Sidebar Discussion #9

[com n sense]

Why did we never hear about the "foolproof suffocation" searches in the doc dumps and the trial?

I didn't read the book Pattymarie, but have read bits & pieces of it from here.
Someone said earlier in the book he states HE found the search after the trial. I doubt HE found it & I doubt it was after the trial, but I don't doubt it was there. IMO he was tipped off by KC & knew it was too damning to use at trial.
When doing a search you must put in proper words. The only way the prosecution knew to look up the chloroform search was because the had found such high traces of it in her car, otherwise they would have never found that.
As for this jury, I don't think it would have mattered. They would have blamed GA for it.:banghead:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

My guess is that, because GA swore that Casey left at 12:50pm, the State could not prove that she was home at 1:44pm when the search was done, so they did not bring it up. They could not show GA was wrong or a liar or it would hurt the credibility of his other testimony. Most likely GA was wrong or lied about what time Casey left the house.
:moo:

You know what....this case was one big cluster &*%#

 

[Intermezzo]

jeez, JB bloviating on GR's show re Zimmerman/Drew Petersen cases. has he found a new gig?

during Zimmerman portion GR said JB faced a very hostile judge in FCA case (didn't clarify which judge)

GR: I told you in the beginning, this case is hopeless, why didn’t you take a plea?

GR recalls that he said “OMG!” when verdict announced

again w/ the “over 400 pages long”

JB agrees w/ female guest/prosecutor who says sexual abuse not relevant. “had not intended on introducing it until the State forced our hand by introducing 31 Days” (alrighty then, in which Dreamland would ANY team of prosecutors, anywhere, not have made reference to the 31 Days? what a weak/transparent justification for his dastardly move)

ooooh, Werner Spitz present and “totally insulted” by Dr G’s autopsy. confirms examination of the skull was on Christmas Eve “when people are getting ready for the holiday”

responding to GR re it’s current whereabouts, JB says “Al Capone’s vault”. bellylaugh from GR

Mrs JB “knew better” and “is very secure”, not threatened in the least by rumors of inappropriate relationship. GR: that’s a good thing, because “she’s Cuban”

showing JB/GR photo in book, GR says: they (MSM) always got it wrong, "it's not a yacht, it's a sailboat"

GR: “excellent book, not saying that because of our friendship. #9 on NYT bestseller list”

not as many aaaaands tonight, perhaps working on that, but still so very difficult to watch/hear. smarmy. always w/ the smarmy

Did Baez make fun of , take a jab at Geraldo? Open mouth, put foot in thingy again..:floorlaugh:

Al Capones Vault comment.
Geraldo's fiasco Live TV show "The Mystery of Al Capone's Vault". He did a show with a lot of media hype, they made a big deal about opening the secret vault in the Lexington Hotel in Chicago and there was nothing to be found.

 

[Intermezzo]

BBM - Snipped for space -
If JB did not intend to mention the alleged sexual abuse until the State brought up the 31 days... huh? It was in his opening statement for crying out loud. He fully intended to mention it, it was even relayed to CA before the trial began.

I agree that the alleged sex abuse was not relevant, but It seems like it WAS relevant to the jury. Once that bell was rung, you couldn't unring it - even though JB never showed proof of it.

From DAY 1 (or day 31) Baez and OCA had to come up with some sort of story to explain away the 31 days.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

Baez' life theme ....


http://pinterest.com/pin/59883870015384122/

 

[LambChop]

My guess is that, because GA swore that Casey left at 12:50pm, the State could not prove that she was home at 1:44pm when the search was done, so they did not bring it up. They could not show GA was wrong or a liar or it would hurt the credibility of his other testimony. Most likely GA was wrong or lied about what time Casey left the house.
:moo:

When GA first gave that statement he said the date was June 9th and not the 16th. So if he was wrong about the date he could have been wrong about when he saw her last. He supposedly could remember what Caylee was wearing but could not remember the correct date. Right!!!! jmo

 

[Ricki]

Baez' life theme ....


http://pinterest.com/pin/59883870015384122/

That is pretty much right on the money.

 

[Intermezzo]

I posted on this yesterday I think. He states in the book that had the state not made the 31 days the "crux" of their case, there literally would have been no defense for FCA. If the state had started the case from the time she was arrested up until the time the body had been found, the only thing out there was the ZFG kidnapping story. Then the find of the body around the corner from the house.
BUT, JB says that because so much focus was put on the 31 days as "guilty behavior" they had to find a way to deflect that. Voila, molestation.
But he is crazy as crap, because the time leading up to her arrest is the time frame in which Caylee was MISSING (i.e. dead). He is such an idiot.

BBM
Agreed.

OCA made the 31 days of not reporting her daughter missing or dead an issue.

OCA went on with her life and as LDB stated in court.."Who's life was better without Caylee around?"...the simple and honest answer was Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony..

 

[peedoffinny]

I have heard a couple of times about Baez stating in his book that the duct tape was probably used to secure the plastic bags containing Caylee's body... just like they buried their dogs. To anyone who has read the book, is this true and if so can you post that paragraph? I just can't bring myself to read the book in any form, for any price.

I'm still looking, but I found this:

"Once we went to trial, my method of attack had one focus. I was going to show the jury that only one reasonable conclusion could be reached about the duct tape found near Caylee’s remains. Using the photos and evidence at the crime scene, I would show it was a staged crime scene."

Golenbock, Peter; Baez, Jose (2012-07-03). Presumed Guilty (Kindle Locations 3888-3890). Perseus Books Group. Kindle Edition.

 

[Intermezzo]

I do not understand how anyone can say this is a great book, an excellent book??? I only read the first two chapters, I thought it was horribly written! It was very hard to read. I would rather listen to my three year old Great granddaughter tell me a stoy of her day then read this book! I'm sure we have all listened to a young child tell stories, I enjoy listening to a story told by a very young child, they're are funny, they're excited, very sweet! But this book written by a grown man, a professional???? Horrible read! I think anyway!!

BMM
A good question would be " A Professional in what?"
It is written by a (respected???) sport journalist author and a rookie lawyer who's claim to fame is 1 murder trial with an acquittal , who filed Motion after Motion that were...let's just say...Lacking.

:twocents:

 

[Intermezzo]

My guess is that, because GA swore that Casey left at 12:50pm, the State could not prove that she was home at 1:44pm when the search was done, so they did not bring it up. They could not show GA was wrong or a liar or it would hurt the credibility of his other testimony. Most likely GA was wrong or lied about what time Casey left the house.
:moo:

I agree with you.

 

[kaki]

This is an interesting article on book ranking that we are seeing at amazon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/business/media/06rank.html?_r=3

 

[TotallyObsessed]

BBM
Agreed.

OCA made the 31 days of not reporting her daughter missing or dead an issue.

OCA went on with her life and as LDB stated in court.."Who's life was better without Caylee around?"...the simple and honest answer was Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony..

Oh I know. You don't have to convince me! Just saying what JB spewed in his book.

He also says LDB made a big mistake with the jury by going through the 31 days asking "Where is Caylee" for each day.....that it didn't answer that question for the jurors that she posed.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I can promise JB would spouting different lies if the verdict had been the same and the
P12Pinheads had not handed him a pile of steaming poo on a platter.

 

[wonders]

I have heard a couple of times about Baez stating in his book that the duct tape was probably used to secure the plastic bags containing Caylee's body... just like they buried their dogs. To anyone who has read the book, is this true and if so can you post that paragraph? I just can't bring myself to read the book in any form, for any price.

Here's the thing coco puff. if it is written like that it is a BIG FAT LIE. That duct tape was on Caylee's skull holding her mandible in place and had her matted hair attached to it as well. He's a disgusting IDIOT.

 

[coco puff]

Here's the thing coco puff. if it is written like that it is a BIG FAT LIE. That duct tape was on Caylee's skull holding her mandible in place and had her matted hair attached to it as well. He's a disgusting IDIOT.

WEll stated my dear Wonders. THe Mandible is the clincher. How does anyone buy that theory? Even IF you ignore that part of the equation, If you apply even CHEAP duct tape to plasic, you can not get it off. It will not stick to anything else. I thought JB was saying that the tape migrated from the plastic bag to become attached to Caylee's hair. There are so many things wrong with his conclusions.

 

[coco puff]

I'm still looking, but I found this:

"Once we went to trial, my method of attack had one focus. I was going to show the jury that only one reasonable conclusion could be reached about the duct tape found near Caylee’s remains. Using the photos and evidence at the crime scene, I would show it was a staged crime scene."

Golenbock, Peter; Baez, Jose (2012-07-03). Presumed Guilty (Kindle Locations 3888-3890). Perseus Books Group. Kindle Edition.

He really preys on the weak minded, doesn't he?

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

at one point in the book he talks about how they buried the dogs.. and how it was george that was in charge of that.... and to him that i proof that george hid the body in the woods

 

[logicalgirl]

While poking around as I looked at stats this morning, I noticed one of the sites recommended ask.com as a referral site for more information.

So of course I had to go and have a look. While I haven't picked it apart for specifics, I found it a pretty fair summary of the bare facts of the case, for a very quick referral.

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Death_of_Caylee_Anthony

:truce: if I am in "error" - remember I just cruised through it.

 

[wonders]

WEll stated my dear Wonders. THe Mandible is the clincher. How does anyone buy that theory? Even IF you ignore that part of the equation, If you apply even CHEAP duct tape to plasic, you can not get it off. It will not stick to anything else. I thought JB was saying that the tape migrated from the plastic bag to become attached to Caylee's hair. There are so many things wrong with his conclusions.

Exactly coco puff. I think he was trying to imply that but we know differently from reading the doc's. I will go futher and say that the piece of duct tape that was found near Caylee's remains was probably used to bind her hands.