Sidebar Discussion #9

[ZsaZsa]

I didn't see anything listed for after July 9 except the July 16 People magazine, apparently there is an article, did you see anything more?

They certainly don't have his book listed on their front page, had to go in a few screens to dig, and them I went to Press information tab for what I saw? did you see any book signings, I did not, maybe I was on the wrong page there? Thanks!

Yes, that's the list - I hadn't realized it ended at July 16th- I guess his moment in the sun is almost over :woohoo: wonder how many garage sales he will have to offload the rest of his books...

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Anybody remember all the lawyers that were on the defense at one point??

We know of:

Jose Baez
Cheney Mason
Dorthy Clay-Sims
Ann Finnell
Andrea Lyon (without an S :floorlaugh
Linda Kenny-Baden
Tom (forgot his last name?)

I know there were more??? Help!!

Here's my list. I could be missing a civil attorney or two. Anyone else have some more to add to the list???

Jose Baez
Linda Kenney-Baden
Ann Finnel
Jose Luis Garcia (worked for Baez, he's the one Casey had a crush on)
Charles Greene (current civil attorney)
Jonathan Kasen (former civil attorney)
Terrence Lenamon (first death penalty attorney)
Andrea Lyon (second death penalty attorney)
Todd Macaluso (left team when suspended from practice in CA)
Cheney Mason
Dorothy Clay-Simms

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

The thing I want to know, which would have probably shed alot of light to the jurors was where was she all day, everyday???? She gets up in the morning and leaves and comes back sometimes late at night. She has a cell phone bill thats atrocious and that she pulled the card out of and apparently lost. What exactly was on that phone she felt the need to get rid of? Why 2 phones? Prostitute? Drug dealer? Are these the people she exposed Caylee to? Is this where the chlroform comes in, is this where Caylee gets in the way of KC having fun and making money?

Also someone posted about the smell in the car. Apparently, Baez brought it to Dr. LEE I think his name was and he told him it could be rotten food....moron....that's what Cindy wanted to believe, she knew as a nurse what it was and so did george

One of my fav mis-speaks by Cindy at the 45 sec mark:

http://youtu.be/FxcVQGlr_0g?t=45s

 

[ZsaZsa]

Here's my list. I could be missing a civil attorney or two. Anyone else have some more to add to the list???

Jose Baez
Linda Kenney-Baden
Ann Finnel
Jose Luis Garcia (worked for Baez, he's the one Casey had a crush on)
Charles Greene (current civil attorney)
Jonathan Kasen (former civil attorney)
Terrence Lenamon (first death penalty attorney)
Andrea Lyon (second death penalty attorney)
Todd Macaluso (left team when suspended from practice in CA)
Cheney Mason
Dorothy Clay-Simms

Elizabeth Frye.

 

[ButForFortune]

I got a kick out of one of the comments on Amazon re Jose's appearance on the View and his comparison of FCA to Jaycee Dugard. Their comment was that Jose proved he wasn't smarter than a fifth grader :floorlaugh:.

Remember, Jaycee was a fifth grader when kidnapped and tried her best to teach her girls with her limited knowledge and skills. She REALLY was a "young girl" as Jose tried to describe FCA on the View.

(I'm not laughing about Jaycee - what a wonderful, strong, resilient child, then woman she became.)

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I got a kick out of one of the comments on Amazon re Jose's appearance on the View and his comparison of FCA to Jaycee Dugard. Their comment was that Jose proved he wasn't smarter than a fifth grader :floorlaugh:.

Remember, Jaycee was a fifth grader when kidnapped and tried her best to teach her girls with her limited knowledge and skills. She REALLY was a "young girl" as Jose tried to describe FCA on the View.

(I'm not laughing about Jaycee - what a wonderful, strong, resilient child, then woman she became.)

Jaycee loved and nurtured her girls. She learned to be a good mother by watching tv, her only source of information. Both are alive, well, and much loved.

Casey obviously watched the wrong tv and read the wrong books.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

JB's publisher, BenBella books has a list of his appearances on their website...

I searched all over the site and couldn't find it. Can you a give me a clue how to get to it?

 

[Intermezzo]

Here's the Orlando Sentinel article:-

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...for-check-fraud-casey-anthony-michigan-inmate

She shoots herself in the foot with the admission that she has "no fact" to support her motion.........duh

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...for-check-fraud-casey-anthony-michigan-inmate

"This is the not the first time some idiot has filed some papers," Mason said.

:floorlaugh: Ya don't say?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...for-check-fraud-casey-anthony-michigan-inmate

Can we post links like that???

 

[Intermezzo]

Anybody remember all the lawyers that were on the defense at one point??

We know of:

Jose Baez
Cheney Mason
Dorthy Clay-Sims
Ann Finnell
Andrea Lyon (without an S :floorlaugh
Linda Kenny-Baden
Tom (forgot his last name?)

I know there were more??? Help!!

Macaluso, Lenamon, the young guy that got thwarted in traffic - the name escapes me... Elizabeth Frye.

Here's my list. I could be missing a civil attorney or two. Anyone else have some more to add to the list???

Jose Baez
Linda Kenney-Baden
Ann Finnel
Jose Luis Garcia (worked for Baez, he's the one Casey had a crush on)
Charles Greene (current civil attorney)
Jonathan Kasen (former civil attorney)
Terrence Lenamon (first death penalty attorney)
Andrea Lyon (second death penalty attorney)
Todd Macaluso (left team when suspended from practice in CA)
Cheney Mason
Dorothy Clay-Simms

The Very First Lawyer was a female who was with her during her FIRST court appearance...this is before she hired Baez...could have been a Public Defender..

In 2008 Baez brought on board a lawyer friend from Miami, John Walsh?, to get her $500,00 bail reduced..he was around for 2-3 months, August to October 2008 I think. Soon after T Lennamon joined in order to get the DP off the table.

YA'LL forgot Baez's sidekick...Michelle Medina

In regards to the Civil Case..there was a female civil attorney in between Kasen and Greene..don't remember her name...

 

[kaki]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...for-check-fraud-casey-anthony-michigan-inmate

Can we post links like that???

I hope that isnt something the felon or her supporters cooked up to gain sympathy and get her name in the news.... Seee.... Poor little mistreated felon.

 

[wsreader]

Which one of you sleuths is going to write the book which refutes the cacophonous lies of JB? You could call it: Presumed Guilty - With Good Reason (The real story behind Caylee Anthony's murder, not some crap fed to you by Casey's idiotic attorney who assumes you are as stupid as he is)

I've often wondered when someone would put all the facts in one place. It would be the truth and it would sell. I think not presenting the phone activity the morning Caylee died to the jury was a big miss. Of course, who knows if they'd have bothered to pay it any mind anyway.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...for-check-fraud-casey-anthony-michigan-inmate

"This is the not the first time some idiot has filed some papers," Mason said.

:floorlaugh: Ya don't say?

:silly: Nicely played, Intermezzo!

 

[zoey]

I've often wondered when someone would put all the facts in one place. It would be the truth and it would sell. I think not presenting the phone activity the morning Caylee died to the jury was a big miss. Of course, who knows if they'd have bothered to pay it any mind anyway.

If they didn't see the neglect charge I doubt it.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Hal has another new article up about the View interview

This is what I posted on "The View" Website and I sent ABC an email.

I am so disappointed with ABC & "The View" for yet again pandering to that sad excuse of a person Jose Baez! I think Barbara Waters must have a crush on Jose from the way she fawned over him. Joy B. and Whoopie, Sherri and Elisabeth, all sat there with disgusted looks on their faces. I bet they were told NOT to ask any "Real Questions!" Then the audience was told that they were getting free copies of the book. The truth was told when they DID NOT yell and cheer. I bet many of those "Blood Money From Caylee" books were trashed. Baez, Mason, Casey Anthony and her family all have blood on their hands for the death of that innocent little girl. Rest In Peace...Caylee Marie Anthony!

Dear God..Please Bring Justice For Caylee Marie Anthony!

 

[wonders]

I didn't used to believe this, but after much reflection, some critical thinking, reading some literature and many articles and a book on sociopaths, I COMPLETELY agree with most you have written, not all, but most. From living and dealing with FCA from childhood to 22-23 yrs. when this happened, they absolutely knew what she was capable of. I think after they smelled that car, then once they heard the "kidnapping" story, after a bit, they NEVER believed Caylee was kidnapped, they couldn't. It may have taken a little while to seep in that Caylee was really dead, but they knew very early on, in those first few days. IMO, MOO, etc.

I do think they let her steal and steal and other things because they were absolutely in FEAR of her reaction, they FEARED what she would do to Caylee, I don't think they EVER thought she would kill Caylee, there is too much that I think to explain here, but your post is very much what I now believe. My mind has changed since last summer on this. I agree with you. Living with FCA must have been horrendous, I wonder what ALL she has done over her short life to this family.

and I do think they believe what happens in the family, stays in the family. At least CA does. Now I'm not sure I believe they are happy she is free from jail and walking around, they might really be, I don't know about that they believe they will handle the punishment, I guess they could think since it was their daughter/granddaughter, maybe, but I wonder if they really want to keep worrying about her, maybe they had some peace of mind while she was in jail and enjoyed that, the not worrying, I know I would.

GA, I'm not sure what all I think about him yet.

I'm not blaming the A's for their daughter or what happened, I don't think they had a CLUE how to handle it all, it must have been a nightmare for them having her as a child. I think they have cleaned up and covered up for many many misdeeds. I actually feel sorry for them, I can't imagine having a child who is a sociopath.

I wrote right after the verdict that I thought they were are sorry she is not in jail, then they would not have to worry about her being out in society to wreak her havoc. MANY on here disagreed with me, but I still wonder about that, they HAVE to be worrying about where she will strike next.

IMO, MOO, etc.

I have to respond to this post.

I agree that they knew Caylee was dead after CA found CFCA that night after the tow yard ordeal at least at their core. CA for sure had been in contact with CFCA through out the month that she wasn't staying at the Hopespring house. So if not CFCA dead. WHO? Who was misssing? CAYLEE. I don't think they wanted to believe it but I believe it was slamming them in the face at every turn.

I also believe that they never thought she would be free to wreck more havoc. They certainly got what they wished for didn't they?
I also believe they were happy when she was in jail too.

What I can't exactly figure out is when they knew they could make money off of Caylee's dead body. Maybe the first time they were flown somewhere and treated like royality. I just don't know. But they will forever be looking over their shoulders the rest of their wretched lives as well because if CFCA can figure it out IMO she will try to bump them off as I think that was her first plan anyway.

 

[luvmygarden]

Jose wants us to believe that an "event coodinator" couldn't multi-task! And yes, being on the computer and talking on the phone at the same time is part of my everyday life. Just as it was Casey's! ETA: Although I have a real job!

First off I babysit everyday. I can be on the phone and the computer BUT not very often because a toddler takes your attention 100%. So it is not wise for me to take my eyes off of her for more than a couple minutes.
I will give KC the benefit of the doubt on the phone and computer at the same time but not when she has a toddler to be responsible for. I don't get all her phone calls and length of time on the computer with the responsibility she had with a 2.75 yr old. She was not a good Mom at all and I think she is like the Mom who killed her baby because she was on the computer playing a game. Only KC was trying to ummmmm shall I say date a new guy or whatever you want to call it.
I agree with another poster JB doesn't want someone convicted without evidence. Bring it on JB with George and all the horrible things they say about him. PROVE IT!!!!!!! or shut up.

 

[krkrjx]

I've often wondered when someone would put all the facts in one place. It would be the truth and it would sell. I think not presenting the phone activity the morning Caylee died to the jury was a big miss. Of course, who knows if they'd have bothered to pay it any mind anyway.

I believe the jury just ignored everything the prosecution brought out at trial. They may have glanced at the physical evidence but they never asked to examine any of it during deliberations. Nor did they wish to revisit any of the expert testimony.

IIRC someone in the courtroom reported during trial that the jury seemed to be listening to Baez but seemed not the least bit interested when the prosecutors spoke. I have always felt that if Baez had not admitted in court that Casey is a liar, she would have been found not guilty on the lying charges too. So, no matter what evidence had been provided by the PT at trial it would have been lost on this jury. They ignored the duct tape saying it was not tight across the mouth so it may never have been on the mouth at all, yet they accepted a possible drowning death without one speck of evidence of it.

IMO, had the jury been shown a videotape of Casey actually committing the crime they would have shrugged it off, perhaps claiming it had not been proven exactly what day and time Caylee died so the video could have been shot another day or another time.

It could be that none of the jurors cared. Or it could be that a few cared but were too weak to stand up for what they believed. Or...it could be that not a single one of the jurors is smarter than a 5th grader.

 

[Intermezzo]

I've often wondered when someone would put all the facts in one place. It would be the truth and it would sell. I think not presenting the phone activity the morning Caylee died to the jury was a big miss. Of course, who knows if they'd have bothered to pay it any mind anyway.

bbm
I agree.
Her phone AND computer activity

And I don't know WHY LDB played nice and didn't introduce OCA previous bad behaviour when she was handed the opportunity by the Defense.
The stealing...the Felony Check Fraud .....LDB should have gone for the jugular , Baez did

 

[NavySubMom]

I have to respond to this post.

I agree that they knew Caylee was dead after CA found CFCA that night after the tow yard ordeal at least at their core. CA for sure had been in contact with CFCA through out the month that she wasn't staying at the Hopespring house. So if not CFCA dead. WHO? Who was misssing? CAYLEE. I don't think they wanted to believe it but I believe it was slamming them in the face at every turn.

I also believe that they never thought she would be free to wreck more havoc. They certainly got what they wished for didn't they?
I also believe they were happy when she was in jail too.

What I can't exactly figure out is when they knew they could make money off of Caylee's dead body. Maybe the first time they were flown somewhere and treated like royality. I just don't know. But they will forever be looking over their shoulders the rest of their wretched lives as well because if CFCA can figure it out IMO she will try to bump them off as I think that was her first plan anyway.

I can't imagine being in the position of a missing child/granddchild, so I can't exactly say what I would do/not do, but I do have some sense of it because of the kind of person that I am.

My impression of them seeing this as a $$ maker from reading depos, watching them at the time and the videos, etc., and I don't know exactly when this thought would have occurred to them, but I think they wanted to be like John Walsh and Mark Klass, "Celebrity Grandparents of a Missing Child", from the billboard on the top of the car, the "boat" they got in coordination with KidFinders, their relationship with those folks, etc., I think that was the "dream". I think that is why they started their first "Foundation", to catapult them on their merry way toward missing-child-stardom. to maybe hosting at TV show some day, to be jet-setting around the country for every high-profile missing child while using the donations to their charities, to stay in nice hotels, maybe fly first class, be on the news, to lend them their ear and support, remember when they went to see Jessica Lundford's Father, Mark I think, THAT is what I think they wanted to do. THAT is PART of why a LIVE Caylee could not be found. Their plans went awry when Caylee's little bones were found.

Now, again, were they taken advantage of at a very vulnerable time by the KidFinder people (Milstadts? sp?), were they making bad choices at the time due to their state of mind? I believe that can happen easily to people, who knows where your mind goes at a horrible time like that.

BUT, from what I am have seen and kept seeing until this recent dissolution of their third or fourth "charity", and who knows what we will discover in the months to come if whatever happened to that charity $$ is exposed, I don't think they were being taken advantage of, I think they ENJOYED it immensely, and were very disappointed when they could not continue on that quest of being the next Mark Klass.

and please, I am NOT making light of what Mark Klass or the A's went through, can't imagine, just trying to get my point across here.

IMO, MOO, etc.

eta: I added "part of" above as to why a live Caylee should not be found, the other part was because they were afraid of what evidence might be left to tie back to FCA. IMO, MOO, etc. But of they could keep the lie going that Caylee was "missing", they could continue to be Grandparents of a "missing" child...... and all that went along with that. IMO, MOO, etc.