Sidebar Discussion #12

[zippitydoda]

Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS

Judge rules for Zenaida Gonzalez, says #CaseyAnthony must reveal if her parents gave her money. But info will be confidential until trial.

Jeff Weiner‏@JeffWeinerOS

More complicated ruling on #CaseyAnthony's video/audio diaries. Judge likely to review those for 5th amendment issues before ZG gets them.

 

[zippitydoda]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ida-gonzalez-hearing-20120828,0,4138595.story

p.s. I love the karma I saw at this link because there is a picture of CM in the left banner and under his photo is this content:

Casey Anthony: Celebration, lewd gestures follow verdict

It will follow him forever.....

 

[mac66]

I read that the hearing on C.A.'s finances was scheduled for 8:30 A.M., Eastern time. I read this too late to watch it, unfortunately.

 

[logicalgirl]

Oh gosh, now I'm confused really bad LG. If the number goes up it's bad cuz it's selling more?

A high number means low sales - it's dropped in rank. A low number means lots of sales and a higher rank. :floorlaugh: So 16,000 is low, and 100 is high. Sort of the opposite of a bank account...

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I've been on a "mission of mercy" for a week, entertaining my BFF after her mom's funeral. We've traveled and visited some favorite places for the past week. It's been a fun time for the most part and her stress level after a long ordeal of dealing with her situation with her mom.

I have so missed this thread and have a feeling I'll never quite catch up, considering I'm 2 weeks behind on the Peterson trial!

The good news for the moment is the door-stop has sunken again...

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #20,152 in Books

 

[lisalei321]

Completely OT, but ya'll now have me reading Stephen Kings book...

Back OT...

Even though I have JA's book on my kindle, I just ordered the paperback

 

[logicalgirl]

Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS

Judge rules for Zenaida Gonzalez, says #CaseyAnthony must reveal if her parents gave her money. But info will be confidential until trial.

Jeff Weiner‏@JeffWeinerOS

More complicated ruling on #CaseyAnthony's video/audio diaries. Judge likely to review those for 5th amendment issues before ZG gets them.

Hmmm - I wonder if there is any way we will have it leaked.....if the defense was objecting, can we then assume it is true that she received monies from the defunct foundation?....:waitasec:

Prolly kind of a silly question I am asking.....

 

[amyg_momtothree]

Legal question: If it is found that her parents funneled her money from the charitiy funds can they be prosecuted in anyway for that?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Hmmm - I wonder if there is any way we will have it leaked.....if the defense was objecting, can we then assume it is true that she received monies from the defunct foundation?....:waitasec:

Prolly kind of a silly question I am asking.....

She obviously has received money from the 'foundation' - courtesy of Dr Phil she is living a life of ease - or they would not object...:maddening:

 

[mac66]

In Session will replay the C.A. hearing at 2.m. And Jean- I forget her last name will comment on the hearing around 11:30 A.M. on IS.

 

[wonders]

A high number means low sales - it's dropped in rank. A low number means lots of sales and a higher rank. :floorlaugh: So 16,000 is low, and 100 is high. Sort of the opposite of a bank account...

Well that's what I thought. Yesterday morning it was at 20,000 and then in the evening it was 16,000. This morning CarolinaMoon brought over 20,152. How does it change so quickly?

 

[logicalgirl]

Well that's what I thought. Yesterday morning it was at 20,000 and then in the evening it was 16,000. This morning CarolinaMoon brought over 20,152. How does it change so quickly?

If you go to novelrank.com insert jose baez into the author and click update chart for the week - you can see the book "sells" a pattern of 4, 5 or six books a day. Surprisingly, six books can move the numbers from 22K to 12K - I have no idea why. His numbers for August are far less than half of what they were last month.

As new books come into the market it looks like it is harder and harder to keep the numbers up over 10,000.

 

[wonders]

Legal question: If it is found that her parents funneled her money from the charitiy funds can they be prosecuted in anyway for that?

That's a good question for AZLawyer amyg. Maybe charges for a fraudulent charity. Then I would think the IRS would want their cut as well.
I hope that she has to tell about all monies she has collected no matter where it came from.

 

[watcher9]

When the charity was dissolved, Lippman said the remaining $100,000 had been distributed to three other charities. Not knowing the exact amount of Dr Phil's donation plus the amount collected by generous donors, how is anyone going to know how much money was ever in that one fund, much less where it went? Money could have been donated to funds offshore and then come back to the A's or attorneys as salary or expenses. If they gave FCA any money, it probably would have been in cash so there would be no trail of it. Who's to know for sure?

 

[NavySubMom]

She obviously has received money from the 'foundation' - courtesy of Dr Phil she is living a life of ease - or they would not object...:maddening:

First, can't believe J. Munyon actually ruled from the bench on something!:woohoo:

Second, it is pretty obvious to us that FCA definitely benefited from that Frauda..... errr, sorry Foundation $$ in some way. But won't they have been smart enough to have covered their tracks, meaning Lippmann since he was in on all of this as an Officer or something? I hope not, but I wonder how far Morgan can take his digging and questions on this. it would be AWESOME if the Foundation was exposed for having given $$ directly/indirectly to FCA!!!! :rocker:

For example, if the "donation" to the Church FCA supposedly stayed at was really from the Frauda..... errr, sorry Foundation, that $$ was not paid DIRECTLY to FCA, so will something like that count?

or if, for example, that PI McKenna who she was supposedly staying with at some point, was charging for "security" of some type in return for her stay, as a front for paying her room/board/food/clothing, etc., and McKenna then "funneled" the money, i.e. CASH to FCA, would that count, since the $$ wasn't given DIRECTLY to FCA?

What if FCA just says "no, I did not receive any $$ directly from my parents' Frauda....., errr, sorry, Foundation." Can Morgan then pursue it? cause we know she will lie.

I am EXTREMELY interested in seeing how this will all play out, I like to read the actual Motion for the hearing today (if there was one), and the actual Ruling to see what will all be allowed.

Will they be able to subpoena peoples' financial records????

Lippman re: the Frauda....., errr. sorry, Foundation?

dr. Phil for the exact $$ trail of his *cough cough, excuse me* Tax-Free Charitable Donation and exactly how it was deposted into to the Frauda...., err, sorry, Foundation? ask for a detailed account of Frauda...., errr, sorry Foundation, Foundations 1, 2 and 3 to see if money was moved from one to the other?

I am hopeful, but with FCA and her luck, I have a feeling she/her attys. will somehow finagle their way out of this. :banghead:

 

[KarmaGet'em]

Speaking of fraud money, Dr. Phil is at it again.
‘Dr. Phil’ to offer George Zimmerman episode
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/08/dr-phil-to-offer-george-zimmerman-episode.html

 

[logicalgirl]

First, can't believe J. Munyon actually ruled from the bench on something!:woohoo:

Second, it is pretty obvious to us that FCA definitely benefited from that Frauda..... errr, sorry Foundation $$ in some way. But won't they have been smart enough to have covered their tracks, meaning Lippmann since he was in on all of this as an Officer or something? I hope not, but I wonder how far Morgan can take his digging and questions on this. it would be AWESOME if the Foundation was exposed for having given $$ directly/indirectly to FCA!!!! :rocker:

For example, if the "donation" to the Church FCA supposedly stayed at was really from the Frauda..... errr, sorry Foundation, that $$ was not paid DIRECTLY to FCA, so will something like that count?

or if, for example, that PI McKenna who she was supposedly staying with at some point, was charging for "security" of some type in return for her stay, as a front for paying her room/board/food/clothing, etc., and McKenna then "funneled" the money, i.e. CASH to FCA, would that count, since the $$ wasn't given DIRECTLY to FCA?

What if FCA just says "no, I did not receive any $$ directly from my parents' Frauda....., errr, sorry, Foundation." Can Morgan then pursue it? cause we know she will lie.

I am EXTREMELY interested in seeing how this will all play out, I like to read the actual Motion for the hearing today (if there was one), and the actual Ruling to see what will all be allowed.

Will they be able to subpoena peoples' financial records????

Lippman re: the Frauda....., errr. sorry, Foundation?

dr. Phil for the exact $$ trail of his *cough cough, excuse me* Tax-Free Charitable Donation and exactly how it was deposted into to the Frauda...., err, sorry, Foundation? ask for a detailed account of Frauda...., errr, sorry Foundation, Foundations 1, 2 and 3 to see if money was moved from one to the other?

I am hopeful, but with FCA and her luck, I have a feeling she/her attys. will somehow finagle their way out of this. :banghead:

I agree with everything you said except wouldn't FCA via her lawyers have to make some kind of statement as to how she supported herself for the last year? I suspect they want the videos because this is where she says she has a new computer and I believe a new camera all her "own". I don't think the court would accept that she has been living on someone's "charity" for a whole year, in numerous places. And i wonder if the preacher's wife is ticked off enough to make a statement about where their charitable gift to recarpet and buy new school computers came from? I don't think the IRS would accept a statement that she has had zero $$. Who did TMZ pay for the "videos" posted online? There seems to be a number of sources to track down. :waitasec:

So no one sold her anything at a grocery store or delivered fast food for a whole year? Even someone living on the streets pushing a cart manages to have some money.

 

[KarmaGet'em]

here's a video interview of ZGs attorney (John Dill and with Matt Morgan hanging in the background):

http://www.telly.com/RRJUG?fromtwitvid=1

scroll down that page for more videos...

 

[NavySubMom]

I agree with everything you said except wouldn't FCA via her lawyers have to make some kind of statement as to how she supported herself for the last year? I suspect they want the videos because this is where she says she has a new computer and I believe a new camera all her "own". I don't think the court would accept that she has been living on someone's "charity" for a whole year, in numerous places. And i wonder if the preacher's wife is ticked off enough to make a statement about where their charitable gift to recarpet and buy new school computers came from? I don't think the IRS would accept a statement that she has had zero $$. Who did TMZ pay for the "videos" posted online? There seems to be a number of sources to track down. :waitasec:

So no one sold her anything at a grocery store or delivered fast food for a whole year? Even someone living on the streets pushing a cart manages to have some money.

All perfect questions, I am asking myself these also.

But I do know she has supporters who send her money, now, wondering exactly how much, but it could be a few thousand or so total?? Like $2,000-$3000 over these many months. And you can receive so much $$ in "gifts" before you have to report it to the IRS. These supporter people do exist.

I just wonder if they can only ask if FCA received $$ DIRECTLY from CA/GA/Foundation. Or does an "indirect donation", for example as you mention that church, that didn't go directly to FCA, but was a "quid pro quo" kind of deal (if it happened), i.e.,

"Here Church, have a nice donation of $30,000", Quid Pro Quo - Please feed and house FCA for 6 months and take care of all of her needs", or whatever.......

same with whoever else she stayed with, "Here Security Firm PI People housing/feeding/clothing FCA, we will pay you for her keeping her safe from all of the death threats, so here is $15,000," Quid Pro Quo - Please feed and house FCA for 8 months and take care of all of her needs."

Or, does anyone who has housed FCA really belong to some other charity/church/, et c., where money was again given in the GUISE of a donation????

Since this was not $$ DIRECTLY paid to FCA, or even given for a REASON directly for FCA, like "donation to church", people donate to churches all the time, or like "security", not directly TO FCA.

Even though we would KNOW $$ given like that IS for FCA, the LEGAL meaning might not suffice for this purpose. Smart people who are involved in these kinds of things HIDE $$ all the time. I'm just hoping they AREN"T as smart as they THINK THEY ARE :rocker: lease:

Anyway, that is why I hope we can read the actual Ruling, I want to see EXACTLY what kinds of records they can request/subpoena and from whom.

or, conversely, if FCA just says "no", I have not received $$ directly from the Foundation, is that the end of the story????

Will be very very interesting!!!!! :woohoo:

 

[logicalgirl]

here's a video interview of ZGs attorney (John Dill and with Matt Morgan hanging in the background):

http://www.telly.com/RRJUG?fromtwitvid=1

scroll down that page for more videos...

Interesting! Thank You!