Sidebar Discussion #11

[logicalgirl]

OOOHHH Boy!! I thought it was her oooppps!

I don't know for sure of course - but I think we need to look at the possibility that we are being punked...we got led around by the nose by a poster claiming to be CA only to have her finally outed as a fake - and I keep reading the same thing about this poster.

 

[IfIMay]

I only speak for myself, but I don't intend to "raise my level" until I see something worthy of changing it. I don't see any growth or change in the people I'm "judging". Just sayin'. It's not for me to "forgive". I definitely won't forget. If I saw some real measure of change, then I will seek to "understand". So far, it's status quo... talking for money and looking for the limelight. Heck, they even closed the fraudation after getting the big payout. So much for Grandparent's rights..

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Not on - in! :floorlaugh:

I have no problem with what anyone thinks about the Anthony's although I do sometimes wonder why people stay in the same emotional spot for so long. But - it is not that I am expecting forgiveness or sympathy - I don't believe I'm at that level myself yet.

I seek understanding and for that I need more information because I'm not sure I do understand. But that is just me - that makes me no better or no worse than anyone else.

What I was talking about was the way or manner this hatred of the Anthony's is expressed. If we are criticizing someone like CA, or GA, the fact that we are "right" doesn't mean we have to sink the the level of the Jerry Springer show to show our dislike or disapproval does it?

I'm not asking anyone to show sympathy or forgiveness and I'm not scolding anyone - I'm asking if we could "lift the level" of our disapproval is all. It's just me but I find name calling really upsetting...especially when it goes on and on.

1st bold - How do you know that another person's emotional level is the same and not re-verified from continued analysis and reflection?

I don't think I have seen us sink to the level of the Jerry Springer show.

2nd bold - feels again, like scolding as I think our level is the highest on the net.

Name calling is against TOS - and I try hard not to ever slip but I am not seeing anymore for GA and CA than I am for JB or KC.

Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. Can't wait for the 20,000 party!

 

[AZlawyer]

Not on - in! :floorlaugh:

I have no problem with what anyone thinks about the Anthony's although I do sometimes wonder why people stay in the same emotional spot for so long. But - it is not that I am expecting forgiveness or sympathy - I don't believe I'm at that level myself yet.

I seek understanding and for that I need more information because I'm not sure I do understand. But that is just me - that makes me no better or no worse than anyone else.

What I was talking about was the way or manner this hatred of the Anthony's is expressed. If we are criticizing someone like CA, or GA, the fact that we are "right" doesn't mean we have to sink the the level of the Jerry Springer show to show our dislike or disapproval does it?

I'm not asking anyone to show sympathy or forgiveness and I'm not scolding anyone - I'm asking if we could "lift the level" of our disapproval is all. It's just me but I find name calling really upsetting...especially when it goes on and on.

Thank you, LG.

My own opinion is that George is not a cardboard cutout but a real person, with both good and bad traits. He was strong when he went to talk to LE behind his family's back on July 24, 2008--but weak at other critical times. He stands by CA in public--but is disloyal to her in private (e.g., online dating sites, River,...). He is not perfect by any means, but I believe he loved Caylee with all his heart.

Any of us who have never made a choice of which we were later ashamed should keep on bashing him...

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I only speak for myself, but I don't intend to "raise my level" until I see something worthy of changing it. I don't see any growth or change in the people I'm "judging". Just sayin'. It's not for me to "forgive". I definitely won't forget. If I saw some real measure of change, then I will seek to "understand". So far, it's status quo... talking for money and looking for the limelight. Heck, they even closed the fraudation after getting the big payout. So much for Grandparent's rights..

BINGO - and that is an on-going evaluation process!

IF I MAY (pun) repeat that as it is sooooooooooooooo perfect for where I am after many re-eval's of the family.
" If I saw some real measure of change, then I will seek to "understand"

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Thank you, LG.

My own opinion is that George is not a cardboard cutout but a real person, with both good and bad traits. He was strong when he went to talk to LE behind his family's back on July 24, 2008--but weak at other critical times. He stands by CA in public--but is disloyal to her in private (e.g., online dating sites, River,...). He is not perfect by any means, but I believe he loved Caylee with all his heart.

Any of us who have never made a choice of which we were later ashamed should keep on bashing him...

Jose too?

Adding: A choice - or several choices, or choices of this magnitude? Where is the line at which we forgive (ourselves or others) and stop "bashing"? I guess I don't view it as bashing as much as accountability. JMHO

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Thank you, LG.

My own opinion is that George is not a cardboard cutout but a real person, with both good and bad traits. He was strong when he went to talk to LE behind his family's back on July 24, 2008--but weak at other critical times. He stands by CA in public--but is disloyal to her in private (e.g., online dating sites, River,...). He is not perfect by any means, but I believe he loved Caylee with all his heart.

Any of us who have never made a choice of which we were later ashamed should keep on bashing him...

The problem with that AZLawyer, is yes, GA did exactly as you describe. But so did Cindy. 911 call. Meetings with LEO. Then direct U-turn. Same as George. I don't cut George any more slack than I do Cindy, because they have travelled along the exact same path. Together. But George is a master as playing "poor pitiful me" - please pity me because I am married to this monster who MAKES me act like this. Baloney. He is a grown man.

While I could possibly excuse his behavior over the years for something so small as say standing beside his daughter if she were on trial for stealing a blouse at K-Mart, I can not excuse his behavior during this circus any more than I could if she were on trial for driving while drunk and causing a car accident that killed Caylee.

IF they had to stand by their daughter, whom I believe they BOTH knew was guilty as sin, they sure as sin should have done it in a very different manner. What they both did, FOR WHATEVER REASON, during the 3 years leading up to the circus was unconscionable. IMO. I understand all of the emotions that went into that behavior, but that still does not make it right.

 

[deanna82437]

http://www.wesh.com/news/casey-anth...&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=caseyupdates

Civil Trial to begin 8/28 ..

 

[logicalgirl]

BINGO - and that is an on-going evaluation process!

IF I MAY (pun) repeat that as it is sooooooooooooooo perfect for where I am after many re-eval's of the family.
" If I saw some real measure of change, then I will seek to "understand"

Bear with me here - and I'll try to explain one more time - in my life, which has been filled with much trauma from an early age - I have had to "walk a line" to keep my heart and soul from being filled with hate.

I never want to again be stuck in a place where one action from a person in my past can reach out and jerk me back to that place of anger and hate. And the only way I can do that is to understand why they are the way they are.

I'll take a short vacay away - wasn't meaning to ruffle feathers - carry one my friends..

 

[TotallyObsessed]

OK, let's try this again peeps.

If a post here violates TOS (including visual bashing, name-calling/name-variations, bashing other posters, or personal attacks upon or baiting of those who do not hold a certain viewpoint), the appropriate course of action is to Alert on the post, and MOVE ON.

If you repeatedly find yourself unable to engage in a civil, rational dialogue with another poster, PUT THEM ON IGNORE. (The link here explains this feature and how to use it.)

The Sidebar thread has been on Time Off for 23 hours and 45 minutes, and from all appearances this has caused many of our posters great distress and angst.

Before you post in this thread, consider that distress and angst and imagine if it were multiplied by several days, or worse--if the Sidebar just went away for good.

Think before you hit that "Post Reply" button.

(And please note that there are no noms or drinks or swim-up bars in this Sidebar. :notgood: )

Now thank this post to show that you understand what is expected of you, and carry on.

I am posting this for myself mainly. But it is always a good idea to read up every now and then.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

The problem with that AZLawyer, is yes, GA did exactly as you describe. But so did Cindy. 911 call. Meetings with LEO. Then direct U-turn. Same as George. I don't cut George any more slack than I do Cindy, because they have travelled along the exact same path. Together. But George is a master as playing "poor pitiful me" - please pity me because I am married to this monster who MAKES me act like this. Baloney. He is a grown man.

While I could possibly excuse his behavior over the years for something so small as say standing beside his daughter if she were on trial for stealing a blouse at K-Mart, I can not excuse his behavior during this circus any more than I could if she were on trial for driving while drunk and causing a car accident that killed Caylee.

IF they had to stand by their daughter, whom I believe they BOTH knew was guilty as sin, they sure as sin should have done it in a very different manner. What they both did, FOR WHATEVER REASON, during the 3 years leading up to the circus was unconscionable. IMO. I understand all of the emotions that went into that behavior, but that still does not make it right.

And for me, can I add THEY HAVE NEVER TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT THEY DID. Just as JB is not taking responsibility for the lies in the book. They (JB, KC, GA, CA) are none coming out in a sincere and genuine way that fosters forgiveness and additional empathy.

 

[deanna82437]

http://www.wesh.com/news/casey-anth...&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=caseyupdates

Civil Trial to begin 8/28 ..

Quoting myself here, but Jeff Weiner, OS reporter says that it is only a hearing. Trial does not begin until January. FYI

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Cindy Anthony is in deep denial.

http://twitter.com/CINDYANTH0NY

Oh FGS ! What an attention-seeking :dramaqueen:

I can't :silenced: any more ...

:furious: :sick: uke:

:furious: :sick: uke:

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Bear with me here - and I'll try to explain one more time - in my life, which has been filled with much trauma from an early age - I have had to "walk a line" to keep my heart and soul from being filled with hate.

I never want to again be stuck in a place where one action from a person in my past can reach out and jerk me back to that place of anger and hate. And the only way I can do that is to understand why they are the way they are.

I'll take a short vacay away - wasn't meaning to ruffle feathers - carry one my friends..

Well I can't understand or rationalize (another fine line, IMHO) them yet. But as one who was abandoned and thrown away as a child herself, while not in a swamp - I know how to not hold a hardened heart and still not stick my head in the sand. So I guess we just deal with trauma and pain differently. Of note: respectfully disagreeing and judging are two totally different things.


I will go on vacay too. Not the trip I planned, but the one I now see that it's time has come.

 

[zippitydoda]

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[AZlawyer]

Oh FGS ! What an attention-seeking :dramaqueen:

I can't :silenced: any more ...

:furious: :sick: uke:

:furious: :sick: uke:

:moo::moo::moo:

I'm quite sure it isn't her. In fact, I don't even think the person is doing a remotely passable job of trying to sound like Cindy.

 

[Marshmallow]

Well I can't understand or rationalize (another fine line, IMHO) them yet. But as one who was abandoned and thrown away as a child herself, while not in a swamp - I know how to not hold a hardened heart and still not stick my head in the sand. So I guess we just deal with trauma and pain differently.

I will go on vacay too. Not the trip I planned, but the one I now see that it's time has come.

sadly I know of what you speak and I think I will follow your example and plan a couple nice days trips to keep peace here. NY is pretty nice this time of year

 

[Desdemona]

Thank you, LG.

My own opinion is that George is not a cardboard cutout but a real person, with both good and bad traits. He was strong when he went to talk to LE behind his family's back on July 24, 2008--but weak at other critical times. He stands by CA in public--but is disloyal to her in private (e.g., online dating sites, River,...). He is not perfect by any means, but I believe he loved Caylee with all his heart.

Any of us who have never made a choice of which we were later ashamed should keep on bashing him...

Agree with everything except the part BBM.

Every single human being on the planet has made a choice they would be ashamed of at some point -- with the exception of sociopaths who feel no shame, ever. By the standard given in the quoted post, the rule would logically follow that no one should express his/her opinion of outrage in regard to the actions of another person.

And yet we have:

• The tragic death of Caylee,
• The inexplicable and shameful behavior of her family,
• The chicanery and greed employed by Caylee's own family and Casey's defense team,
• The lies upon lies which wasted the resources of others,
• The willingness to cause/allow many, many innocent people to suffer needlessly, and
• The terrible injustice which prevailed in the end,
• All magnified by the sense that Caylee's killer was protected by the very people who should have fought the strongest for justice.

These factors are all egregiously distasteful to many people, here and everywhere. They are shocking and disturbing, and clearly rise far above the level of typical 'shameful' mistakes on the part of the people observing and commenting. And for some of us, the behavior of the A's, vis-a-vis Caylee the helpless child victim, is very, very hard to get past.

IMO the upset and outrage is a natural reaction, unrelated to a person's own awareness of his/her own faults, and not in itself a fault to be shamed by others. Differences of opinion are always to be expected and IMO tolerated (within TOS, of course).

 

[Marshmallow]

Not on - in! :floorlaugh:

I have no problem with what anyone thinks about the Anthony's although I do sometimes wonder why people stay in the same emotional spot for so long. But - it is not that I am expecting forgiveness or sympathy - I don't believe I'm at that level myself yet.

I seek understanding and for that I need more information because I'm not sure I do understand. But that is just me - that makes me no better or no worse than anyone else.

What I was talking about was the way or manner this hatred of the Anthony's is expressed. If we are criticizing someone like CA, or GA, the fact that we are "right" doesn't mean we have to sink the the level of the Jerry Springer show to show our dislike or disapproval does it?
I'm not asking anyone to show sympathy or forgiveness and I'm not scolding anyone - I'm asking if we could "lift the level" of our disapproval is all. It's just me but I find name calling really upsetting...especially when it goes on and on.

greening by me. This is also how I feel. Now, my dog heard I was heading outside and he wants to go with so he can sniff stuff. we're off.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Agree with everything except the part BBM.

Every single human being on the planet has made a choice they would be ashamed of at some point -- with the exception of sociopaths who feel no shame, ever. By the standard given in the quoted post, the rule would logically follow that no one should express his/her opinion of outrage in regard to the actions of another person.

And yet we have:

• The tragic death of Caylee,
• The inexplicable and shameful behavior of her family,
• The chicanery and greed employed by Caylee's own family and Casey's defense team,
• The lies upon lies which wasted the resources of others,
• The willingness to cause/allow many, many innocent people to suffer needlessly, and
• The terrible injustice which prevailed in the end,
• All magnified by the sense that Caylee's killer was protected by the very people who should have fought the strongest for justice.

These factors are all egregiously distasteful to many people, here and everywhere. They are shocking and disturbing, and clearly rise far above the level of typical 'shameful' mistakes on the part of the people observing and commenting. And for some of us, the behavior of the A's, vis-a-vis Caylee the helpless child victim, is very, very hard to get past.

IMO the upset and outrage is a natural reaction, unrelated to a person's own awareness of his/her own faults, and not in itself a fault to be shamed by others. Posters at WS are a family, and like all families, they will not always see eye to eye on everything. That's to be expected and tolerated within TOS, IMO.

Wowee.. Great post