading to.-> "I told you this would happen"

Might explain why he was "fired" so quickly and might also explain JM appearance so quickly at the scene, as well as why he wasnt working that night......as in he was on leave pending a decision.

 

[Jack]

The only thing religion has to do with this case is that CC is pharisaic. Some others he associated with may be too but I wouldn't know as they don't appear to have murdered their families. 

 

[southcitymom]

I understand the rage, anger, and emotion about the crime. It was very tragic and is difficult to think about, let alone fully understand the reasons why something for horrific could transpire. I even understand why you are all so enraged at CC; more so now that he is arrested than before, but that's another matter.

What I don't understand is all the anger toward JMM. People cannot peer into the soul of those around them; I really hate to break it to you. Sure, the closer we are to someone the better chance we have of picking up on things which may be amiss in their lives or if something is disturbing them. But to think Joyce Meyer, just because she is a woman of God, should have intuitively known something was wrong with CC and/or his family life . . . get real!

If convicted, CC is the only one to blame here. Sure, we might fault his parents for not being as "Christian" as they could be regarding SC's family. And you can clearly say they failed as parents. But, I don't blame them for initially standing by their son. And I don't blame them for what CC did on the night of the murder, or for his actions after.

I'm sorry, but parents can only do so much. You can tell an adult child to do "this or that", but they do not have to listen. And, as a man of God, I'm sure his father will ultimately forgive his son for what he did.

My guess is that CC's family is enduring a lot of pain right now too! Some of you will probably say "Who cares?" Others will try to argue with me, and claim that I am secretly a family member. That is not the case. I just think the when something this tragic occurs, the pain spreads like a wildfire. And I cringe just thinking about "what if" I woke one day to find out my son had done something horrible. Would I abandon him or stick by his side - despite the pain he had inflicted?

Great post (though I don't understand the statement that they clearly failed as parents - I know some really great parents whose children have done terrible things and some really bad parents whose children have done great things). I would never abandon a child of mine, no matter what awful thing he did. When something this sad happens, there's more than enough pain to go around and no one corners the market on it.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello ChicoLiving my cheeksters

SO good to see you :blowkiss:

BTW, wanted to thank you for the perp walk link last night. It really pained me to see it, but it was illuminating and gave me at least a very saddened, but much needed level of satisfaction at the same time.

At anyrate, it is always a sweetness to see you!:blowkiss::blowkiss:

Thanks for the time for NG. I rarely watch TV but watched last nights NG which I felt had a "life of its own" -- it was absolutely emotional/volatile (fairly much a class act, actually) and I would like to see the follow up tonight.

I hope that NG notches this up tonight, in terms of having people who knew/know something call in -- I guess we will see what we will see, but I hope that somehow, NG finds some level of personal satisfaction in having been a victim's advocate in this.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

I had a thought about this case today: Maybe CC threatened JM. Maybe JM found out about his doings on company time and the process to let him go was already started. Maybe he threatend JM by saying "If you fire me, I will kill my family and myself. Leading to.-> "I told you this would happen"

Might explain why he was "fired" so quickly and might also explain JM appearance so quickly at the scene, as well as why he wasnt working that night......as in he was on leave pending a decision.

I think that LE in talking with JMM, as a part of their investigation, let them in on the specifics of the case ... and as a result, JMM fired him post haste! Just my thoughts!

 

[chicagofa13]

Ugh, I should have asked what time Nancy Grace comes on -- is it 4:00?

I think the channel is 204.

FYI for those of you with XM radio, HLN is on channel 123. I listen to NG on there all the time in the car. It was a real 'duh' moment when I figured out I didn't need to miss my shows. I am not sure what # it is on Sirius, but it should be on there also.

 

[pres101]

I think JM knew something immediately after getting his call and when she arrived at the crime scene. This tells me she either suspected something before or she already knew there was a problem with Chris. It is entirely possible his "resignation" process had started prior to the murders. We still do not know why he was not at work that night. He could have been relieved of his duties at that point.

I agree this was no rage killing. This was premeditated First Degree Murder x 3 (again...waiting on the aggravating circumstances to be added). He planned and plotted against his family beginning with those threats. He set this up over a course of 6 months or longer.

JM may have been forgiving of Chris coming to her with an affair, but she still would have made him "resign" since she doesn't fire people (pays no unemployment). She makes it clear she does not surround herself with people she cannot trust and who do not adhere to her terms of Christianity. PERIOD.

All good points. As this unfolds we will will likely realize more twists and turns than most of us could have imagined.

The prior "threats" could have been part of a plan to murder or just to scare Sheri. Perhaps some type of control or to keep her from leaving. I would bet that she was planning to leave and CC was afraid of the repercussions of that. (losing his job, money etc...)

I would think that if a JMM employee were to divorce with good reason Joyce would not fire them. I would bet that CC had no such reason to divorce but am equally sure that Sheri did have good reason. That is what CC was afraid of.

One more thing ... this week a computer was seized from Pastor Ron Coleman's house and another from Grace Church. This comming from very reliable sources in Chester.

 

[analytical]

I had a thought about this case today: Maybe CC threatened JM. Maybe JM found out about his doings on company time and the process to let him go was already started. Maybe he threatend JM by saying "If you fire me, I will kill my family and myself. Leading to.-> "I told you this would happen"

Might explain why he was "fired" so quickly and might also explain JM appearance so quickly at the scene, as well as why he wasnt working that night......as in he was on leave pending a decision.

Or .. just supposin' .. just supposin' .. let's start with a basic truth .. there's lots of people out there that hate Christians, whatever the reason may be.

So let's just "suppose" the threats (and until I know more about these I am not dismissing them) were made against JM and Coleman.

If JM were aware of the threats, the call might have been "those threats against you and me, Joyce, were true .. my family is gone!"

OK .. ballyhoo away

He was her bodyguard for eight years.

 

[pres101]

Many family members do not "see" that there is a problem with their own. How many times have we read cases of murder where no one had any idea what was going on until after the fact? When it is subtle, it goes missed, explained somehow that "works", or simply ignored. It isn't until murder occurs that it all comes together. All of a sudden, all the pieces fall into place. Much to the heart pain (or excuses, depending on the "mind mode") of those touched by such tragedy.

imho

Love, hope and ignorance can cover a lot. Especially if it developed over a period of time.

 

[fran]

Well, since word has it the threats were typed on a computer Chris used, I would imagine JM is a little pizzed that the enemy was from within.

Just a thought,
fran

 

[Jack]

Great post (though I don't understand the statement that they clearly failed as parents - I know some really great parents whose children have done terrible things and some really bad parents whose children have done great things). I would never abandon a child of mine, no matter what awful thing he did. When something this sad happens, there's more than enough pain to go around and no one corners the market on it.

I completely agree. I know a great woman whos son sits on death row for murdering a cop. Why did he do it? Who knows. Was he raised right? From all appearances yes. She didn't abandon her son. He was afterall still the son she raised and loved. She still had the lifetime of experiences and memories with this son turned murderer and regardless of what he did she loved him. She didn't condone, but she didn't withdraw her love and support. I wouldn't either. And I wouldn't expect CC's parents to either. Regardless of whether they are upstanding people or not they are still suffering pain that they shouldn't be suffering. They are really just as much victims of their son's actions as Sheri Coleman's family is. I do wish they had shown some outward sign of grace toward Sheri coleman's family. But I cannot judge them. CC is the one who will have to answer for his actions.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Or .. just supposin' .. just supposin' .. let's start with a basic truth .. there's lots of people out there that hate Christians, whatever the reason may be.

So let's just "suppose" the threats (and until I know more about these I am not dismissing them) were made against JM and Coleman.

If JM were aware of the threats, the call might have been "those threats against you and me, Joyce, were true .. my family is gone!"

OK .. ballyhoo away

He was her bodyguard for eight years.

Nope. Doesn't work for me. CC chose. Murdered his wife and two sons. This is not about being Christian. This is about a "man" who chose to kill his family for his reasons. There were no threats and frankly, to try and bring in "Christian hate" is so wrong on every possible level. He may have been JM's bodyguard for eight years, but he was a husband and father longer. Who was more important than life? JM or Sheri and sons? Or, could it have been CC for himself...