Sidebar Discussion #10

[2goldfish]

I think it stands for offender but I'm not sure. I'm still wondering what BBM means.

it does stand for offender...the lady from the DOC who gave an interview referred to her as "offender anthony" and we took it and ran with it.


BBM is bolded by me as I did up there, I quoted you and I bolded part of the post to reply to it, and it was bolding not present in your original post

 

[TotallyObsessed]

bbm: "Honestly?" You honestly can't believe that anyone would think FCA had something to do with Caylee's death?

Not even most of FCA's own friends and family, including her grandmother, her uncle, her own father -- the people who know her so well and believe FCA caused Caylee's death? Not even seasoned and honorable OCSO investigators and FBI agents who collected facts, interviews, evidence that indicated she was guilty, guilty, guilty? Not even a grand jury who decided there was enough evidence to indict her? Not even the prosecuting attorneys who believed so strongly that she was guilty, that they not only charged her with murder, but chose to make it a death penalty case? Not even the interested public -- people who have studied and analyzed this case for years, in great detail thanks to the Sunshine Law, and who could come to no other conclusion than the (IMO) obvious one: that Casey killed Caylee?

"Honestly?" :waitasec:

Hmm. Well, *I* honestly cannot believe: that someone would "honestly" not believe that someone would think that Casey Anthony "might have" had something to do with Caylee's death.... JMO, of course.

I would also find it surprising if a person who "honestly" claimed to believe such a baffling thing, turned around and accused another person of LYING for having reviewed a book they have not read -- when clearly the reviewer in question has read large amounts of excerpts and descriptions from said book, and does not need to read the whole thing in order to review it. That is certainly not lying, IMO.

Wow, honesty as a concept can be a relative thing, for sure. JMO

Thanks button was just not enough. This actualy needs to be bumped to the first post of each page. IMO. Honestly.:clap::clap::clap:

If I didn't like you peeps so much, I would let her rip. IIOW if we long time posters were so obviously doing what is being done here, if we would still be posting?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Really? Really????
1. That is the only thing I will agree with you on. It is unfortunate and a travesty. It can not be changed and a killer walked free. A poor little child paid for that with her life. But hey, although some say she's in a better place, she deserved better than what she was dealt, by her entire family.

2. No idea what words you're referring to. [/B]And NO, they're not the same... there is difference between “factual guilt” and “legal innocence", just because you’re found “not guilty” doesn’t mean that you’re “innocent, both in a court of law, or even of public opinion. [/B]Determinations of factual guilt are unencumbered by the many safeguards the Constitution, They appear in the Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Amendments — three of the 10 amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights. See, the Constitution when written and now, would rather set 10 guilty men/women free than execute 1 innocent man/woman. Unfortunately that's what happened here. I'm Canadian and apparently know the U.S. law and Constitution better than you do, but I don't mind enlightening you. It may help some day.

3.Hmmm, NICE! Really nice. If I didn't know better, I'd think that was sarcastic and that you sound angry DCF didn't do more before it was too late. But not surprised with that comment from one of her supporters. A child died for heavens sake and you say "big whoop, what does DCF ruling get anyone". Others have previously enlightened you, so I won't continue.

4. You have got to be kidding!!!! I don't even know where to start with that one!

Just who do you think killed poor Caylee. And if you think it was an accidental drowning, just where was OCA while she was fighting for her life?

That question, and many other legitimate questions, have been posed to this poster, to no avail. Questions are never answered. Just obvious baiting ensues.

This forum is for diverse opinions of a crime committed. But when no opposite theories are ever put forth, but only baiting to (1) get the thread shut down, or (2) get posters TO'd...there seems to be a problem. So I would say, unless a theory can be stated here as to what YOU might think happened, what EXACTLY is the point?

I now have 4,600+ posts in this forum. Gotta count for something, right?

 

[logicalgirl]

I think it stands for offender but I'm not sure. I'm still wondering what BBM means.

Yes it does stand for Offender and BBM as far as I know stands for Bolded by Me....
:waitasec: Oops I am late to the convo...

 

[sheba1]

That question, and many other legitimate questions, have been posed to this poster, to no avail. Questions are never answered. Just obvious baiting ensues.

This forum is for diverse opinions of a crime committed. But when no opposite theories are ever put forth, but only baiting to (1) get the thread shut down, or (2) get posters TO'd...there seems to be a problem. So I would say, unless a theory can be stated here as to what YOU might think happened, what EXACTLY is the point?

I now have 4,600+ posts in this forum. Gotta count for something, right?

Thank you TotallyObsessed! I admit I'm as angry today as I was the day Caylee's killer (IMO) was set free, and at the complete travesty of justice. I feel like if I could only change 1 persons mind, Caylee would have 1 more smile while looking down. When I hear things such as were posted, I see Caylee shed another single tear down her cheek.
But you are absolutely right, I was baited, and let my emotions dictate my reasoning. There is no more blind as those who will not see as they say. TY and from now on, I'll stop trying to reason with the unreasonable, after all, my forehead is black and blue from knocking it on my computer desk, and my backspace key is worn down to a little nub from backspacing to erase what I really think and feel in order not to get my post deleted.

 

[atthelake]

Yes it does stand for Offender and BBM as far as I know stands for Bolded by Me....
:waitasec: Oops I am late to the convo...

I am late ths morning too as I slept in after the late party here last night, and could not get outta my waterbed this am! I found the thread with the DFS pdf link and did my first posting! So now that I am all set up with my njc on there, off I can go to others! Hopefully we will get many threads on the reviews having that DFS link. It would be a hoot if someone had the time to put in all of the five star reviews! :fence:

 

[hand]

I just checked the books ranking at B & N

it is 12,201

 

[atthelake]

I'm hearing a little respect for my many unusual duct tape experiments - am I???:seeya:

LG I had not remembered that was you, but I remember laughing so hard when you shared what you were doing in the bathroom and that you offspring would really go :what: if they walked in on you doing them,,,,IIRC!

 

[rossva]

Please show just one post where I have ever said Anthony was innocent, or I support her. I support our justice system. The state had ample opportunity to convict her, and did not.

What I do not support are people that are upset at that fact, and in their opinion, found Casey Anthony guilty. What you wrote that a killer walked free is 100% your opinion , what is 100% fact is that she was found not guilty in a court of law.

The words I refer to are posters who respond to my stating the fact she was found not guilty are that not guilty does not mean innoncent. I have NEVER stated they are one and the same.

Again, what effect does the DCF ruling have on anything, other than to have wasted even more Florida taxpayers (of which I am one) dollars? At most it gave a little satisfaction to those who's opinion is that Anthony is guilty.

I don't know how Caylee died, I just know that it couldn't be proven Casey Anthony murdered her. And if so many people are sure Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, why is it so far fetched the unknown father could have assisted her? How many children die at the hands of a mother/father combo? What part to you find me to be kidding about? How many people lose wrongful death suits?

Why do you assume some one killed Caylee? It could have been an accidental death. After all, the state wasn't able to prove otherwise.

Really? Really????
1. That is the only thing I will agree with you on. It is unfortunate and a travesty. It can not be changed and a killer walked free. A poor little child paid for that with her life. But hey, although some say she's in a better place, she deserved better than what she was dealt, by her entire family.

2. No idea what words you're referring to. [/B]And NO, they're not the same... there is difference between “factual guilt” and “legal innocence", just because you’re found “not guilty” doesn’t mean that you’re “innocent, both in a court of law, or even of public opinion. [/B]Determinations of factual guilt are unencumbered by the many safeguards the Constitution, They appear in the Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Amendments — three of the 10 amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights. See, the Constitution when written and now, would rather set 10 guilty men/women free than execute 1 innocent man/woman. Unfortunately that's what happened here. I'm Canadian and apparently know the U.S. law and Constitution better than you do, but I don't mind enlightening you. It may help some day.

3.Hmmm, NICE! Really nice. If I didn't know better, I'd think that was sarcastic and that you sound angry DCF didn't do more before it was too late. But not surprised with that comment from one of her supporters. A child died for heavens sake and you say "big whoop, what does DCF ruling get anyone". Others have previously enlightened you, so I won't continue.

4. You have got to be kidding!!!! I don't even know where to start with that one!

Just who do you think killed poor Caylee. And if you think it was an accidental drowning, just where was OCA while she was fighting for her life?

 

[ZsaZsa]

I was just reading the Book 'inaccuracies' ( as in lies) thread...
I wonder why, if as Baez says, Casey revealed to him in early 2009 that the kidnapping story was not true, he did not let Zenaida Gonzales know she was officially off the hook. He could have prevented a lot of problems for her had he declared that publicly......:waitasec:

 

[atthelake]

WELL! I'm sure as a young woman "of the seventies" I would have no memories like that..:floorlaugh she said humming a few bars of Lay, Lady Lay...)

LG, during our gathering of us children from the sixties or seventies last night, this was the sonf. This morning, I am humming blowing in the wind! :floorlaugh:

Good response to the DFCS on Amazon! Keeping it at the top!

 

[logicalgirl]

Thank you TotallyObsessed! I admit I'm as angry today as I was the day Caylee's killer (IMO) was set free, and at the complete travesty of justice. I feel like if I could only change 1 persons mind, Caylee would have 1 more smile while looking down. When I hear things such as were posted, I see Caylee shed another single tear down her cheek.
But you are absolutely right, I was baited, and let my emotions dictate my reasoning. There is no more blind as those who will not see as they say. TY and from now on, I'll stop trying to reason with the unreasonable, after all, my forehead is black and blue from knocking it on my computer desk, and my backspace key is worn down to a little nub from backspacing to erase what I really think and feel in order not to get my post deleted.

What I've found helped me is to consider before I respond, what is the driving force or root emotion that causes a pro-verdict, pro-Baez, pro-offender FCA member to comment on a board where the majority believe the opposite. Is the reason to debate the actual issues with a mutually beneficial back and forth discussion? I find after consideration, the answer is no - and I stop right there, as I value my WS membership.

 

[logicalgirl]

LG, during our gathering of us children from the sixties or seventies last night, this was the sonf. This morning, I am humming blowing in the wind! :floorlaugh:

Good response to the DFCS on Amazon! Keeping it at the top!

Yes, I loved that song. But I will say - despite all I got up to in those days - I look at society today and think - wow did I ever live in an age of innocence. I don't mean naivety because we were demonstrating and marching like crazy - but we had such high ideals and hopes.....

 

[coco puff]

:twocents: It can only insert said knife and twist it if you READ it. You actually have all the control in the world. At our fingertips... in the User CP. Quoting it so that others have to read it is YOU twisting the knife for others.. just sayin'.

Wow. I would never intentionally do that. Thanks alot. Bye

 

[logicalgirl]

I just checked the books ranking at B & N

it is 12,201

Yes, and I love that the first 20 reviews showing on the first page under the sales rank are all one stars....:rocker:

He's had to buy a few back I guess because his sales rank opened first thing this morning at 1406, but has since fallen to #1444/5/28 in the last couple of hours over at amazon...:seeya:

 

[logicalgirl]

LG I had not remembered that was you, but I remember laughing so hard when you shared what you were doing in the bathroom and that you offspring would really go :what: if they walked in on you doing them,,,,IIRC!

Yes, those duct tape after drowning theories made me nuts - Caylee's skin and hair would have had to be dry for the duct tape to stick, particularly once immersed in the flood. The question was - if that was true - just where was her body while her hair/skin dried (and forgive me posters) decomp would have already begun...:banghead:

 

[LambChop]

I have to say this. It was not proven to that set of juror's that KC was guilty in the death of her child by 100%. Although one juror stated that they knew she was guilty just did not feel there was enough evidence for them to make the decision that she should die. That is a lot different than her being not guilty in their eyes. The problem as I see it is they could have asked the judge questions about their clarifying how to come to a verdict and did not do this even though they had no problems writing to the judge at other times about movies, pretzels in the jury room, going to a game, etc. So it is not that they were unaware they could not do so. They took the easy way out and sometimes jurors do that in a lengthy trial and we all know it happens all the time in mistrials. Some just do not want to make a decision and take the easy way out because there is a big responsibility when you are a member of a jury. This jury was not interested in deliberating anything, nor did they try.

That being said I have not seen any information from anyone who supports the not guilty verdict that in any way brings any light into discussions about why they would think KC was not guilty. Just saying not guilty is not going to change people's opinions when they have spent many, many hours looking at the evidence which was presented by the state. I think the highlighted trunk mat is damning and regrettably the jury never got to see it. Had they been able to see the pictures we have seen their verdict may have been quite different.

Most of us feel the victim will always be Caylee and not KC and no matter how much posters may try to force feed that to us it just is not going to work and really is a waste of time. So basically just saying KC was found not guilty in a court of law means she is free to go but she is still a prisoner of public opinion which I do not ever see that changing to anything other than "Guilty....but not approriately charged." Of course this is just my opinion but I don't see it ever changing nor do I see JB's book doing KC anything but harm. Look at what JB has done. He has restarted us up again in the Caylee thread that had died down to a dull roar while we waited for the civil trials to begin. Now it is back up running again. No one who has ever been to these threads will ever forget this child with the beautiful eyes who never had a chance and is representative of all those other children who have died at the hands of a parent who felt the child was in the way.

I think we all can get the "not guilty by a jury of her peers" we just do not accept it based on the information we read, interpreted, studied, researched and did experiments on and 99% of us came to the same conclusion. It was a lot of work by a lot of people and most of us got the part that KC is 100% responsible for the death of her child. Thanks to all those who spent hours doing all that work, I mean you really went above and beyond to bring out the truth and you all deserve the respect due you for getting that truth out there. Just saying thanks is not even enough.....you deserve so much more. But then that is what WS's is all about. Getting to the truth. jmo

 

[atthelake]

Remember today's song is "blowing in the wind" although we had fun with LG's Lay Lady Lay song yesterday! And yep, some us were not :angel: back in those days. :gasp: did I just say Us?

Anyhow, doing my part to now put out the pdf of the DFCS conclusion whenever the opporunity arises so that others can see that the legal folks did indeed state that Casey was IRresponsible etc. Thanks for sharing that link for all of us inclined can share..it does not bash ANYONE of the players other than FCA and that is good

Eta. Adding link as to hae it bumped for others to capture and spread the word

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2011-08/272204480-11143144.pdf

 

[LambChop]

Yes, those duct tape after drowning theories made me nuts - Caylee's skin and hair would have had to be dry for the duct tape to stick, particularly once immersed in the flood. The question was - if that was true - just where was her body while her hair/skin dried (and forgive me posters) decomp would have already begun...:banghead:

I know.....JB put on a swiss cheese defense if you ask me. I guess the jury liked swiss. jmo

 

[Desdemona]

I'm reading JB's book and in chapter 14 he talks about the searches done on the Anthony computer on June 16th. We all heard recently about the 'foolproof suffocation' search and the 'venturing into the pro-suicide pit' website.

But he also says that the person on that computer visited a website that said 'heat can melt disposable breathing circuits' and shortly thereafter a gardening website '10 ways to kill a rhododendron'. If this is true (and of course he doesn't provide any evidence) who was on that computer? And why did that person (Casey?) look at a website about killing rhododendrons?

B/CBM

I'm behind, so forgive me if someone has already answered this, but both of the mystery sites simply came up in the Google search for "foolproof suffocation" and were obviously extraneous results. Note that they both contain the key search words "foolproof" and "suffocation," and perhaps coincidentally (or not?!) both also contain the words "method" and "death."

1. "Heat can melt disposable breathing circuits"

Actual title: "Heated Wires Can Melt Disposable Breathing Circuits"

Quoted excerpt:

Use of an electronic exhaled-volume monitor is the best way to detect breathing circuit leaks or occlusion. [..] Remember, however, that low-pressure alarms are not foolproof—pressures generated during partial occlusion or leaks may not violate the alarm limit.
[..]
Mechanism of Injury or Death

Failure to deliver therapy; Fire; Suffocation

Link: http://www.mdsr.ecri.org/summary/detail.aspx?doc_id=8086



2. "10 Ways to Kill a Rhododendron"

Actual Title: "Ten Ways to Kill a Rhododendron" by Marjorie Hancock

Quoted Excerpt:

Method No. 2 - Suffocation
Insert the roots deeply in the ground and tamp them in firmly. As a safeguard, raise the soil level well up the stem. This usually works, although the rhodo will struggle to resist by growing a collar of new roots, just centimetres below the surface, and inches above the crown of the root. Again, not foolproof, but if combined with Method No. 3, following, might be successful.

Link: http://www.hancockwoodlands.ca/tenways.html